Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-14 Thread J. L. Trantham
, June 14, 2013 10:55 AM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief... > > Joe, > > All of the SkyScan clocks I know of have failed. I have two of them > that no longer work. However, I have two made by Junghan's that seem to be fin

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-14 Thread Bob Camp
To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief... > > Joe, > > All of the SkyScan clocks I know of have failed. I have two of them that no > longer work. However, I have two made by Junghan's that seem to be fine. > Take a look at www.j

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-14 Thread J. L. Trantham
...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Burt I. Weiner Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 10:55 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief... Joe, All of the SkyScan clocks I know of have failed. I have two of them that no longer work. However, I have

[time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-14 Thread Burt I. Weiner
Joe, All of the SkyScan clocks I know of have failed. I have two of them that no longer work. However, I have two made by Junghan's that seem to be fine. Take a look at www.junghansUSA.com Burt Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock) Wel

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock)

2013-06-14 Thread paul swed
time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Charles P. Steinmetz > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:03 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock) > > Joe wrote: > > >In a sligh

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock)

2013-06-14 Thread J. L. Trantham
@febo.com] On Behalf Of Charles P. Steinmetz Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:03 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock) Joe wrote: >In a slightly different direction, are there any commercially ava

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
> I thought the Junghans Mega clock used DCF-77 rather than WWVB? > > Regards, > David Partridge There are a number of different models of Junghans Mega clocks, from desk clocks to wristwatches. The ones sold for the USA market receive WWVB. /tvb __

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-14 Thread EWKehren
To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief... I have four 15 year old Junghans Mega clocks through out the house. Ten days ago I noticed one of them dead. Battery, and by the look of the battery dead at least a month. I inserted a new battery and it did

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-14 Thread David C. Partridge
] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief... I have four 15 year old Junghans Mega clocks through out the house. Ten days ago I noticed one of them dead. Battery, and by the look of the battery dead at least a month. I inserted a new battery and it did set. I did not watch it but today I went with one of them

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock)

2013-06-13 Thread J. L. Trantham
Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock) On 6/13/2013 9:02 AM, J. L. Trantham wrote: > However, as a 'modern art' piece, I might have a chance. :^) > > Joe > > Like this? http://www.rfca

[time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-13 Thread Burt I. Weiner
Answering my own question... I happen to remember a Junghans "Atomic Clock" that is in one of my equipment case. I dug in and pulled it out and discovered much to my glee, that it was set to the correct time and the day counter since it was last set was at zero. So apparently it's still wo

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock)

2013-06-13 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Joe wrote: In a slightly different direction, are there any commercially available 'PSK Compliant Atomic Clocks' out there for those of us used to looking at the 'correct time'? Also, what, exactly, was the advantage of changing modulation formats? That 'killed' all the existing 'Atomic Clocks

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-13 Thread paul swed
Burt thats easy. The secret wwvb society of clock makers. I can assure you the new silicon is $ XXK. But then perhaps some can afford that. There is a company that does have the software and IP and its only one company they have what ever the market is. Locked in. The funny thing is who ever they a

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-13 Thread paul swed
Could be. If those are the am detector type clocks they will work. The ones I have do. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > I have four 15 year old Junghans Mega clocks through out the house. Ten > days ago I noticed one of them dead. Battery, and by the look of the > battery > dead at lea

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock)

2013-06-13 Thread paul swed
Sorry thats a bit much. It does look like a rats nest. Colors good. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Rex wrote: > On 6/13/2013 9:02 AM, J. L. Trantham wrote: > >> However, as a 'modern art' piece, I might have a chance. :^) >> >> Joe >> >> >> > Like this? > > http://www.rfcafe.com/**references/

[time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-13 Thread Burt I. Weiner
Well, at 12:00 Noon I watched to see what would happen (I wonder if the 12:00 Noon is pacific or elsewhere?) The problem continued. So apparently the twice a day legacy time signal is, as Paul said, no more. Checking around home we have several "atomic clocks". Based on my GPS clock time, t

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-13 Thread EWKehren
I have four 15 year old Junghans Mega clocks through out the house. Ten days ago I noticed one of them dead. Battery, and by the look of the battery dead at least a month. I inserted a new battery and it did set. I did not watch it but today I went with one of them through the house and all a

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock)

2013-06-13 Thread Rex
On 6/13/2013 9:02 AM, J. L. Trantham wrote: However, as a 'modern art' piece, I might have a chance. :^) Joe Like this? http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/images/Bob%20Pease%20Breadboard.jpg Hmm, maybe not. ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-13 Thread paul swed
Burt what you mention was indeed correct. But that non psk time was stopped about a month ago. Its pure PSK now as far as I know On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Burt I. Weiner wrote: > Paul, > > Thanks for the information. Late last night I did a search and found out > about the "d-pskr-r" - a

[time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-13 Thread Burt I. Weiner
Paul, Thanks for the information. Late last night I did a search and found out about the "d-pskr-r" - an appropriate name, indeed. I gather there is no final design that says, "Here, build this and it'll work". I have a malady that I suspect is common in this group; I hate to throw anything a

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock)

2013-06-13 Thread paul swed
f paul swed > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:37 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock) > > Joe > Thats really a silly statement. The issue is this, we tech types put things > in

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock)

2013-06-13 Thread J. L. Trantham
^) Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:37 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock) Joe

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock)

2013-06-13 Thread paul swed
probably could not make it look presentable to my wife sitting on a shelf. > > Thanks. > > Joe > > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of paul swed > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:34 AM > To: Discussion

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock)

2013-06-13 Thread J. L. Trantham
alf Of paul swed Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:34 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief... Burt search time nuts its all there. Its not a kit by any means. Spectracom did a very good job. To good, though in reality th

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-13 Thread paul swed
Burt search time nuts its all there. Its not a kit by any means. Spectracom did a very good job. To good, though in reality they simply reused the phase tracking rcvr from other units. Essentially the system locks to the stable carrier creating a local replica and then removes the carrier recoverin

[time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-12 Thread Burt I. Weiner
Paul, U... What a revolting development this is. My 9150-52054 have a smaller readout out that I can't see without climbing up on my bench, so I suppose I will no longer know what time it is. I've never really had to delve into the 8170 so I wasn't up to speed on how they derived the da

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-12 Thread paul swed
Burt One other tidbit the phase mod will exactly cause what you see. Spectracom used phase tracking to demodulate the AM time signal. Thats why its nuts. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 5:49 PM, paul swed wrote: > Burt > There is nothing wrong with your 8170. WWVB no longer allows it to work > correctl

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-12 Thread paul swed
Burt There is nothing wrong with your 8170. WWVB no longer allows it to work correctly because of the phase modulation. They went to all psk about 1 month ago. They had been reverting back twice a day for things like the 8170. So the ole 8170 is dead. You need to build something like the d-psk-r to

[time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-12 Thread Burt I. Weiner
My good old Spectracom 8170 is not setting time. I don't use it for frequency, just as a clock for my Hazetorium. I live about 20 minutes north of downtown Los Angles in Glendale. The antenna I'm using is the Ferrite Rod loop in PVC that came with the 8170. It's located on my back porch jus