Re: Topband: DX Window

2013-12-09 Thread Roger Parsons
Ashton Lee wrote: "The issue I believe is that many people’s 160 antennas are limited in frequency breadth. There is really just one SSB contest." Many 80m antennas will not cover both the CW and phone parts of that band, and people manage quite fine there. It is entirely possible to make a

Re: Topband: DX Window

2013-12-09 Thread Ashton Lee
The issue I believe is that many people’s 160 antennas are limited in frequency breadth. There is really just one SSB contest. On Dec 9, 2013, at 7:55 AM, Roger Parsons wrote: > I agree with the remarks made by others regarding the DX window in the ARRL > contest. > > I have been more conce

Re: Topband: DX Window

2013-12-09 Thread Roger Parsons
I agree with the remarks made by others regarding the DX window in the ARRL contest. I have been more concerned for many years about the various phone contests which take place on 160m. During those contests phone operation takes place right down to the bottom of the band, effectively making an

Re: Topband: DX Window

2013-12-08 Thread Ron Feutz
A..Mennn... -Original Message- From: Tom W8JI Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:55 PM To: j...@johnjeanantiqueradio.com ; Topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DX Window If you put a couple dozen strong EU stations CQ'ing in the Window then they can hardly hear th

Re: Topband: DX Window

2013-12-08 Thread n...@juno.com
Hey, I don't even have all of the questions, let alone the answers. Allen - N2KW -- Original Message ------ From: "Tom W8JI" To: Subject: Re: Topband: DX Window Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 >> According to http://www.arrl.org/160-meter "The segment 1.830 to 1

Re: Topband: DX Window

2013-12-08 Thread W2RU - Bud Hippisley
On Dec 8, 2013, at 3:00 06PM, Mark Lunday, WD4ELG, wrote: > Well, we always have the CQ 160 contest in January. Exactly! All contests do not need to be the same. All contests should NOT be the same. All contests do not need to emphasize international DXing -- especially a single-band cont

Re: Topband: DX Window

2013-12-08 Thread Eddy Swynar
It's always refreshing to tune the window & hear the odd DX station, or two, residing therein, & working many of the "...less-than-KW" domestic stations... A welcome change from the usual hurly-burly of strong North American "CQ TEST" machines that otherwise permeate the entire band, wall-to-wal

Re: Topband: DX Window

2013-12-08 Thread Tom W8JI
If you put a couple dozen strong EU stations CQ'ing in the Window then they can hardly hear the USA callers as they are all QRM'ing each other. "Back in the Day" many of the QSO's were done Split due to power limits in many countries as well as frequency allocation in many countries. Then the "W

Re: Topband: DX Window

2013-12-08 Thread John K9UWA
If you put a couple dozen strong EU stations CQ'ing in the Window then they can hardly hear the USA callers as they are all QRM'ing each other. "Back in the Day" many of the QSO's were done Split due to power limits in many countries as well as frequency allocation in many countries. Then the

Re: Topband: DX Window

2013-12-08 Thread Tom W8JI
According to http://www.arrl.org/160-meter "The segment 1.830 to 1.835 should be used for intercontinental QSOs only." I hear a lot of contacts being made between stateside stations. The rule is very easy to understand. When operating between 1830-1835, all stations cannot work other stations o

Re: Topband: DX Window

2013-12-08 Thread Jim Garland
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of W2RU - Bud > Hippisley > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 5:59 AM > To: Mike Waters > Cc: topband > Subject: Re: Topband: DX Window > > Whatever the ARRL intent may have been, the wording of that particul

Re: Topband: DX Window

2013-12-08 Thread Gary Smith
I take it as that window is for DX stations to be heard without having to compete with the wall of sound coming from the states. I had a terrible time pulling some EU & AF stations when they were being clobbered by 20 over CQing signals from stateside. No way they can compete with such a signal

Re: Topband: DX Window

2013-12-08 Thread Bruce
This is the way I thought it supposed to work. Actually early in the contest the DX window had little problem with stateside CQers. I worked some Europeans and other stations. On this side of North America, Europe is easier but if the window is plugged up with strong CQers it sure makes it tough

Re: Topband: DX Window

2013-12-08 Thread W2RU - Bud Hippisley
Whatever the ARRL intent may have been, the wording of that particular rule is defective, and has been for as long as I can remember. Consider: How does one _start_ an "intercontinental QSO"? Usually one party or the other sends "CQ". So to make a QSO in the DX Window someone has to send "CQ

Re: Topband: DX Window

2013-12-08 Thread DGB
No clarification Mike ... you're assumptions are correct. When I got up this a.m., it was filled with U.S. stations. Most of them were well known contesters too. "Sad day in the naborhood!" It's an empty hole to put your signal! 73 de NS9I On 12/7/2013 10:34 PM, Mike Waters wrote: I see a lo

Topband: DX Window

2013-12-07 Thread Mike Waters
I see a lot of USA station, including a couple of regular contributors to this reflector, calling CQ TEST between 1830 and 1835. According to http://www.arrl.org/160-meter "The segment 1.830 to 1.835 should be used for intercontinental QSOs only." I hear a lot of contacts being made between states

Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux

2012-12-07 Thread Herb Schoenbohm
I learned long ago that after winning all bands single and multi and single band phone and CW with a world record on CQ WW (except 40 phone) that these "records" would all disappear in the following years as they all did. Because of the geographic point advantage to stations 300 miles south of

Re: Topband: DX Window

2012-12-07 Thread Bill Cromwell
On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 13:45 -0800, mike l dormann wrote: > i am authorized to comment on this since i have (and a photo of my shack > wall can be produced if requested) a real honest sent by US postage > N0TT QSL card... > > after i get to the back of the yard i have to walk through the wood

Re: Topband: DX Window

2012-12-07 Thread calarth
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphonemike l dormann wrote:i am authorized to comment on this since i have (and a photo of my shack wall can be produced if requested) a real  honest sent by US postage N0TT QSL card... after i get to the back of the yard i have to w

Re: Topband: DX Window

2012-12-07 Thread mike l dormann
i am authorized to comment on this since i have (and a photo of my shack wall can be produced if requested) a real honest sent by US postage N0TT QSL card... after i get to the back of the yard i have to walk through the woods to get to the ham shack. now why would anyone have his computer c

Re: Topband: DX Window

2012-12-07 Thread Bill Cromwell
On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 17:48 +, Missouri Guy wrote: > > With electronic log submission easy to enforce, just invalidate any > > QSOs by W/VE run stations in the window. > > That's not practical to enforce via logs because some participants > may be using radios that have no connection to the

Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux

2012-12-07 Thread mike l dormann
interesting. having spend much of my time in competitive swimming and running, the most i ever won was a"survivor" tee shirt; and what i disserve winning this last ARRL160 a "survivor" tee shirt would be most appropriate mike w7dra On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 12:24:13 -0500 "Tom W8JI" writes: > > I wou

Re: Topband: DX Window

2012-12-07 Thread Shoppa, Tim
e window. That would be unfortunate. Tim N3QE -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Missouri Guy Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 12:49 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DX Window > With electronic log submission easy to e

Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux

2012-12-07 Thread Jim F.
ith my neighbor's outside Christmas lights even though they don't appear to blink on and off.    Merry Christmas Everybody !   jim / W1FMR   --- On Fri, 12/7/12, Shoppa, Tim wrote: From: Shoppa, Tim Subject: Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux To: "Tom W8JI" , "he...@vitel

Re: Topband: DX Window

2012-12-07 Thread Missouri Guy
> With electronic log submission easy to enforce, just invalidate any > QSOs by W/VE run stations in the window. That's not practical to enforce via logs because some participants may be using radios that have no connection to the computer other than the key line. 73 Charlie, N0TT

Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux

2012-12-07 Thread Tom W8JI
I would hazard a guess that few of us enter it with an eye purely on score. If folks only entered contests they would "win" there would only ever be one entrant in each contest, a great loss for us all. I enjoy contest activity even though I've never won any :-) Truer words were never spoken.

Re: Topband: DX Window

2012-12-07 Thread Preston Smith
Here's a partial post I emailed to the Arizona Outlaws Contest Club reflector following the 2011 ARRL 160: "On the positive side the DX window from 1830-1835 was mostly well observed by W/VE and provided a haven for Caribbean, SA and EU stns to establish runs of their own altho no copy on the Euros

Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux

2012-12-07 Thread Shoppa, Tim
> There is a person down here always complaining about contest life being > unfair, and wanting distance based multipliers in other contests. He wanted > support for that idea. > [...] > The end result of distance based scoring or score by distance, power, and > number of QSO's is certainly very

Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux

2012-12-07 Thread Tom W8JI
- Original Message - From: "Herb Schoenbohm" To: Subject: Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux On 12/6/2012 5:23 PM, Tom W8JI wrote: "There isn't any competition in any area can be all things to all people, nor can it be completely fair to everyone everywhere."

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-07 Thread Mike & Coreen Smith
Why don't folks ever name names? (callsigns) Are we such a "PC" group of humans worldwide these days that we should not risk stepping on someones' toes dare we insult them or shame them into obeying the rules ? (gasp!) In this last contest Vermont Station W1SJ (is that WB1GQR?) was on 1830.5 o

Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux

2012-12-07 Thread Clive GM3POI
wrong. And why it has become an almost Completely domestic contest. 73 Clive GM3POI -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: 07 December 2012 00:23 To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux On 12/6/2012 1:

Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux

2012-12-06 Thread Jim Brown
. It might enlighten you. 73 Hardy N7RT - Original Message - From: "John Crovelli" To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 8:19 AM Subject: Topband: DX Window No Long Relevant As a courtesy, last weekend our Multi operation, as a courtesy, refrained from calling CQ in what some still co

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-06 Thread Mark Lunday
I was able to do this repeatedly with my Flex 3000. Only way was with the 100 Hz filters on max sampling, but it worked perfectly (thankfully) and I was able to hear and work KH7X and D44AC with S9+ stateside stations just 500 Hz away Mark WD4ELG ___

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-06 Thread Peter Voelpel
, 7. Dezember 2012 00:12 To: k...@arrl.net; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DX window Art >> A DL wondered how many DX can coexist in 5kHz. Not many. << I think 5 KHz can hold a lot of DX , CW and 100 Hz BW can do miracles, however just one local CQ machine gun calling

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-06 Thread Mike / W5JR
I worked several EU near my noise floor (S 0-1) with my radio set to 150 Hz (Icom 756 ProII) and an omni antenna sandwiched I between stateside Ops that were S9 or stronger. Yes, the really close in ones, less than about 400 Hz, add to the challenge, but anyone more than 500 Hz away is a non-iss

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-06 Thread N4IS
Art >> A DL wondered how many DX can coexist in 5kHz. Not many. << I think 5 KHz can hold a lot of DX , CW and 100 Hz BW can do miracles, however just one local CQ machine gun calling CQ stopping only 2.5 sec can kill the same 5 KHz in the whole state. Regards JC N4IS ___

Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux

2012-12-06 Thread Milt -- N5IA
, December 06, 2012 2:55 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux On 12/6/2012 5:23 PM, Tom W8JI wrote: "It is more like a sweepstakes contest keyed to sections" It seems this was the ratinale Tom but that the ARRL SS allows 160 meters and a single band entry. How

Topband: DX Window

2012-12-06 Thread Ralph Parker
Only in the past 4-5 years have I paid serious attention to 160m, and I thought that the DX Window had faded away and was no longer observed. It looks like I was wrong. I understand its purpose, and I'm perfectly willing to abide by it. Perhaps all that is needed (for many of us) is a reminder tha

Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux

2012-12-06 Thread Herb Schoenbohm
On 12/6/2012 5:23 PM, Tom W8JI wrote: "There isn't any competition in any area can be all things to all people, nor can it be completely fair to everyone everywhere." TBDC comes very close to being just that. You get credit for distances and a nice boost for not being a QRO alligator. I thin

Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux

2012-12-06 Thread Herb Schoenbohm
On 12/6/2012 5:23 PM, Tom W8JI wrote: "It is more like a sweepstakes contest keyed to sections" It seems this was the ratinale Tom but that the ARRL SS allows 160 meters and a single band entry. However there are only a few station I have ever heard calling CQ SS on TB. maybe thats not such

Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux

2012-12-06 Thread Tom W8JI
is disingenuous. First the contest planners have already turned their back on DX. DX was included as an after thought. Why, because 160 meter legend DX-er W0NWX-W0DX-VP2VI was ARRL President and lived during the winters in BVI a scant 7 miles from U.S.VI. It seems to me the ARRL intended it

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-06 Thread k6xt
One sure way to open the DX window to DX is to blacklist us/ve who CQ there. At least temporarily. Which is what I do, just pass them by even when they're 40 over and I need the mult. Tough love. If there's a DX station nearby I'll surely try to work it, perhaps with a judicious VFO offset to m

Re: Topband: DX Window-Redux

2012-12-06 Thread Herb Schoenbohm
I would say with all that is already wrong with the ARRL 160 meter contest which is a beehive of CQ machines, Dx or no DX, window or no window, that for them to make such a statement (this segment should be used for intercontinental QSOs only, as a mere suggestion, not a rule, is disingenuous.

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-06 Thread mike l dormann
well, my radio has a dial on it that goes from 0 to 180 somewhere around 10 i stop hearing cw, which means that is the bottom of the band, and around 180 or so can hear ssb, which to me is the top of the band. don't need much more calabration than that. mike w7dra On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 09:07:16 -0

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-06 Thread John K9UWA
Exactly Correct Peter Put a dozen high powered EU stations in the 5 Khz Window and THEY can't hear any of the US/VE stations called them. John k9uwa > I agree when the discussion is about the ARRL 160m contest only. > But, how many stations outside W/VE can share those 5kHz? > > 73 > Peter, DJ

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-06 Thread Tom W8JI
As Peter has responded, there are two JA windows; 1810-1825 and 1907.7-1912.5 . Until a few years ago the JA hams only had the upper 1907.7-1912.5 allocation. Because the band was segmented in much of the world most international contacts on 160 Meters were done split frequency. From here i

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-06 Thread N4IS
Gary You have a god point, if we don't care they don't mind. I think we cc download the RBN file with all callers on the DX window during the contest, it is available in .csv, easy to filter using excel and send a formal complain to ARRL contest managers, It is not necessary to publish that lis

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-06 Thread Eddy Swynar
On 2012-12-06, at 10:37 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > I stand by my suggestion and I don't see my suggestion as nonsense in > the least. Go here and read section 6.1 > http://www.arrl.org/160-meter - The ARRL who host this contest state > plainly that this segment should be used for intercontinental

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-06 Thread Peter Voelpel
I agree when the discussion is about the ARRL 160m contest only. But, how many stations outside W/VE can share those 5kHz? 73 Peter, DJ7WW -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Gary Smith I stand by my suggestion and I don't see my suggest

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-06 Thread Tree
I think "tradition" for the ARRL has been to only find "DX" stations there CQing. That's why it is in the rules. It is often the first time some of the "little guns" have ever heard DX on the band. >From time to time - I find some USA stations there CQing - and typically they leave after being r

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-06 Thread Tom W8JI
I stand by my suggestion and I don't see my suggestion as nonsense in the least. Go here and read section 6.1 http://www.arrl.org/160-meter - The ARRL who host this contest state plainly that this segment should be used for intercontinental QSOs only, ergo: the DX window. Since US & VE are disreg

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-06 Thread Gary Smith
I stand by my suggestion and I don't see my suggestion as nonsense in the least. Go here and read section 6.1 http://www.arrl.org/160-meter - The ARRL who host this contest state plainly that this segment should be used for intercontinental QSOs only, ergo: the DX window. Since US & VE are dis

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-06 Thread Peter Voelpel
What a nonsense. Do you expect a station calling cq during a contest in the DX window and being called by a non dx station to qsy with that station to a frequency outside the dx window? And how many stations can share the dx window? By the way, I don´t see any frequency marked dx window in the ARRL

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-06 Thread Shoppa, Tim
stations. I strongly suspect comments made on this mailing list and forwarded/read by those stations, helped rectify the situation. Tim N3QE -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bill Cromwell Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:07 AM To: Topb

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-06 Thread Bill Cromwell
Hi Darrell, I have started wading into computer logging and I usually use paper. After the contest I enter the info into the computer but I plan to just have the computer running and do it one QSO at a time. None of my radios have any kind of CAT "feature". I do NOT want my radio to be smarter th

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-05 Thread Gary Smith
It does. Here's me with cabrillo format working herb & he was in the DX window. QSO: 1830 CW 2012-12-01 0323 KA1J 599 VP2V/AA7V 599 VP2-V QSO: 1833 CW 2012-12-01 0339 KA1J 599 KV4FZ 599 VI QSO: 1833 CW 2012-12-01 0342 KA1J 599 OL7M 599 OL Freq 1.833 for Herb KV4FZ Sorry f

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-05 Thread Darrell Bellerive
Being unencumbered by knowledge of contest log reporting and checking perhaps I am missing something. Since virtually all contest stations use automated logging programs and these programs could get the actual transmit frequency directly from the transceiver as the contact is logged, then why

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-05 Thread Bill Cromwell
Hi Milt, It sure helps me. I don't make any bones about new to 160. My antenna and my transmitter have been giving me a lot of grief so I have had only a few QSOs...maybe a couple dozen. I am not a "seasoned professional" on top band. I'm just an amateur. My license even says so (evil grin). So fa

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-05 Thread Milt -- N5IA
From: Bill Cromwell Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 1:21 PM To: Milt -- N5IA Cc: Bill and Liz ; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DX WINDOW On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 11:47 -0700, Milt -- N5IA wrote: All JA stations worked called me on my Run frequencies within the 'JA Window&#x

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-05 Thread Bill Cromwell
On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 21:39 +0100, Peter Voelpel wrote: > 1810-1825 and 1907.7-1912.5 is allocated in Japan (CW only) > > 73 > Peter, DJ7WW Thank you Peter, That's useful information here. I now know how to stay out of the way AND... I know where to look for them. 73, Bill KU8H ___

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-05 Thread Peter Voelpel
1810-1825 and 1907.7-1912.5 is allocated in Japan (CW only) 73 Peter, DJ7WW -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bill Cromwell The JA window? ___ Topband reflector - topband@contesting.com

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-05 Thread Steve HA0DU
Dear TopBanders, My license says CW can be used from 1810 kHz up to the end of the band. However, no Phone modes are allowed below 1840 kHz. I am sure most European licenses are similar. IARU Region 1 bandplan says all modes between 1810 kHz and the upper end of the band - so let's talk ONLY

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-05 Thread Gary Smith
> "Three verifiable complaints and you're out" should be the rule. With > SDR receivers available these days, that shouldn't be too difficult to > police. > > -- > 73 > Ian, G3NRW I'm not so sure I like the 3 strikes policy. My reasoning is lets say some AH wanted for instance, to discredit s

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-05 Thread Bill Cromwell
On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 11:47 -0700, Milt -- N5IA wrote: > > All JA stations worked called me on my Run frequencies within the 'JA > Window'. > > CU all in the SPDC. > > 73 de Milt, N5IA, op at N7GP > The JA window? 73, Bill KU8H ___ Topband refl

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-05 Thread Peter Voelpel
The dx window was useful when only the range 1832-1835kHz was allowed here. Nowadays we can use the whole spectrum starting at 1810kHz with some power limitations above 1850kHz (75W) and higher (10W from 1890). 73 Peter, DJ7WW -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@conte

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-05 Thread Ian Wade G3NRW
___Original Message_ From: Tom W8JI Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 Time: 12:54:35 Without working together, we need the Government to make rules and impose penalties. Tom I'm not sure that Government intervention is a very good idea (it certainly wouldn't be

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-05 Thread Milt -- N5IA
. CU all in the SPDC. 73 de Milt, N5IA, op at N7GP -Original Message- From: Bill and Liz Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 10:29 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: DX WINDOW FWIW, about half of the DX I worked in last weekend's contest was in the 1830-35 "window&

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-05 Thread Tom W8JI
So there is confused information about DX windows and digital windows and callig windows and useless windows. Once upon a time there was something called "gentlemen's agreements" and the "DX window" was part of that. Most of us don't really let the ARRL dictate to us what we will or won't do. So w

Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-05 Thread Bill and Liz
FWIW, about half of the DX I worked in last weekend's contest was in the 1830-35 "window". I run only barefoot, and having some space where there are no big east coast CQ machines certainly helps the SOLP and QRP ops. I realize that many topband contesters have no use for LP or QRP; however, k

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-05 Thread Chortek, Robert L
On Dec 5, 2012, at 8:42 AM, "Bill Cromwell" wrote: > > So what is this DX window? 1825 to 1830 kc? If that's where the DX calls > and transmits then where do W/VE stations transmit in reply? The idea is that W/VE stations do not call CQ in the window, but can respond to a DX station who is c

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-05 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
It is much like billionaires making rules for the middle class and working poor. It's also like those who don't pay income tax deciding how much those who pay income taxes should pay and how those taxes are spent or those who don't own property determining how much those who own property shoul

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-05 Thread Bill Cromwell
So there is confused information about DX windows and digital windows and callig windows and useless windows. Once upon a time there was something called "gentlemen's agreements" and the "DX window" was part of that. Most of us don't really let the ARRL dictate to us what we will or won't do. So we

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-05 Thread Eddy Swynar
On 2012-12-05, at 11:33 AM, Lennart M wrote: > > Well, from a "DX perspective" I do not care much about band differenciation, > we do have equal distance to Far East and the Pacific as to SA, NA east > coast being close by and when 160 opens to NA west coast and KL7/KH6 they > are good enough to

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-05 Thread Lennart M
W8JI said: "I never understood, and never agreed with the "160 committee" abolishing the DX window. I thought it showed people with larger stations on the east coast have lost touch with life with smaller stations in difficult areas. It is much like billionaires making rules for the middle class

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-05 Thread Tom W8JI
...and that loss of the DX window is sadly, dear readers, why you will seldom hear DX stations outside of Europe and North America CQing on 160m in the CQ contests. Bit of a shame really, but that's (so-called) progress. I never understood, and never agreed with the "160 committee" abolishing

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-05 Thread Gary Smith
That is exactly what I did. I bypassed the US/VE stations in there calling CQ. I felt they were being selfish and not part of the fun. Gary KA1J > A way to bring back the DX Window is to not work US stations who call > CQ in the window. Boycott them if you will. > > Dave WX7G > ___

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-05 Thread DAVID CUTHBERT
A way to bring back the DX Window is to not work US stations who call CQ in the window. Boycott them if you will. Dave WX7G ___ Topband reflector - topband@contesting.com

Re: Topband: DX window

2012-12-05 Thread Steve Ireland
...and that loss of the DX window is sadly, dear readers, why you will seldom hear DX stations outside of Europe and North America CQing on 160m in the CQ contests. We 'search and pounce' and the loud Eu and NA superstations who can hold a frequency benefit. For those not blessed with a four-squar

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-01 Thread Jon Zaimes AA1K
So if the League is going to persist with this antiquated rule is someone at HQ writing down the calls of all the violators? Will there be disqualifications? 73/Jon AA1K On 12/1/2012 3:20 PM, Missouri Guy wrote: Carol, N2MM Rule 6.1 for the ARRL 160... "The segment 1.830 to 1.835 should

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-01 Thread Jorge Diez - CX6VM
That´s mean SA-NA also or just NA/SA to EU? 73. Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -Mensaje original- De: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] En nombre de Missouri Guy Enviado el: sábado, 01 de diciembre de 2012 18:21 Para: n...@comcast.net; topband@contesting.com Asunto: Re: Topband: DX

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-01 Thread W2RU - Bud Hippisley
And, pray tell, how does a W or VE solicit "international QSOs" in that segment? IF (and I emphasize the IF) such a rule is desired, wouldn't it be smarter to have it read something along the lines of "Only non-W/VE stations may call CQ in the segment 1.830 to 1.835."? Bud, W2RU On Dec 1, 2012

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-01 Thread Missouri Guy
Carol, N2MM Rule 6.1 for the ARRL 160... "The segment 1.830 to 1.835 should be used for intercontinental QSOs only". Note that it says "should be". IMHO, following the suggestion just makes the contest more fun for everyone. Charlie, N0TT On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 00:54:30 -0500 "Carol Richards"

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-01 Thread Doug Renwick
Sam, remember the opposite can and is true. I called you near the beginning of this contest and you didn't hear me. Doug/VA5DX -Original Message- Spent whole night 2200z-0600z with 49 QSO's in the LOG. Find one moment free frequence to call CQ. 1 call back to me from VE. That's all. Ful

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-01 Thread Tom Haavisto
>From the contest rules: 6.1. The segment 1.830 to 1.835 should be used for intercontinental QSOs only. -- So, while the window might not "officially" exist, one is specifically mentioned in the rules. Tom - VE3CX On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Carol Richards wrote: > Tha

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-01 Thread Ray Benny
All, I agree that there should be a real 160M DX Window. At least we might hear some DX outside of NA/SA. My main reason I operate 160m is to work DX - its very challenging from the West Coast and requires good antennas and operating skills. And, I do realize that the the "ARRL 160M Contest" does

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-01 Thread Saulius Zalnerauskas
I'm feeling good. And lot of optimism for next night :) Result in contest is not very interesting, I need only some states to finish my WAS - 160m. From 5/7/0 area's. W0SD (S.D.) was great s7-8 during few hour's, called many times, but.K0HA (NE) not so strong but some s5-7. Heard him few times.

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-01 Thread Jim F.
Hi Saulius,   I know (almost) exactly how you feel  :-)    73,   jim / W1FMR / QRP.   --- On Sat, 12/1/12, Saulius Zalnerauskas wrote: From: Saulius Zalnerauskas Subject: Re: Topband: DX WINDOW To: "Eddy Swynar" Cc: topband@contesting.com, "Carol Richards" Date: Saturd

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-01 Thread Bill Cromwell
On Sat, 2012-12-01 at 10:20 -0500, Eddy Swynar wrote: > Hi All, > > Obviously this "typo" was a test meant to see if anyone was awake yet...! Hi > Hi > > Of course I MEANT to say 1830- to 1835-KHz---but fat fingers (and a skinny > mind) got in the way. > > Thanks go to Bert for keeping things

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-01 Thread Saulius Zalnerauskas
Spent whole night 2200z-0600z with 49 QSO's in the LOG. Find one moment free frequence to call CQ. 1 call back to me from VE. That's all. Full band 1800 KHz - 1880 kHz full of W/VE station's making QSO's each-other, they are very LOUD, but don't hear EU :( Maybe next night would be much more better

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-01 Thread Eddy Swynar
On 2012-12-01, at 8:39 AM, Eddy Swynar wrote: > > I personally think that the notion of keeping 1825 - 1830-KHz "clean" of NA > stations calling CQ is a good one... > Hi All, Obviously this "typo" was a test meant to see if anyone was awake yet...! Hi Hi Of course I MEANT to say 1830- to

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-01 Thread Eddy Swynar
On 2012-12-01, at 12:54 AM, Carol Richards wrote: > That so called dx window on 160m does not exist...It hasn't existed for many > years. Well FWIW, I personally think that the notion of keeping 1825 - 1830-KHz "clean" of NA stations calling CQ is a good one... We bemoan the fact that this

Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-12-01 Thread Roger Parsons
The DX window (most unfortunately) does not exist for normal operation. It does however exist for the ARRL 160m contest: "6. Miscellaneous: 6.1. The segment 1.830 to 1.835 should be used for intercontinental QSOs only." 73 Roger VE3ZI PS: Sorry, but those needing ONN will have to chase VE3CX. I

Re: Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-11-30 Thread Gary Smith
If it doesn't exist thats because some stateside people stopped using it and the DX didn't. But whatever it is called that doesn't exist, that's where I found all my multipliers except one. Gary KA1J > That so called dx window on 160m does not exist...It hasn't existed > for many years. > >

Topband: DX WINDOW

2012-11-30 Thread Carol Richards
That so called dx window on 160m does not exist...It hasn't existed for many years. Carol ___ Topband reflector - topband@contesting.com

Re: Topband: DX Window

2012-08-31 Thread Tom W8JI
While my humble station & mediocre efforts in the various Topband contests hardly matter much, I try & make it a point to stay off of those "window frequencies", unless I'm responding directly to a DX station that I might hear thereon...>>> I think most contests prohibit or frown upon NA stati

Re: Topband: DX Window

2012-08-31 Thread Eddy Swynar
On 2012-08-31, at 10:12 AM, Hardy Landskov wrote: > This is the reason I don't contest on 160 anymore. No DX window and endless > CQ machines turn the band into just a trashy mess. Hi Guys, While my humble station & mediocre efforts in the various Topband contests hardly matter much, I try &

Re: Topband: DX Window

2012-08-31 Thread Hardy Landskov
This is the reason I don't contest on 160 anymore. No DX window and endless CQ machines turn the band into just a trashy mess. N7RT - Original Message - From: "Tom W8JI" To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:10 PM Subject: Re: Topband: DX Window Out west in fly

Re: Topband: DX Window

2012-08-30 Thread k6xt
And I bet its mostly evident there. As I said, out here many still observe the window, or think it surely should be. 73 Art K6XT~~ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm. ARRL, GMCC, CW OPS, NAQCC On 8/30/2012 7:10 PM, Tom W8JI wrote: Out west in flyover country w

Re: Topband: DX Window

2012-08-30 Thread Tom W8JI
Out west in flyover country we rue the day. Tom is spot on. I too stay out of 30-35 for CQing so my western brethren can potentially hear something. Very unfortunate to have the 30-35 window, which many DX stations use, clobbered by a very few thoughtless W CQ'ers. I didn't realize recognition

Re: Topband: DX Window

2012-08-30 Thread k6xt
Out west in flyover country we rue the day. Tom is spot on. I too stay out of 30-35 for CQing so my western brethren can potentially hear something. Very unfortunate to have the 30-35 window, which many DX stations use, clobbered by a very few thoughtless W CQ'ers. I didn't realize recognition

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