7;)
elif t == 60:
your_label.config(bg='firebrick')
.
.
.
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dow. If you go to the "Keys" tab, you can see (and edit) the key
bindings IDLE uses as well as available pre-configured key binding
styles.
Hopefully I'm answering the question(s) you are really asking and have
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opinion is that it misses the forest for the trees. What I think
> OOP's heart is beating is in the ability to parameterize behavior.)
In response to your aside, do you have a favorite text that teaches
OOP the way you feel it should be taught? And is there a Python-based
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s like a file, but
> can be constructed in memory, use StringIO (or cStringIO).
Isn't option D what Danny was using to make option B? Or are you
saying keep things even simpler?
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st languages (although
> not in python!)
I'll ask you the same question that I asked Danny: Do you have a
favorite text which teaches OOP the way you feel it should be taught?
And if possible, Python-based?
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gram code or test
code. But amongst all the things Danny clarified, he really helped me
see how to do this in the context of writing classes.
But in choosing what approach to use, I had not considered the
possible importance of using real files in some instances, which
if the
"with open ..." context manager is still usable to handle simulated
file closing using this technique?
> So for our own unit tests, now we should be able to say something like this:
>
> ##
> def test_foobar(
tentially
promising, but looks complicated. This leads me to look at
https://docs.python.org/3.4/library/unittest.mock.html, but right now
I am finding this heavy going, and it will probably take me some time
and further research before I feel I am really understand applying
this mock proces
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> Hi,I am very new to Python, but having fun learning.
> I need to have a script read all of the XML files contents that are in a
directory, pull out the contents of an element, in my case , and
list them in an output file. I have this scri
reaking of your own program. Instead, think
> about what happens if someone takes over the machine and starts using
> it as part of a botnet. That is often a purpose of a system
> compromise: the attacker may not personally care about tic-tac-toe,
> but they do care about having r
course for many applications these concerns are probably
inconsequential. I don't think I would be gravely concerned if
someone cracked into my ticktacktoe game deployed to some freebie
site. OTOH, if I was deploying an online payment system, I would be
much more concerne
nail on the head
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> I still would like to do this via a method, but I am currently stuck
> on how to replace ??? with the attribute name I would like to insert:
>
> class Dog(object):
> ...
>
> def add_attribute(self, attribute_
g is to avoid "from M import *", but it is good
to know that this style of import will not capture names of the form
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On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 3:30 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 23Jan2016 01:52, boB Stepp wrote:
>> I guess no matter how new one is to OOP, one nevertheless brings one's
>> preconceptions, however malformed, into the learning process. In my
>> case, one of mine was
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 11:04 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 22Jan2016 22:14, boB Stepp wrote:
[...]
> Consider: this is information you want assicated with a specific object.
> Therefore it really _is_ an arribute of the object so that it can follow it
> around.
>
>>
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 5:49 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 09:42:29PM -0600, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> So I really only have one question: Why not make Python's
>> *traditional* name, "self", mandatory? Why give the programmer this
t is happening
*inside* the class definition.
> It also means that Python doesn't require a magic "undefined" value,
> like Javascript has, or require declarations ahead of time, like static
> languages such as Pascal and C require.
I have come to enjoy this feature of Python as well!
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was given
This was my original point in doing all of this, to see what would
result if I omitted "self". I am pretty sure the error is because the
object instance gets automatically passed to the sigh() method, but by
leaving the "self" parameter out in the method definition
y sleepy!!!")
>>> mycat = Cat('Callie', 7)
>>> mycat.happy_cat()
Zzzz ... pu ...
>>> mycat.whoami()
My name is Callie and I am 7 years old. Now leave me be! I'm very sleepy!!!
So I really only have one question: Why not make Python's
*
this returned object that I could do if I used
"with open..."? Is it iterable? [OK, I confess up front. I am being
lazy here. I *could* create a file and try this out to see what
happens, so I will understand if I get chided (or worse!).]
3) Should I be using relative imports in my
for a data
directory. Yes, files will be read there, but there will be no code
there. Is this correct?
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Alex sent me this off-list. I hope he does not mind me sharing part
of what he wrote on-list!
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Alex Kleider wrote:
> On 2016-01-16 14:39, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>
>>>>> mylist[:0 or None]
>>
>> [100, 200, 300, 400, 500]
>>
&
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 16/01/16 19:35, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> And so on. Until you (and I) can understand why the function produces
>> these outputs with the given values of loc and thing, then we cannot
>> claim we understand what is going
r None])
> ...
> [100]
> [100, 200]
> [100, 200, 300]
> [100, 200, 300, 400]
> [100, 200, 300, 400, 500]
OK, Peter, all was going smoothly in boB-land until you added your
"fix". Adding "or None" has me addled! I tried to clarify things in
the interpreter (I rem
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 1:14 PM, boB Stepp wrote:
>
> While learning I find it very helpful to either use IDLE or invoke the
> Python interpreter in the shell and try these things out. Once I get
> it to work, then I play around with the syntax and deliberately try to
> break
rning I find it very helpful to either use IDLE or invoke the
Python interpreter in the shell and try these things out. Once I get
it to work, then I play around with the syntax and deliberately try to
break things and see what sorts of errors are generated, figure out
the limits of what the syn
ul at work! I'll just copy this class to
my thumb drive and ..." Perhaps for all too easily confused boB
explicit might be better than implicit? Seems I read that somewhere
recently ...
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> On 15Jan2016 23:05, boB Stepp wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> things.insert(-1, 'What the heck?!?')
>>>
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 15Jan2016 22:20, boB Stepp wrote:
>> I always get an empty list, which is actually what I was expecting, so
>> I do not see how s[i:i] can ever equal [x].
>
>
> It isn't an equality test (==), it is an
not because:
>>> things.insert(-1, 'What the heck?!?')
>>> things
[0, 'Hmm...', 3, 'WhackABunny', 6, 'What the heck?!?', '?']
"...at the index..." to me would mean that 'What the he
Pythonic style/preference question: For strictly Python 3 code, is
there any preference for
class MyClass:
pass
versus the more explicit
class MyClass(object):
pass
?
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> Hello list,
>
> I have a function which receives a string and sends it as a body of an
> email.
>
> It is a part of a program which does certain checks on network
> infrastructure. When a check fails I append error message to a
> error_collector lis
37.857713 -122.544543
FILE
c:\python34\lib\antigravity.py
Out of ever growing curiosity I went to the official Python docs site.
Sure enough, no module named "antigravity" is listed.
What else awaits as I explore Python??? I sure hope I don&#
regarding Anaconda?
4) I have only tonight started looking into this. My initial
impression is that updates and new Python package installations are
done in Anaconda with a "conda" command. Does this mean that pip
installations can no longer be done?
TIA!
Happy New Year
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Martin A. Brown wrote:
>
> Hello there boB,
>
> Hey, wait a second! What time zone are you in? You can't have 2016
> resolutions already. Not even the New Zealanders are there yet!
Santa gave me a peek into you know who's time machine
thing with a single .git file at the level of
StudyBooks directory?
Hoping to more effectively use Git in the new year!
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make sure you do that
> first or you will almost certainly have to rewrite from scratch
> (and after most every other upgrade of OS or app thereafter).
> And don't even think of changing your system fonts - ever!
>
I am at the mercy of my IS department re possible upgrades and the
ums()
>>> numStream.next()
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
numStream.next()
AttributeError: 'generator' object has no attribute 'next'
If I instead do this:
>>> next(numStream)
0
>>> next(numStream)
1
>>
On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Oscar Benjamin
wrote:
>
> On 24 Dec 2015 14:55, "boB Stepp" wrote:
[...]
>> I find myself doing the same boring, repetitive tasks by hand, which
>> amounts to copying certain information from one program and putting it
>> i
clicking all things that need to be clicked, etc.? This is mostly a
Windows-based scenario, but if the techniques (if they exist) can be
abstracted to any OS I can find plenty of uses elsewhere as well!
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it is still quite useful even if you are working in Python 3 as, as
far as I can tell, t/Tkinter has not changed substantially in how the
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following:
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Operating system
The code you are running
To trace back you are getting
The trace back will be several lines of references to various programs and
line numbers
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fferences between Python 2 and 3 syntax in some areas.
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Also:
Briefly describe problem 22
Show us what you did to test the program
It would be better to test for integer before doing a numeric comparison
There is no need ever to compare a boolean expression to true or false. All
you need is either if condition or if not condition.
A good short cut for a
a
real benefit here, but, then again, I am learning how to OOP during
this project as well, so I don't have enough knowledge yet to
realistically answer this question.
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On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
> boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 3:18 AM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
>>> boB Stepp wrote:
>> ... I was not in the directory, E:\Projects\mcm. It is m
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
> boB Stepp wrote:
>> And am I misreading the docs at
>> https://docs.python.org/3/library/unittes
On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 3:18 AM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
> boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> In the cold light of morning, I see that in this invocation, the path
>> is wrong. But even if I correct it, I get the same results:
>>
>> e:\Projects\mcm>p
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
> boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Steven D'Aprano
>> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 09:01:50PM -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
>>>
>>>
>
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 09:01:50PM -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>
>> import unittest
>>
>> # import modules to be tested:
>> import mcm.db.manager
>>
>> class ManagerTestCase(unittest.Test
er -v
test_open_db (test.db.test_manager.ManagerTestCase) ... ok
--
Ran 1 test in 0.000s
OK
Obviously I was not expecting this! Why did the test run? I thought
it would not happen without those final t
tually *known* about this, but have not
used the standard library much to this point, and this is the first
time I have tried this *package* structure of a project, so that
aspect is all new to me.
Thanks, Peter!
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-__init__.py
test_mcm_db_mgr.py
--ui/
__init__.py
.gitignore
LICENSE.txt
README.txt
All __init__.py files are currently empty. Alex had asked a question
very similar to this situation, and I thought I had understood the
answer Laura had given, but apparent
ealize that the method I was hoping to start
coding tonight was ill-conceived! ARGH! To bed I now go ... Is TDD
the programmer's version of writer's block? ~(:>)
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 17/08/15 00:52, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>>> sqlite3> .read populate_base_data.sql
>>
>>
>> I am assuming that the .read command would be replaced inside the
>> program by the cursor.executescript() me
bjects; although we can use
> real files, we can find in-memory structures like io.StringIO useful,
> since they leave no residue once the tests are completed.
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 16/08/15 23:29, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> http://www.sqlite.org/download.html
>
>
> You definitely want this.
> You treat it like the >>> prompt in Pyython.
I had just finished installing and testing the in
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 4:03 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 01:18:06AM -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
>> 1) It would seem that I need to install a stand-alone version of
>> SQLite, so that I can create this test db. Either that or write a
>> separate
ser(s) will populate are in agreement? Or am I
over-analyzing here?
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On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 9:10 PM, boB Stepp wrote:
> Right now I am trying to figure out how to arrange my unit test
> file(s). My initial thoughts are to have a single test directory with
> separate subdirectories corresponding to each folder which has source
> code. Is this a go
s probably not its function. And I don't know what set-up needs
setup.py would typically serve. I will have to search for answers to
these.
Does this cover everything I need to be concerned about as far as
project organization so that I do
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 02:24:21PM -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
>> I understand your points, but wonder then what is the intended use for
>> os.path.exists()? That is, in what types of circumstances would it be
>> bo
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 15Aug2015 15:20, Clayton Kirkwood wrote:
>>>
>>> Behalf Of Laura Creighton
>
> [..]
>>>
>>> To: boB Stepp
>>> In a message of Sat, 15 Aug 2015 14:24:21 -0500, boB Stepp writes:
s.path.exists()? That is, in what types of circumstances would it be
both appropriate and safe to use?
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SQL strings will be rejected?
Having seen this example, are there any other security surprises that
I need to avoid by adopting certain coding techniques when I am using
Python with SQLite?
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te the main part of your function?
Also, just before your function returns its result, it could
clear/rewrite the label.
Additionally, tkinter has the ability to change the cursor to an
hourglass. You could handle this analogously to what I already said.
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gether.)
... I have been thinking in terms of only my wife using the software.
If I have the good (or mis-) fortune to create a successful and utile
bit of software, I might find others using the program. So your
points suggest I should look for a more flexible approach that any
potential user will
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Zachary Ware
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> On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:31 PM, boB Stepp wrote:
>> I was looking at an example illustrating composition from the book,
>> "Introducing Python" by Bill Lubanovic on p. 140:
>>
>>>>> class B
ot allowed to have contact with their children, legal guardians
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This duck has a wide orange bill and a long tail.
>>> duck0 = Duck(bill0, tail0)
>>> duck0.about()
This duck has a wide orange bill and a long tail.
>From this I am forced to conclude that composition will only work with
particular instances of objects and not with
Whew, Alan! You've given me quite a lot to mull over. Thank you very
much for the time you've invested in your responses!!
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 6:38 PM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 13/08/15 20:18, boB Stepp wrote:
>
[...]
> Yes, that's a standard problem in any HR type
Beware! Lengthy post!! Sign of a confused boB. ~(:>)
I believe that I understand now all of the things I want my project
(Tentatively named "Montessori Classroom Manager".) to *do*. But I am
currently spinning my wheels on how to implement classes, SQLite, and
the kivy UI, so
t present in the Gmail App. Why it would not be beats me, but unless there
is a hidden setting or gesture I have missed, both by futzing around my actual
iPad as well as searching the 'Net, then it is not available.
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must communicate with programming fora from my iPad. At least you have
demonstrated that it is truly in plain text!
I show in its entirety what I see just for the record:
> On Sat, Aug 01, 2015 at 10:27:27AM -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
>
> > I apologize for the noise, b
sophisticated server-based db in the future
incarnations of this project.
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in plain text emails. If someone would tell me if I have been
successful or not, I would be very appreciative! If successful, Python
questions will soon follow.
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ut I cannot (yet) bring it to mind.
And for (5), surely I should never violate this one? It seems that in
some future edition of Python they might add any particular __name__
that I might try to use presently in their future version of Python
(however miniscule
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 8:23 PM, boB Stepp wrote:
> Would it be off-putting later to ask specific questions about
> implementing features of kivy on this list? I imagine that they would
> tend to be basic questions that would probably apply to any GUI
> development. But I'm sur
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 12:49:50AM -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> In this thread, I kept it very general on purpose. I was probing this
>> community for their thoughts on two things: 1) Should I make the
>>
e. It's easy to use, share, and collaborate. It works in the browser
>>or you can use their mobile apps. You can set up checklists, attach images
>>and files, work with due dates, comment and activity streams, etc. Plus,
>>using their RESTful API, you could whip up some slick
out of sheer necessity.
As things develop more concretely and I get puzzled and stumped, I
will post more detailed questions.
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assessment project, it is going to have to be
without all the desired bells and whistles to have something that will
be practically useful for her when school starts. Especially when I
am certain Vonda is still figuring out what she *really* needs!
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the code looks even simpler than tkinter.
Does everything have to be written as classes?
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ing at least this one project? Of
course, I have not a clue as to how to do any of this (yet!).
As always, many thanks in advance!
P.S.: My wife has researched existing software and has found
everything lacking. She wants custom solutions to her custom needs.
Oh, joy. But very interesting!
-
e more an advertisement for a new touch screen monitor
for Raspberry Pi. In fact most of the search results I got earlier
involve the Raspberry Pi. Nothing leaped out at me. I may have to
sift through those results more carefully if nothing else turns up.
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e raised errors.
I guess my question was not clearly worded. The idea is that function
1 calls another function. Function 1 checks for possible errors that
are relevant. Some or all of these checks are also relevant to the
called function. Should the called function also include these
relevant err
2 is only ever called by function 1?
My inclination is to say yes, as in some future incarnation of the
program function 2 might get called in new ways. What are your
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n this stored pid, what is the likelihood that the pid
will be reassigned to something other than one of my program's windows
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system and
version of Python; think carefully about your question(s) and trim
your code down to something that is self-contained and shows the exact
problem you are experiencing; and, always post the *full* error report
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e it crashing. While still
there I typed "git clone remote_repo_location" and voila! My files
returned!! I don't totally understand everything yet, but it makes a
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>
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2015 5:39 AM CEST boB Stepp wrote:
>
>>I created my remote repository on, say my C-drive, with "git init".
>
> Not with 'git init --bare'?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:21 PM, Alex Kleider wrote:
> On 2015-04-30 20:39, boB Stepp wrote:
>>
>> I created my remote repository on, say my C-drive, with "git init". I
>> then copied and pasted a file to that location and put it under
>> version control wi
me tons of time.
Even though the link you gave was for a package add, I just *know*
there will be missing dependencies. Guess I will have to learn how to
resolve all the issues that come up. Should be fun!
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ttempted to push to the remote repository
and got this:
boB Stepp@DREAMMACHINE1 /e/Projects/project_name (master)
$ git push origin master
Counting objects: 5, done.
Delta compression using up to 8 threads.
Compressing objects: 100% (2/2), done.
Writing objects: 100% (3/3), 328 bytes | 0 bytes/s, don
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 12:15 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
> boB Stepp writes:
>
>> One problem I have with searching the Python documentation is this:
>> https://docs.python.org/release/2.4.4/lib/lib.html
>
> If you actually need to read the documentation specifically for a P
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