(In)Accessibility of Unity in current Precise

2012-03-06 Thread Boris DuĊĦek
Hello, my colleague is using current Precise with Orca and Unity 2D and is encountering the following problems: 1. In 2D, if you open the menu using Alt+letter (e.g. Alt+S for Soubor in Czech, could be Alt+F for File in English), it does not announce menu item names when navigating

Re: (In)Accessibility of Unity in current Precise

2012-03-06 Thread Nolan Darilek
Ugh! We get to this point in every release, where there are patches for a whole bunch of issues that take forever to land. Meanwhile, testers can't examine the new release to see what new issues were revealed after the fixing of the old. So there's no accessibility *test* cycle, just a bunch

Re: (In)Accessibility of Unity in current Precise

2012-03-06 Thread Alan Bell
totally agree, and sharing this with the unity-design list so more people can see it. 12.04 had been pretty decent compared to other development cycles up to a few weeks ago, then it all went wrong. I am not happy about some of the stuff that landed this cycle with zero design consideration

Re: (In)Accessibility of Unity in current Precise

2012-03-06 Thread Nolan Darilek
Wait, you mean there's *this much breakage* in a *beta*? I thought that betas were supposed to be more stable than less, but what you've just described is a fucking accessibility nightmare. I don't use that sort of language lightly on public mailing lists, but it's absolutely infuriating how

Re: (In)Accessibility of Unity in current Precise

2012-03-06 Thread Alan Bell
On 06/03/12 14:47, Nolan Darilek wrote: Wait, you mean there's *this much breakage* in a *beta*? yes. There are expected to be broken things in a beta, but I do agree that if the with-eyes experience was as bad as it is eyes-free right now then it probably wouldn't go out of the door. On the

Re: (In)Accessibility of Unity in current Precise

2012-03-06 Thread Charlie Kravetz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 15:18:13 + Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 06/03/12 14:47, Nolan Darilek wrote: Wait, you mean there's *this much breakage* in a *beta*? yes. There are expected to be broken things in a beta, but I do agree that

Re: (In)Accessibility of Unity in current Precise

2012-03-06 Thread Nolan Darilek
On 03/06/2012 09:50 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: Much as I hate to say it, this is what I have fought for at UDS for quite a while now. Every 6 months, the rhetoric is the same. Accessibility is very important. We will make sure it can be tested during the Alpha testing stages! We can not have

Brainstorm.ubuntu.com inaccessible account creation process

2012-03-06 Thread Nolan Darilek
I thought I'd post to Brainstorm about this, so I wrote a letter. Only, the account creation process uses an ASCII CAPTCHA with no audio equivalent. I can't even run that past WebVisum. I'll figure something else out, I guess. Ugh this is disheartening. I was so looking forward to a 12.04

Re: Brainstorm.ubuntu.com inaccessible account creation process

2012-03-06 Thread Alan Bell
On 06/03/12 20:05, Christopher Chaltain wrote: What account creation process are you talking about? Where are you trying to create an account? I'm not going to say you don't have valid reasons to be disappointed, but I wouldn't give up hope on 12.04 altogether. We're only a week or two past

Re: Brainstorm.ubuntu.com inaccessible account creation process

2012-03-06 Thread Alan Bell
On 06/03/12 18:16, Nolan Darilek wrote: I thought I'd post to Brainstorm about this, so I wrote a letter. Only, the account creation process uses an ASCII CAPTCHA with no audio equivalent. I can't even run that past WebVisum. I'll figure something else out, I guess. Ugh this is disheartening.