> In fact, our best strategy would be to help in pushing back OOXML adoption
> and retarding OOXML adoption for as long as possible, specifically showing
> no signs of supporting OOXML until a very clear majority of the world's
> Microsoft Office users have adopted it.
Yeah, I can totally see th
> Mark Phillips:
> > > I think we have more to lose than gain by this meeting and should
> > > focus our efforts elsewhere.
>
> Jeff Waugh:
> > I've yet to be convinced that there's much of consequence to be lost,
> > given the venue and subject matter.
>
> Agreed, not much is likely to be los
> > > This comment is totally uncalled for! I find it offensive.
> >
> > So I thought I was alluding to SLUGlets there, more than anything else.
> > It was not intended to offend.
>
> You are aware that 'It was not intended to offend' are not magic words and
> do not change how Mark felt, right
Well, I've been delaying on commenting on this thread as I did not
want to be involved in any flame wars that looked to ensue. My
position is as a home user who's home has been free of windows for
about 7 years now, and as an IT Manager who also cannot escape use of
Microsoft products in various ar
Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
>
>> On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 19:39 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>>> Those who don't feel comfortable with it, and would prefer that we do
>>> not engage at all, can find somewhere else to play with themselves
>>> instead. :-)
>> This comment is totally uncalled for! I find it offens
> On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 19:39 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > Those who don't feel comfortable with it, and would prefer that we do
> > not engage at all, can find somewhere else to play with themselves
> > instead. :-)
>
> This comment is totally uncalled for! I find it offensive.
So I thought I
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:23:11 am Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > It's not like they *need* to stick their head in the lion's mouth.
>
> Well, actually, if Microsoft want to be taken seriously in the Open
> Source community, they do.
Yeah, this is true -- I think some folks within Microsoft been attempt
On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 19:39 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> Those who don't feel comfortable with it, and would prefer that we do not
> engage at all, can find somewhere else to play with themselves instead. :-)
>
This comment is totally uncalled for! I find it offensive. I stayed out
of the flame war
Hey Mark, Jeff, et.al,
caveat: I am not a 'supporter' of Jeff - I am a 'fan' of Pia's, but
she's not Jeff - well, not last time I had lunch with her [1] :')
>> Those who don't feel comfortable with it, and would prefer that we do not
>> engage at all, can find somewhere else to play with themselv
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:24:45 +1100
Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > (Why do people feel the need to assume the worst?)
> >
> > I've been reading this interchange with interest and a degree of
> > amusement.
> >
> > Jeff, I think the answer to that question is probably "history" ;-)
>
Hello,
Jiri Baum:
> > Unfortunately, this will not mitigate any of the likely harms to come out
> > of it, so it'd be a rather pointless gesture.
Jeff Waugh:
> Please document the potential "harms" instead of talking about them in the
> abstract.
They were discussed in more detail elsewhere on t
On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 15:56 +1100, Con Zymaris wrote:
> perhaps, but this approach to speak to LUGs is unlikely to be coming
> from Microsoft's 'non-core product' technology teams, which mostly hook
> themselves into university research groups and subvert what those groups
> are doing so that the
> > (Why do people feel the need to assume the worst?)
>
> I've been reading this interchange with interest and a degree of
> amusement.
>
> Jeff, I think the answer to that question is probably "history" ;-)
About the SLUG committee? Of course not.
- Jeff
--
GNOME.conf.au 2008: Melbourne,
> They were discussed in more detail elsewhere on this thread. The most
> likely ones, I think, are (a) some press dude comes along and says "Wow,
> those freetards sure treated Microsoft badly", or (b) they come in, dodge
> any hard questions and walk out again amicably, giving us nothing and
>
Hello,
> > The professionals (journalists, negotiators, lawyers) spend years
> > learning and honing their skills, just as we spend years improving ours.
> > We're likely to do about as well conducting a potentially hostile
> > interview as a lawyer or journalist writing a subtle piece of code - n
Hello,
Jeff Waugh:
> If they're prepared to come in good faith to talk about Open Source (and
> yes naysayers, they do have quite a bit to talk about!), then rock on.
Just to clarify, I don't doubt they have lots to talk about; however, I do
doubt they're coming in good faith.
> Those who don'
Hi all
Although I don't use Virgin for broadband, I worked there for many
years. If anyone comes up with a walkthrough for connecting from an
Ubuntu box, I would be more than happy to pass the info on to their
customer service people for inclusion in their knowledge base (crappy
.NET thing I u
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sridhar,
>
> There's really only one benchmark that matters here, and it applies to all
> speakers at SLUG anyway: "Will your be presentation be about Open Source?",
> and I know the committee would rationally apply this benchmark regardl
Karl-Dieter Oelrichs wrote:
> Please advise:
> Upgrades for e.g. from Ubuntu Vs7.04 to 7.10.
> Can they be downloaded from the net. If so how big are
> the files. Since I am not connected to the net (I got
> a temporary connection via a G3 phone)Lengthy
> downloads would be impractical at my presen
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:16:45 +1100
Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (Why do
> people feel the need to assume the worst?)
I've been reading this interchange with interest and a degree of amusement.
Jeff, I think the answer to that question is probably "history" ;-)
Peter
--
"INX Is Not
> Unfortunately, this will not mitigate any of the likely harms to come out
> of it, so it'd be a rather pointless gesture.
Please document the potential "harms" instead of talking about them in the
abstract.
> Your phrasing also underscores that they are, in fact, gaining "some
> measure of di
> > The venue is unlikely to provoke a PR earthquake for anyone involved.
>
> Agreed. Though if we could swing it, it'd be neat :-)
Wow. So, you'd like to be as grubby as you've suggested they are? Classy.
- Jeff
--
GNOME.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australia http://live.gnome.org/Melbourne2008
> Are you admitting it well could be the latter representing Microsoft at the
> meeting? We don't know if they have come to talk about Open Source? This
> doesn't sound too well organised.
I'm not on the SLUG committee, so there's no point interpreting my email as
a representation of their org
I have 20 or so Cd's left if you would like one mailed to you.
Let me know off list.
On Jan 13, 2008 3:33 AM, Karl-Dieter Oelrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please advise:
> Upgrades for e.g. from Ubuntu Vs7.04 to 7.10.
> Can they be downloaded from the net. If so how big are
> the files. Sinc
Its all speculation, and at this point I'm guessing, judging by the response
so far, that there is going to be a lot of people that have their say by
saying nothing at all, and by that i mean, simply not turning up and
supporting the cause.
I know I'm one of them.
On Jan 13, 2008 9:00 AM, martin
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:39:04 +1000, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If they're prepared to come in good faith to talk about Open Source (and
> yes
> naysayers, they do have quite a bit to talk about!), then rock on. Pity
> that
> Sam won't be there -- hopefully someone else from their
Hello,
> > When engaging an opponent who is cunning
...
> > it behooves one to proceed with caution.
Jeff Waugh:
> OK: Let's wear floaties! Seriously, it's a few Microsoft people at a LUG.
> It is not national television. About the worst that could happen is that
> some press dude comes along and
On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 12:33:50PM +1100, Nathan Bailey wrote:
> Microsoft Research do some really interesting, innovative and even
> completely open stuff. If we're looking for opportunities to
> collaborate (= help Microsoft to engage with, contribute to and build
> our community) then I wo
On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 04:50:10PM +1000, Daniel Mons wrote:
> Do we have names and/or job descriptions of the Microsoft employees in
> question?
>
> The wiki says:
> "There’s a strong chance that we can have some fairly senior Microsoft
> Australia representatives at a SLUG meeting (likely Januar
Hello,
> > "A Microsoft partner is a victim they haven't got to yet."
...
Sridhar Dhanapalan:
> You're reading far too much into this. This is a one-off meeting. It is not
> another MS-Novell deal, and we sure as heck aren't making a human pretzel.
I hope so.
> At the very least, this is an opp
Hello,
Jeff Waugh:
> Here's an idea: Engage!
When engaging an opponent who is cunning, powerful, ruthless, opportunistic,
predatory and with a history of misleading, dishonest and even outright
illegal behaviour, including turning on those it previously led to believe
were its partners, it beh
On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 10:11:22AM +0800, Harish Pillay wrote:
...
>
> So, while it is good to give them a hearing, make sure that they do not pull
> tricks.
Which is what makes their request to enter the lions den, with cameras
rolling, all the more interesting ;-)
--
Sridhar,
There's really only one benchmark that matters here, and it applies to all
speakers at SLUG anyway: "Will your be presentation be about Open Source?",
and I know the committee would rationally apply this benchmark regardless of
who the presenter might be.
If they're prepared to come in g
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Jiri Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In addition, if the speakers are taking questions directly from the floor,
> they are effectively the moderator of the discussion and thereby in
> control. This seems to be common at LUG meetings and works reasonably well
> for the kinds o
> > > If so, perhaps professionals should be asking the questions and
> > > follow-up questions, not random geeks.
>
> > Oh. Real nice. To both the professionals *and* geeks who go to LUG
> > events.
>
> The professionals (journalists, negotiators, lawyers) spend years learning
> and honing the
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