Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

x27;t fork. It's not like we're entirely powerless here. -Original Message- From: Chauncellor Reply-to: Bug 332945 <332...@bugs.launchpad.net> To: brian...@att.net Subject: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information Date: Wed,

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 22:19 +, Ricardo Pérez López wrote: > Interestingly, the client of the Canonical's recently released UbuntuOne > service puts a persistent applet icon in the notification area: > > https://ubuntuone.com/support/installation/ Well, I don't see any evidence there one way o

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stanislaw Pitucha wrote: > > Yeah... affects me too. > why doesnt canonical add a voting system where the users can vote for a feature... the new notification system is good, but poorly planned... the *devs could have held off the app push atleast u

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2009/4/20 mac_v : > why doesnt canonical add a voting system where the users can vote for a > feature... > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ Just because something is popular, doesn't make it right. -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information https://bugs.launchpad.net/

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> 2009/4/20 mac_v : > > why doesnt canonical add a voting system where the users can vote for a > > feature... > > > > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ > > Just because something is popular, doesn't make it right. > I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better... -- [Jaunty] Upd

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Alan Pope wrote: > > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ > > Just because something is popular, doesn't make it right. > @alan i'v know about brain storm... but its for new ideas and implementation... i suggest for voting already implemented new features... i understand that popular doesnt mean righ

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

xpd259 wrote: > a simple notification bubble been shown every x min is more then enough > to notify a user to update with out intruding on the users desktop > +1 ^ this is a lovely idea... xpd i hope u can add this to the notify-osd comments section -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would prov

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> s/everybody/a vocal minority/ > Regarding the number of duplicates and comments, I don't believe it's a vocal minority. And regarding all the opposition, maybe a kind of survey would be nice to be sure the feature is benefic to Ubuntu users or not. At least I find it's premature to enable this

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009/4/20 Philippe Escarbassière : > I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better... > s/everybody/a vocal minority/ -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945 You received this bug notification because you are

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

+1 please do a survey or make a poll available for users to vote. There are currently about 20 bugs with (from what I see) the majority of the people complaining about it. This is not a minor thing. -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information https://bugs.launchpad.

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Il giorno lun, 20/04/2009 alle 09.27 +, Alan Pope ha scritto: > > I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better... > > > > s/everybody/a vocal minority/ This comment is anti-scientific. Either you invent a survey and convince users (ubuntu or launchpad users, and it makes a dif

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xpd259 wrote: > > a simple notification bubble been shown every x min is more then enough > to notify a user to update with out intruding on the users desktop > @Matthew Paul Thomas , Alan Pope consider this idea instead of the pop-under... i understand this is not immediately possible, but ho

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/4/20 Philippe EscarbassiÚre : >> I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better... >> > > s/everybody/a vocal minority/ > yeah maybe we are the minority who think that they can improve this linux flavor , but si

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/4/20 Philippe EscarbassiÚre : >> I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better... >> > > s/everybody/a vocal minority/ > yeah maybe we are the minority who think that they can improve this linux flavor , but signing up for an account , and submitting/comme

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno lun, 20/04/2009 alle 14.37 +, xpd259 ha scritto: > > simple answer .. unofficial answer but > here is a poll > > http://www.doodle.com/h7shad47ffgpxpyq > Am I reading Mark Shuttleworth voting for the old-style notification? Perhaps a poll with launchpad authentication would be b

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

@Jonathan I didn't speak about developers. I'm a developer myself and I try not to bash other developers and respect their work. But I listen to users feedback too. In this case, even if 221 votes are not a proof (plus other forum posts and wiki comments), it's clearly an indication this new beha

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2009/4/20 xpd259 > simple answer .. unofficial answer but > here is a poll > > http://www.doodle.com/h7shad47ffgpxpyq Well, it's conclusive, obviously - 25 people have voted in favour of the old system so far, including Bill Gates, The Real Slim Shady and the Big Bird off of Sesame Street, vers

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > Il giorno lun, 20/04/2009 alle 14.37 +, xpd259 ha scritto: > >> simple answer .. unofficial answer but >> here is a poll >> >> http://www.doodle.com/h7shad47ffgpxpyq >> >> > > Am I reading Mark Shuttleworth voting for the old-style notification? > Perhaps a

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 15:01 +, Philippe Escarbassière wrote: > @Jonathan > > I didn't speak about developers. I'm a developer myself and I try not to > bash other developers and respect their work. But I listen to users > feedback too. I wasn't picking you out in particular, I'm just hoping t

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 15:34 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Philippe, if we made only changes that were welcome to everybody, we > wouldn't have changed anything since Ubuntu 4.10. s/everybody/most people/ or s/everybody/majority of users/ as I think the original intention of "everybody" was m

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

I believe Roshan was talking about the notificaion area: >I cannot imagine why getting rid of an updates _notification_ >in a _notification area_ was reasonable. This is very annoying. Maybe you should read his post again. Jonathan Davies wrote: > Roshan: That is a separate issue - see bug #3561

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 15:49 +, getut wrote: > >The issue of trying to guess when is the best time to interrupt people > > MPT... "never" IS a perfectly valid answer to INTERRUPTING a user. +1, mod parent up, etc. At the risk of seeming like I am in love with my own ideas, this was why I propo

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Peter Whittaker wrote: > On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 15:49 +, getut wrote: >>> The issue of trying to guess when is the best time to interrupt people >> MPT... "never" IS a perfectly valid answer to INTERRUPTING a user. > > +1, mod parent up, etc. > > At the risk of seeming like I am in love with m

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 17:56 +, mac_v wrote: > > +1 .but the only thing would be to drop beneath in a few seconds * only > when the user is working * but *remain persistent until the users > returns to the system* and starts to work. That seems a good idea. However, there are a couple use cases

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 +1 this is a very nice idea. Also I like to state AGAIN: Why is choice such a big problem for you design people, if you want to remove the icons from the notificaion area by default, ok go ahead. But then give people who do like it the option to bring

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Peter Whittaker wrote: > Watching a full screen video, for example. i dont think that full screen video/any video are a problem, since gnome-screen saver recognizes when videos are playing, something similar probably could be worked in for detection. but the real problem will be with flash firefox

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009/4/30 Matthew Paul Thomas : > Matt Wheeler, LanoxxthShaddow: We removed the icon because we're trying > to reduce the number of items in the notification area, and update- > notifier was an easy one to start with because Notify OSD forced us to > solve the "'Click the icon'? What icon?" problem

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > > John Clemens: The issue of trying to guess when is the best time to > interrupt people is a tricky problem for notifications in general. As getut pointed out, you're conflating "interruption" with "notification". Notifications, lik

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 17:00 +, Richard Thomas wrote: > Also I would like to point out that if you make use of virtual desktops > feature > I have 9 desktops It very very easy to miss the pop up as on my machine it > shows on desktop one > while i tend work on other desktops and have firefox

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009/5/1 Richard Thomas : > Also  I would like to point out that if you make use of virtual desktops > feature > I have 9 desktops It very very easy to miss the pop up as on my machine it > shows on desktop one > while i tend work on other desktops and have firefox open on full screen on > deskt

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > bdoe: If there are security updates waiting in the archive and Update > Manager doesn't open within a day, please report a separate bug about > that. However -- and I apologize in advance if this affects your sleep > -- it has never been true that "if there's no icon up

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Uwe Schilling wrote: > Well, it need not be a ticker, it need not be animated,Or it could be > animated by default and there is an option to turn off the animation. Or > the ticker is moving through just once and then stays still until the > mouse hovers over it, or ... I basically just wanted to s

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 16:12 +, scar wrote: > open the update manager on > all desktops at least Oh yeah, that's much better. Annoying * $number_of_desktops. Talk about getting right in somebody's face. Surely it's obvious by now that this was a very ill-thought out decision. I've said

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > bdoe: If you are still having this problem, I suggest subscribing to the > feed, and then reporting a bug the next time > a package you have installed shows up there without Update Manager > opening within a day. We'd take that very seriously

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C. Cooke wrote: > Paulo J. S. Silva : > > About updates in the indicator applet: I've been working on a proof-of- > concept that does just that. It currently implements indicator messages > for updates and needing to reboot. > > You can find it at http://earth.gkhs.net/ccooke/indicator/ > > Note

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

MPT.. so if I am hearing this right... popup/popunder is here to stay and there is no amount of griping in any fashion, organized or unorganized that can get that virus... erm feature removed going forward? -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information https://bugs.laun

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getut wrote: > MPT.. so if I am hearing this right... popup/popunder is here to stay > and there is no amount of griping in any fashion, organized or > unorganized that can get that virus... erm feature removed going > forward? > sad to say that "feature" seems here to stay ! since mostly they don

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno ven, 12/06/2009 alle 20.34 +, mac_v ha scritto: > > concerns *need* to be made at > https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > subscribe to this mailing list and voice your concerns... its no use > here... Subscribe to that mailing list if you are interested in constructive discussion, not to

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

t; To: brian...@att.net Subject: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:05:56 - @Martin: No - there are two problems with automatic [anything]: 1. I may be using the application that is being upgraded - and may cause

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno dom, 14/06/2009 alle 04.56 +, bdoe ha scritto: > Regarding automatic updates: I'm with Martin on this one; I believe it > should be turned on by default I am in all ways against automatic updates because I think the user must be aware of when something delicate is happening. E.g. in

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

I have marked Leandro's Brainstorm Idea as a duplicate of: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19283 Best Regards Lanoxx -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ub

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

-Original Message- From: Vincenzo Ciancia Subject: Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:59:50 - >I am in all ways against automatic updates because I think the user must >be aware of when som

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

To use automotive analogies in this... If our check engine light comes on our car taking us in a straight line to the dealership, not following roads, going straight through forest, lakes, streams etc. Its just ludicrous devs hijacking the desktop with unsolicited pop-ups. Update manager is going t

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On 14/06/2009 Chauncellor wrote: > > After realizing this, I've found out that MPT was right: I don't think > that any icon will suit the notification area for a casual user. There > is something that needs to be done. HOWEVER, I still don't agree that > the pop-up is the necessary solution. > I

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno lun, 15/06/2009 alle 22.55 +, bdoe ha scritto: > > The same could be said for Windows. Since Windows XP SP2, automatic > security updates are turned on by default, and users have to > specifically opt out of it to turn it off. I want to point out the following to the many who think

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > mac_v: A notification that a window has popped up? You mean something > like this screenshot? That's how Mac OS 9 did it a decade ago. Its main > problem was that there was no direct way to get from the notification to > the actual window, violating the principle of dir

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Jonathan Marsden wrote: > I'm slightly bewildered that so many here apparently feel that bothering > to read the Jaunty Release Notes and doing what they suggest, to restore > the old approach, is impossibly difficult... or something? I'm pretty sure most of us are aware of how to bring back the o

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 20:33 +, Brian Curtis wrote: > Hi everybody, Discussion should probably be moved to the Ubuntuforums, > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1097110 Uhm, please no. I don't "interact" on web pages/forums. I don't have the time or attention to go check forums multip

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Sat, 2009-03-28 at 00:02 +, ktp420 wrote: > But I got both Firefox needs restart icon and restart required icon. Is > this another bug? If it is, then will the dialog, which is shows the > information when user clicks the notification or icon, be opened like > updates-available dialog when

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 23:10 +, michael perigard wrote: > Now I've seen the emergence of the "indicator-applet" which seems to me > to be an attempt at a notification area with standards. I feel like > there's a bit of wheel re-inventing going on. We already have an area > for notifications. Mos

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

(CC'ed to ubuntu-devel-discuss, as this is where further discussions should happen. Please everybody answer there.) Op zaterdag 28-03-2009 om 02:23 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Ted Gould: > The notification area is fundamentally broken. It's broken in the > fact that what it requires is applica

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

"Notification area is broken" - most applications provide an option to show the notification. Personally, I see it as a useful space for the application to go away, while still running, and not using up space in my window space. So I still don't see how to "fix" the broken applications. -- [Jaun

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On Sat, 2009-03-28 at 04:11 +, michael perigard wrote: > Oh, and I certainly wasn't advocating every application have their own > icon. If a program is running on another workspace or in the background > and doesn't need to notify me of state updates or new events, it > shouldn't take up any pr

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno mar, 02/06/2009 alle 15.30 +, braddock ha scritto: > > > > > What happened to the wide-spread usability principle that modal > dialogs > (aka, an unwanted update window) are BAD? > \begin{acid*} It has been argued (in my opinion, very imprecisely) that no system can go on withou

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 13:55 +, Toralv wrote: > I think it's rather communistic of those responsible for this change to > impose their personal preference on everybody. Hrm. You don't seem to understand the concept of communism and are making the common mistake of calling what you characterize

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

True. I believe the correct term would be "fascism"; but we are getting way off topic. FWIW, I noticed that the behavior of the update window seems to have changed since I first installed Jaunty. Instead of opening as a popup/popunder, it is opening minimized in my task panel. Though this is not a

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno mer, 03/06/2009 alle 19.36 +, mb_webguy ha scritto: > This one, however, was -- in > many users' opinions -- for the worse, and the response to negative > user > feedback on this issue has made it seem as if the developers are > determinedly ignoring it. No the feedback has not been

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Leandro: This looks nice but only works if you have a SYSTEM menu. UNR users don't and users who remove or move this menu (as I have on a notebook) will not see the notification indication. Walt -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information https://bugs.launchpad.net/b

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Il giorno gio, 04/06/2009 alle 14.41 +, Matthew Paul Thomas ha scritto: > > > yurx cherio: People had already been trying to find an effective icon > for years, from one that looked like a cigarette packet (Ubuntu 5.04) > to > a red pinwheel (5.10) to an orange square (6.06, 6.10, 7.04, 7.10)

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I have to agree here. What will happen to programms like pidgin or Skype. Can we not send them to the notification area any more? That would be really disappointing. What other place will there be to have a permanent place of putting apps that run in the background, if you ultimately remove the not

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 14:21 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > ami_nakata and Peter Whittaker, your proposed rule about never opening > windows automatically is unworkable. > I didn't read all of Peter's very long comment

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 14:21 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > It's not particularly productive to be covering, in bug report comments, > exactly the same points as were covered in the mailing list discussion > six weeks earlier. So if you could read the mailing list discussion > first, that would

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 16:25 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > I'm not sure from the text description how your proposed > persistent indicator would behave; perhaps you could post > a mockup and example timeline on the Ubuntu wiki? I'm not a graphics guy (I struggle with getting anything more tha

RE: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:07:03 + > From: jcoll...@asgardsrealm.net > Subject: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful > status information > > @Matthew, > > As far as I can tell none of those "changes" address the chief

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

i have to agree with mac_v On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 13:56 +, mac_v wrote: > Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:: > (1) Yes, it is more obtrusive, that's entirely deliberate, and I don't know > what "study" you're referring to. > (2) Using a notification icon to advertise updates is a bad idea first

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009/4/8 mac_v : > @Matthew >>> RIDICULOUS EXPLANATIONS <<< > 1] seems to  be a deliberate move... OK .. thts understood > 2] & 3]not obvious???gratuitously difficult.? ARE U KIDDING > Lets keep this calm and adult shall we. > the reasons we have road signs as symbols rather than

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

>Are you being intruded when your >e-mail program notifies you in a persistent window that new mail is >ready (and maybe even bring up the program window unfocused)? Are you >being intruded when your IM client pops up a window when someone new >IM's you? YES! Now please allow for the user to rev

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

This new feature is a slap in the face to users who have up until now have been following a well established model of notification. Ubuntu has been operating this way for years. Now we file a bug report because for many of us, this IS a feature regression. The developers respond in a heavy handed

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:32 AM, ddumont wrote: > >Are you being intruded when your > >e-mail program notifies you in a persistent window that new mail is > >ready (and maybe even bring up the program window unfocused)? Are you > >being intruded when your IM client pops up a window when someone

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

I see a notification in the system tray when there are updates... what behavior are you referring to? On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Brian Curtis wrote: > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:32 AM, ddumont wrote: > > > >Are you being intruded when your > > >e-mail program notifies you in a persistent

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno mer, 08/04/2009 alle 14.19 +, Brian Curtis ha scritto: > > What makes these things "difficult", is that most of the time people > aren't staring at their taskbar tray, and any icon that pops up goes > unnoticed (most of the time). Making this how MPT has it , is > something > to try

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>ddumont, that something is years-old and well-established does not mean >it is correct. (For example, applications have been asking for over 25 >years whether you want to "save changes" to documents, but that's always >been nonsense and should be fixed eventually.) Nor does it mean the >behavior s

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno mer, 08/04/2009 alle 14.27 +, Alan Pope ha scritto: > > > In addition in the UK we have a book full of them called the "Highway > Code" which is a lookup table of signs and their meanings, with a > couple of tests before you are allowed to drive alone Yes, but on the road you can't

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno mer, 08/04/2009 alle 14.27 +, Alan Pope ha scritto: > > > > OK seems that this battle is not going to be won by the users! > > > > This isn't a battle. It's a bug report. Did somebody notice how tons of people here are *fighting* for what they feel like an usability decrease in ub

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno mer, 08/04/2009 alle 14.42 +, ddumont ha scritto: > > > It sure feels like a battle. Do you simply not see the opposition > here, or > do you choose to ignore it? > Why isn't such a drastic change in policy configurable by the user? > You're writing software for users... aren't y

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Il giorno mer, 08/04/2009 alle 15.04 +, Brian Curtis ha scritto: > > My point to this, (and thanks for saying yes), was this is how Ubuntu > currently runs in Intrepid (so in essence you are saying you don't > like the > current way ubuntu runs). > pidgin is a single program, "against" (if y

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno mer, 08/04/2009 alle 15.26 +, Matthew Paul Thomas ha scritto: > If > you have an alternative proposal for how to present persistent > notifications, then as I suggested to Peter Whittaker, you're welcome > to > post them on the Ubuntu wiki for further discussion. > Whenever anybody

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

It is not configurable by everyday users... That setting is not explicitly supported. When it breaks, everyone who relies on it will be SOL. On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > Il giorno mer, 08/04/2009 alle 14.42 +, ddumont ha scritto: > > > > > > It sure feels like

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 19:55 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > I think it's important that we not treat the OS specially, Mark, thanks for your comments. I think this one area where there is considerable disagreement: The OS is different - when the computer needs to tell me something, I probably sh

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno ven, 24/04/2009 alle 09.43 +, hurga ha scritto: > > Revert this, and whoever signed off on that change should be spanked, > hard. I would not want _these persons_ to be spanked. In any case ubuntu developers have done an extremely good job across the years. Dapper was nothing more t

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Just to give my two cents on the subject: I'm in favour of keeping the notification icon for a simple reason. Someone (I don't remember if Mark or someone else) mentioned, from what I got, that the notification area has been used by applications, and to avoid confusion we should remove it from ther

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

James Dowden wrote: > I had thought this was just a bug in the beta version, but I did not > know which package to report it against. Now I've read this and I am > totally outraged by this deliberate regression. > > As for Mark Shuttleworth's ludicrous assumption that only coding experts > want th

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Sun, 2009-04-26 at 21:38 +, mac_v wrote: > a bit too harsh there pal... Harsh? Perhaps. But given the comparative levels of user frustration and development intransigence, the frustration is understandable. > asking the devs for an apology, is way out there!!! Absolutely not. At this poin

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

There was one dev that came here and stated (and to which I agree) that "if the devs kept listening to everyones complaints Ubuntu wouldn't have changed since 4.10". There are those that are truly resistant to change and constantly badger devs because they didn't get what they wanted. On that not

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Self appointed "benevolent" dictator for life ;) Torben wrote: > It is sad to see, but I think this will not be the last big > dissapointment. Sure you can't satisfy all users at any time, but what > is claimed to be "leadership" here is the kind of spirit I wouldn't > expect from a linux distribu

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Jamin W. Collins: By "gratuitously difficult" I meant you had to (1) > notice the icon, (2) recall that orange starburst = updates available > (possibly assisted by a notification bubble, if you happened to look > during the time the bubble was visible), (3) click on it

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

I was initially opposed to this change as a default, but having spoken to a friend who upgraded to Jaunty just after the release I am much happier about the idea of testing it on 'the masses'. My friend, who is quite technical (works in the IT department in a school), said he preferred the new s

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Jamin W. Collins: By "gratuitously difficult" I meant you had to (1) > notice the icon, (2) recall that orange starburst = updates available > (possibly assisted by a notification bubble, if you happened to look > during the time the bubble was visible), (3) click on it

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > I have seen no evidence, in this bug report or anywhere > else, of "the simple need for a form of persistent notification" for > software updates. have u considered that these update windows WONT GET NOTICED, when the user is working in other windows and only notice

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Stanislaw Pitucha wrote: > 2. (in case of us) Think - did I forget to close it after the last upgrade, or was I waiting for package list update to finish, or is it notifying me about new upgrades so i'm not the only one> this happened to me when i got the firefox security update! when previously

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Matt Wheeler wrote: > My friend, who is quite technical (works in the IT department in a school), > said he preferred the new system because before he would just ignore the > orange icon (even though he knew what it meant). > quite technical but doesnt update? wow! and works in the IT departmen

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

getut wrote: > > Can anyone give a definite answer on how long the gconf command to > revert to old behavior will be supported going forward? AFAIK, the gconf method is currently not *supported*. It does work but it is not a *supported* option. So, I believe we have our answer. -- [Jaunty] U

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009/4/29 mac_v : > Matt Wheeler wrote: > >> My friend, who is quite technical (works in the IT department in a school), >> said he preferred the new system because before he would just ignore the >> orange icon (even though he knew what it meant). >> > quite technical but doesnt update? wow! and

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > mac_v: As I explained in the very text you quoted, we are not "creating > such security holes": that problem already exists, regardless of Update > Manager. As for your food analogy, you are confusing perfect with > better. We switched to Notify OSD, with the necessary

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

hurga wrote: > manager window means, so nothing gained. > > Put the issue up for a vote, where the majority of ubuntu users can vote > and don't decide over peoples head. > @hurga> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19283/ this voting has already been going on regarding this notifier at brainsto

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Afaik the Kubuntu team hasn't accepted the new notifier and are still discussing it's implications. -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is

RE: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:30:23 + > From: m...@canonical.com > "What's so wrong" with the updates-available icon is that it's not obvious. > > I am confused. In the above list it says: update-notifier has always a

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Replying via email does work. Launchpad is one of the bugtrackers that actually supports this. (you can see which people replied via email in the bug report by the reply subjects) -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945 You

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno ven, 03/04/2009 alle 17.12 +, Alessandro Pedarra ha scritto: > > Guys I found a temporary way to revert back to the old system, it's > explained all here: http://martinpitt.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/the- > stracciatella-gnome-session/ Please let's not create additional confusion on a

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

While this will solve *my* problem...I still think it is a mistake in general to annoy regular users with this new behaviour. More and more people are finding out about this, how many people subscribing to this bug will it take to force the developers' hands? I don't understand the problem w

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