Re: Introduction & Language-Support Question

2008-08-12 Thread S'orlok Reaves
Hello, As I just joined this mailing list, a brief introduction is in order. My name is Seth Hetu; I've been using Ubuntu since Edgy, and I just started my own project (http://code.google.com/p/scim-waitzar) to add support for Burmese (SCIM) input to Ubuntu. So far, my experience has been po

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Onno Benschop
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: >> >>> == Filesystem checking / AutoFsck == >>> >>> A suggestion was made to the technical board that Ubuntu could be smarter >>> about how and when it performs filesystem integrity checks (fsck). >>> >>> Decision: This should

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-12 Thread Aurélien Naldi
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Laurent Bigonville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Empathy[1] will be part of the upcoming GNOME 2.24 desktop. > The ubuntu desktop team considers using it instead of Pidgin for > intrepid as default IM client. If you are running intrepid, please gi

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Uwe L. Korn
Seeing it from the perspective of an common user, fsck is something whose function is unknown and therefore running it is senseless, so they might turn if off directly or skip it always which is not good. My idea: -> Mount the partition read-only -> Capture writes with something like AuFS/Union-F

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:15:05AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:09:19PM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > == Filesystem checking / AutoFsck == > > > > > > A suggestion was made to the technical boar

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Andrew Sayers
Apologies for replying to myself, but I remembered that Google exists :) Apparently snapshot merging is currently in beta: http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/LVM_Snapshot_Merging Also apparently, LVM2 ensures filesystem integrity when creating snapshots: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/snapshotintro.htm

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-12 Thread Laurent Bigonville
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:55:29 +0200 "Marcin ‘Qrczak’ Kowalczyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/8/8 Laurent Bigonville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > The ubuntu desktop team considers using it instead of Pidgin for > > intrepid as default IM client. > > Please not, until Empathy supports protocols t

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-12 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le mardi 12 août 2008 à 18:09 +0100, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando a écrit : > Olá Laurent e a todos. > > I have testing it today. > For now, 2 small things: > There no window opening when a new conversation comes (even as an option) and > i cant change the name of my accounts. > Should I file this as bu

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-12 Thread (``-_-´´) -- Fernando
Olá Laurent e a todos. I have testing it today. For now, 2 small things: There no window opening when a new conversation comes (even as an option) and i cant change the name of my accounts. Should I file this as bugs? -- BUGabundo :o) (``-_-´´) http://Ubuntu.BUGabundo.net Linux user #443

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-12 Thread Bram Neijt
Hi Bryce, I mostly suspend my laptop, so shutting it down and rebooting is not really done that often. Which means that I hit the day count more then I hit the mount count. If you want, you can change the mount based counting to a higher number with tune2fs (see the -c option in man tune2fs). So y

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Andrew Sayers
Matt Zimmerman wrote: > The LVM solution isn't viable anyway; there's no guarantee that the metadata > on disk is in any way consistent while the filesystem is mounted. The > problem in your test isn't only that the filesystem is changing from > underneath it, it's also that it may not have been c

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 06:17:36PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > ti, 2008-08-12 kello 15:07 +0100, Matt Zimmerman kirjoitti: > > Indeed. The best we could do in a scenario like this would be to flag the > > filesystem dirty so that it gets checked the next time it's possible. > > I assume you me

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2008-08-12 kello 15:07 +0100, Matt Zimmerman kirjoitti: > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 02:59:22PM +0100, Alexander Jones wrote: > > 2008/8/12 Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > A way to avoid that would be to set up systems with LVM, and use an LVM > > > snapshot volume for running fsck. This

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Alexander Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/8/12 Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Paul S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I've been bitten bad by e2fsck where it's borked my system such that >>> I've had to reinstall.

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Alexander Jones
2008/8/12 Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Paul S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I've been bitten bad by e2fsck where it's borked my system such that >> I've had to reinstall. Since I don't want to be forced into that again, >> I'm trying to disable it perma

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Paul S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been bitten bad by e2fsck where it's borked my system such that > I've had to reinstall. Since I don't want to be forced into that again, > I'm trying to disable it permanently and take my chances on losing a > file here or

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Paul S
I've been bitten bad by e2fsck where it's borked my system such that I've had to reinstall. Since I don't want to be forced into that again, I'm trying to disable it permanently and take my chances on losing a file here or there. However, I can't seem to shut it off. So far, I've used tune2fs

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 02:59:22PM +0100, Alexander Jones wrote: > 2008/8/12 Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > A way to avoid that would be to set up systems with LVM, and use an LVM > > snapshot volume for running fsck. This would give fsck a frozen snapshot > > of the system, and should wor

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Alexander Jones
2008/8/12 Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > A way to avoid that would be to set up systems with LVM, and use an LVM > snapshot volume for running fsck. This would give fsck a frozen snapshot > of the system, and should work better. However, it requires some free > space to be used, and I haven'

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 08:57:36PM +1000, Ian Chennell wrote: > > > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:09:19PM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > > > Some of the other ideas which have been proposed are: >

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2008-08-12 kello 20:57 +1000, Ian Chennell kirjoitti: > If fsck is to run during shutdown, then there definitely needs to be a > means to easily skip it, or perhaps defer it to run at the next startup. > Many people (like me :P) leave it till the very last minute at work > before doing an "exp

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-12 Thread Xavier Claessens
On mar, 2008-08-12 at 11:50 +0100, Andrew Sayers wrote: > Xavier Claessens wrote: > > What do you mean by merging? The code is totally different, it's > > impossible to merge together. > > > > Xavier Claessens > > I'm talking more about merging the projects than the codebases - finding > a way th

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Ian Chennell
Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:09:19PM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > Some of the other ideas which have been proposed are: > > Run fsck during shutdown (when the user isn't expecting to be able to use >

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-12 Thread Andrew Sayers
Xavier Claessens wrote: > What do you mean by merging? The code is totally different, it's > impossible to merge together. > > Xavier Claessens I'm talking more about merging the projects than the codebases - finding a way that you can all work on a single project that would satisfy users and dev

Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:09:19PM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > == Filesystem checking / AutoFsck == > > > > A suggestion was made to the technical board that Ubuntu could be smarter > > about how and when it performs filesyst

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-12 Thread Xavier Claessens
What do you mean by merging? The code is totally different, it's impossible to merge together. Xavier Claessens On mar, 2008-08-12 at 08:16 +0100, Andrew Sayers wrote: > How about merging with Ekiga? That would give you more developers and a > simple route towards being included in the default i

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-12 Thread Andrew Sayers
How about merging with Ekiga? That would give you more developers and a simple route towards being included in the default install, without the amount of disruption that would be caused by completely replacing a frequently-used app. - Andrew -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-d