Fwd: U+25CA LOZENGE - why is it in the "Mac OS Roman" character set (and therefore widespread in current fonts)?

2012-08-14 Thread Robert Wheelock
-- Forwarded message -- From: Karl Pentzlin Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:04 PM Subject: Re: U+25CA LOZENGE - why is it in the "Mac OS Roman" character set (and therefore widespread in current fonts)? To: Robert Wheelock Dear Robert, you have sent the mail below to my private add

Re: Apostrophe, and DIN keyboard

2012-08-14 Thread Philippe Verdy
This is not dramatic. French keyboards have a standard degree symbol on them, Spanish keyboards have the masculine ordinal. This character is often confused, just like notations of degrees/minutes/seconds using ASCII quotation marks instead of prime symbols. In an email not intended to be typograp

Re: Apostrophe, and DIN keyboard

2012-08-14 Thread Karl Pentzlin
Am Montag, 13. August 2012 um 22:00 schrieb Otto Stolz: OS> am 2012-08-13 18:09, schrieb Andreas Prilop: >> ... show what the braindead German DIN keyboard layout has done to >> the apostrophe (’): Killed by the acute accent (´). OS> DIN 2112 (from 1928) for mechanical typewriters had indeed no O

Re: Apostrophe, and DIN keyboard

2012-08-14 Thread Michael Everson
On 14 Aug 2012, at 21:52, Khaled Hosny wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 03:56:23PM -0400, Robert Wheelock wrote: >> ... 90º ... 45º > > BTW, the degree sign is ° not the masculine ordinal indicator that you are > using. :-) Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

Re: Apostrophe, and DIN keyboard (was: U+25CA LOZENGE)

2012-08-14 Thread Cristian Secară
În data de Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:00:21 +0200, Otto Stolz a scris: > DIN 2137 (from 1976) is for computers: > These keyboards always had both the acute, and grave, accents, > and the (ASCII) apostrophe. Yes, but they are defined as dead keys. I have a copy of the DIN 2137-2:2003-09 where at page 8 s

Re: Apostrophe, and DIN keyboard

2012-08-14 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 03:56:23PM -0400, Robert Wheelock wrote: > ... 90º ... 45º BTW, the degree sign is ° not the masculine ordinal indicator that you are using. Regards, Khaled

Re: Apostrophe, and DIN keyboard

2012-08-14 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-08-14 22:56, Robert Wheelock wrote: The _tonos_ (overtick) is a STRAIGHT 90º accent mark, whereas the _oxeia_ (acute) is usually slanted at 45º. It is somewhat tragicomic that you make the mistake of using masculine ordinal indicator U+00BA in place of the degree sign U+00B0, when making

Re: Apostrophe, and DIN keyboard

2012-08-14 Thread Robert Wheelock
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Robert Wheelock wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Robert Wheelock wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Andreas Prilop > > wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Otto Stolz wrote: >>> >>> >> http://www.machsmit.de/media/mainteaser/header-ichwi

Re: Apostrophe, and DIN keyboard

2012-08-14 Thread Robert Wheelock
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Robert Wheelock wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Andreas Prilop > wrote: > >> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Otto Stolz wrote: >> >> >> http://www.machsmit.de/media/mainteaser/header-ichwillserleben.png >> >> http://www.machsmit.de/kampagne/printmedien.php >>

Re: Apostrophe, and DIN keyboard

2012-08-14 Thread Robert Wheelock
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Andreas Prilop wrote: > On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Otto Stolz wrote: > > >> http://www.machsmit.de/media/mainteaser/header-ichwillserleben.png > >> http://www.machsmit.de/kampagne/printmedien.php > >> show what the braindead German DIN keyboard layout has done to > >> th

Re: German »Raute«

2012-08-14 Thread Otto Stolz
Hello, Den 2012-08-13 22:14, skrev "Otto Stolz" : Hence, every »Raute« is a »Quadrat« (square), but not vice versa. Am 2012-08-13 23:37, schrieb Kent Karlsson: I think you got this backwards... Am 2012-08-14 0:46, schrieb Markus Scherer: The other way around, right? Every »Quadrat« (square

Re: Apostrophe, and DIN keyboard

2012-08-14 Thread Andreas Prilop
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Otto Stolz wrote: >> http://www.machsmit.de/media/mainteaser/header-ichwillserleben.png >> http://www.machsmit.de/kampagne/printmedien.php >> show what the braindead German DIN keyboard layout has done to >> the apostrophe (’): Killed by the acute accent (´). > > Andreas’ exam

Re: U+25CA LOZENGE - why is it in the "Mac OS Roman" character set (and therefore widespread in current fonts)?

2012-08-14 Thread Karl Pentzlin
Am Montag, 13. August 2012 um 20:53 schrieb Hans Aberg: HA> The German WP mentions that in the context of the now HA> discontinued Bildschirmtext, it was called "Raute": HA> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelkreuz_(Satzzeichen) HA> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildschirmtext HA> But other

Re: German »Raute« (was: U+25CA LOZENGE)

2012-08-14 Thread Steven Atreju
Hi all, Philippe Verdy wrote: |2012/8/13 Otto Stolz : |> Hello, |> |> am 2012-08-13 20:48, schrieb Leif Halvard Silli: |>> |>> The word 'Raute' reminds of the Norwegian 'rute' - and my Norwegian |>> book on etymology assumes that 'rute' is derived from 'Raute'. The |>> Norwegian 'rute' ma