Re: IPv6 issue

2022-05-07 Thread Grant Taylor
On 5/7/22 1:55 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I used to greylist and it helped a lot. I used to use grey listing too. I've found no listing to be equally effective. 2FA killed that, however. When someone logs into a website, bank, etc quite often they use an email address as the second facto

Re: IPv6 issue

2022-05-07 Thread Benny Pedersen
On 2022-05-07 09:55, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Once 2FA became a big deal for the banks I got far too many user complaints on the greylisting to keep it. 2fa should NOT be done on email idiotic banks :)

Re: IPv6 issue

2022-05-07 Thread Benny Pedersen
On 2022-05-07 02:39, Greg Troxel wrote: I agree with what Grant said. Also, I wonder how much greylisting would help, and if you were already doing that. The data I posted is for a machine that already does greylisting in general, with varying times depending on inclusion in various RBLs and lo

Re: IPv6 issue

2022-05-07 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
I used to greylist and it helped a lot. 2FA killed that, however. When someone logs into a website, bank, etc quite often they use an email address as the second factor - so for that to work the email has to be delivered instantaneously. Also most 2FA does not follow any kind of SMTP standard

Re: IPv6 issue

2022-05-06 Thread Jeremy Ardley
On 6/5/22 6:31 pm, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: For unrelated reasons I had to turn off IPv6 on my incoming mailserver. Spam plummeted.  Like by 80% at least.  Both uncaught and caught spam did. Were there more hostname variations with records than A records? -- Jeremy OpenPGP_signatu

Re: IPv6 issue

2022-05-06 Thread Greg Troxel
I agree with what Grant said. Also, I wonder how much greylisting would help, and if you were already doing that. The data I posted is for a machine that already does greylisting in general, with varying times depending on inclusion in various RBLs and local data. I find that delaying connectio

Re: IPv6 issue

2022-05-06 Thread Grant Taylor
On 5/6/22 10:49 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Arg. Well I think you hit the nail on the head. And I think I may have stumbled on to a spam defeating trick. Ya ... not running email server on IPv6 is a way of not receiving (some) spam. But I view it very similarly as not running an email serve

Re: IPv6 issue

2022-05-06 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Arg. Well I think you hit the nail on the head. And I think I may have stumbled on to a spam defeating trick. Here's what I think MAY be going on. As we all know spammers are the textbook drive by shooters. They are going to try the first A returned from the mailserver just like a regular m

Re: IPv6 issue

2022-05-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > For unrelated reasons I had to turn off IPv6 on my incoming mailserver. > > Spam plummeted. Like by 80% at least. Both uncaught and caught spam did. > > When IPv6 was on, the mailserver had all PTR and and MX records to > allow it to receive incoming mail via IP

IPv6 issue

2022-05-06 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Hi All, I hope this does not start a holy war. For unrelated reasons I had to turn off IPv6 on my incoming mailserver. Spam plummeted. Like by 80% at least. Both uncaught and caught spam did. When IPv6 was on, the mailserver had all PTR and and MX records to allow it to receive incoming