TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden

2006-04-13 Thread Magnus Holmgren
I see a fair amount of spam using TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden to hide bayes poison. Shouldn't a rule against that, or CSS-hidden text in general, be worthwile? I couldn't find any in the default 3.1.1 ruleset, nor at SARE. -- Magnus Holmgren pgpVmoewWW2XX.pgp Description: PGP

Re: TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden

2006-04-13 Thread Matt Kettler
Magnus Holmgren wrote: I see a fair amount of spam using TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden to hide bayes poison. Shouldn't a rule against that, or CSS-hidden text in general, be worthwile? I couldn't find any in the default 3.1.1 ruleset, nor at SARE. It certainly seems worth testing

RE: TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden

2006-04-13 Thread JD Smith
So, what exactly is bayes poison? Best regards, JD Smith -Original Message- From: Magnus Holmgren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:58 AM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden I see a fair amount of spam using TEXTAREA

RE: TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden

2006-04-13 Thread Bowie Bailey
JD Smith wrote: So, what exactly is bayes poison? Bayes poison is a collection of random words or text selections that have nothing to do with the email subject and are only there in an attempt to confuse the Bayes database. This doesn't really work the way the spammers would like to think it

Re: TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden

2006-04-13 Thread Matt Kettler
Bowie Bailey wrote: JD Smith wrote: So, what exactly is bayes poison? Bayes poison is a collection of random words or text selections that have nothing to do with the email subject and are only there in an attempt to confuse the Bayes database. This doesn't really work the way the

Re: TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden

2006-04-13 Thread Matthias Keller
Matt Kettler wrote: Magnus Holmgren wrote: I see a fair amount of spam using TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden to hide bayes poison. Shouldn't a rule against that, or CSS-hidden text in general, be worthwile? I couldn't find any in the default 3.1.1 ruleset, nor at SARE

Re: TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden

2006-04-13 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 03:58:01PM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: I see a fair amount of spam using TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden to hide bayes poison. Shouldn't a rule against that, or CSS-hidden text in general, be worthwile? I couldn't find any in the default 3.1.1 ruleset, nor

Re: TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden

2006-04-13 Thread Matt Kettler
Matthias Keller wrote: Matt Kettler wrote: Magnus Holmgren wrote: I see a fair amount of spam using TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden to hide bayes poison. Shouldn't a rule against that, or CSS-hidden text in general, be worthwile? I couldn't find any in the default 3.1.1 ruleset, nor

Re: TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden

2006-04-13 Thread Matthias Keller
Matt Kettler wrote: Matthias Keller wrote: Matt Kettler wrote: Magnus Holmgren wrote: I see a fair amount of spam using TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden to hide bayes poison. Shouldn't a rule against that, or CSS-hidden text in general, be worthwile? I couldn't find any

Re: TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden

2006-04-13 Thread Kelson
Matthias Keller wrote: In my opinion you shouldn't limit it to textareas as I've seen them on DIVs and others too... So to me, any visibility:hidden or display:none is suspect as I dont see any legitimate use in emails Hmm... The main uses I can think of for display:none and

RE: TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden

2006-04-13 Thread Matthew.van.Eerde
Kelson wrote: (3) Scripting that will show and hide sections in response to time or user interaction. ... #3 shouldn't even be a consideration, since HTML-capable email clients should have scripting disabled for safety reasons. s/Scripting/CSS :hover/ is perfectly reasonable, though:

Re: TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden

2006-04-13 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 09:45:13AM -0700, Kelson wrote: Nope. No legit uses in email that I can think of. Just because you can't think of a use doesn't mean people don't use them. I see a lot of: div ... style=...; visibility: hidden; ... input ... style=display: none ... div ...

Re: TEXTAREA style=visibility: hidden

2006-04-13 Thread Kelson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: s/Scripting/CSS :hover/ is perfectly reasonable, though: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/menus/demo.html (doesn't work in IE 6, but works fine in Firefox, Safari, IE 7b2pr...) D'oh! I blame the coffee. There wasn't enough of it when I wrote my last post. On