Re: h j k l -- keys

2011-12-19 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 07:40, Marty Fried wrote: > One thing to keep in mind is that the ASCII codes were not really meant to > be something that the user typed in, they were *control codes* for > controlling printing and display.  But some of them were used by users > sometimes, and most users k

Re: h j k l -- keys

2011-12-18 Thread Marty Fried
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Charlie Kester wrote: > On 12/16/2011 09:35 PM, Marty Fried wrote: > > I have a slightly different theory... Ctrl-H is the ASCII backspace >> character, so it was chosen for back. Ctrl-J is the linefeed character, >> so it was chosen for down. Both of those mat

Re: h j k l -- keys

2011-12-18 Thread Charlie Kester
On 12/16/2011 09:35 PM, Marty Fried wrote: I have a slightly different theory... Ctrl-H is the ASCII backspace character, so it was chosen for back. Ctrl-J is the linefeed character, so it was chosen for down. Both of those match each other. The other two just happen to be nearby, so they we

Re: h j k l -- keys

2011-12-18 Thread Charlie Kester
On 12/16/2011 05:57 AM, Phil Dobbin wrote: On 16/12/11 13:42, "Sven Guckes" wrote: "you will be assimilated. resistance is futile." hehe I just commit the ultimate heresy& use the arrow keys. Lead him away ;-) I'll have to join you in the heretics prison. Not being a touch typist, I've

Re: h j k l -- keys

2011-12-17 Thread Joan Miquel Torres
Al 16/12/11 14:34, En/na rameo ha escrit: > I just want to know why Vim developers (and other software) have > chosen the "h j k l" keys for left, down, up and right and not the "j > k l ;" keys? I don't know the historycal reasons, but I can imagine the actual

Re: h j k l -- keys

2011-12-16 Thread Marty Fried
> Maybe I should argue that, 30 years or so ago, Vi should have used jklm instead of hjkl — > but I won't. At least the tails of j and k point in different directions. Good luck with your arguing. :) I have a slightly different theory... Ctrl-H is the ASCII backspace character, so it was chosen

Re: h j k l -- keys

2011-12-16 Thread Tony Mechelynck
On 16/12/11 14:34, rameo wrote: [...] I checked other national keyboards, they are almost all the same as the US keyboard. [...] Almost… but not exactly, even if we don't count Dvorak keyboards, which are vastly different. English-language keyboards are QWERTY, French-language keyboards are

Re: h j k l -- keys

2011-12-16 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 15:34, rameo wrote: > I just want to know why Vim developers (and other software) have > chosen the "h j k l" keys for left, down, up and right and not the "j > k l ;" keys? > > I type with ten fingers and with touch typing, the ri

Re: h j k l -- keys

2011-12-16 Thread George V. Reilly
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Kazuo Teramoto wrote: > > On 2011-12-16T13:26:22, Taylor Hedberg wrote: > >Sven Guckes, Fri 2011-12-16 @ 14:42:05+0100: > >> "because".  this happened long before vim - > >> when it has been "vi".  so.. around 1976.  Oh, Joy! > > > >If I remember correctly, Bill J

Re: h j k l -- keys

2011-12-16 Thread W E Brown
On Dec 16, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Taylor Hedberg wrote: > Sven Guckes, Fri 2011-12-16 @ 14:42:05+0100: >> "because". this happened long before vim - >> when it has been "vi". so.. around 1976. Oh, Joy! > > If I remember correctly, Bill Joy's terminal had no cursor keys, but the > H, J, K, and L key

Re: h j k l -- keys

2011-12-16 Thread Kazuo Teramoto
On 2011-12-16T13:26:22, Taylor Hedberg wrote: >Sven Guckes, Fri 2011-12-16 @ 14:42:05+0100: >> "because". this happened long before vim - >> when it has been "vi". so.. around 1976. Oh, Joy! > >If I remember correctly, Bill Joy's terminal had no cursor keys, but the >H, J, K, and L keys had arro

Re: h j k l -- keys

2011-12-16 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 16/12/11 13:42, "Sven Guckes" wrote: > "you will be assimilated. resistance is futile." hehe I just commit the ultimate heresy & use the arrow keys. Lead him away ;-) Cheers, Phil... -- Nothing to see here... move along, move along -- You received this message from the "vim_use" m

Re: h j k l -- keys

2011-12-16 Thread Taylor Hedberg
Sven Guckes, Fri 2011-12-16 @ 14:42:05+0100: > "because". this happened long before vim - > when it has been "vi". so.. around 1976. Oh, Joy! If I remember correctly, Bill Joy's terminal had no cursor keys, but the H, J, K, and L keys had arrows painted on them, hence the choice of movement com

Re: h j k l -- keys

2011-12-16 Thread Sven Guckes
* rameo [2011-12-16 14:35]: > I just want to know why Vim developers (and other > software) have chosen the "h j k l" keys for left, > down, up and right and not the "j k l ;" keys? "because". this happened long before vim - when it has been

h j k l -- keys

2011-12-16 Thread rameo
I just want to know why Vim developers (and other software) have chosen the "h j k l" keys for left, down, up and right and not the "j k l ;" keys? I type with ten fingers and with touch typing, the right hand is on the "j k l ;" keys. To go to "left" I