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--- Comment #37 from Phillip Patriakeas ---
(In reply to comment #35)
> Phillip: Wikimedia wikis now support Scribunto (cf.
> [[mw:Extension:Scribunto]])
> and Lua (cf. [[mw:Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual]]). This should
> provide rob
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Phillip: Wikimedia wikis now support Scribunto (cf. [[mw:Extension:Scribunto]])
and Lua (cf. [[mw:Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual]]). This should
provide robust string manipulation capability and reso
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--- Comment #33 from Phillip Patriakeas
2011-02-14 21:24:18 UTC ---
Template coders very heavily use transclusion as "part of the hidden logic" of
templates - there are things that are far cheaper and easier to do with a
transclusion than with
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--- Comment #32 from Bawolff 2011-02-14 21:05:22 UTC ---
Please, lets not turn this into a re-iteration of the 150 odd comments on bug
6455.
>(why it's expensive is a mystery, it should be much
>cheaper to find if something exists than to tran
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--- Comment #31 from Rich Farmbrough 2011-02-14
14:55:31 UTC ---
I find Mark's confusion only too understandable.
The thrust of the argument against providing extended parser functions (and
most other string handling possibilities) seems to b
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--- Comment #30 from Phillip Patriakeas
2011-02-12 06:14:20 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #28)
> But, MZ, I'm not sure how saying "StringFunctions isn't going to happen" is
> the
> same as saying "ParserFunctions can't fill the role". When yo
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--- Comment #29 from MZMcBride 2011-02-12 06:05:19 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #28)
> But, MZ, I'm not sure how saying "StringFunctions isn't going to happen" is
> the
> same as saying "ParserFunctions can't fill the role". When you say "oh,
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--- Comment #28 from Mark A. Hershberger 2011-02-12
05:58:51 UTC ---
But, MZ, I'm not sure how saying "StringFunctions isn't going to happen" is the
same as saying "ParserFunctions can't fill the role". When you say "oh, if we
can't have Stri
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--- Comment #27 from MZMcBride 2011-02-12 05:45:57 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #26)
> So it would help developers if it were made clearer here that the thing that
> is
> wanted is some features enabled or implemented in ParserFunctions, that
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--- Comment #26 from Mark A. Hershberger 2011-02-12
05:21:22 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #25)
> Please tell me you're joking...
Not joking, but, as MZ pointed out on IRC, I am ignorant.
It has only been dismissively mentioned here and media
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--- Comment #25 from Phillip Patriakeas
2011-02-12 04:56:23 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #24)
> Would the installation of
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions fix this?
Please tell me you're joking...
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--- Comment #22 from Alex Z. 2011-01-05 01:29:07 UTC ---
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> (In reply to comment #20)
> > I'm referring to the string hacks. I'm aware that the cite templates are
> > slow.
> > However, while the Obama article uses nea
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--- Comment #21 from MZMcBride 2011-01-05 01:21:18 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #20)
> I'm referring to the string hacks. I'm aware that the cite templates are slow.
> However, while the Obama article uses nearly 200 different templates, none o
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--- Comment #20 from Alex Z. 2011-01-05 01:12:34 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #19)
> (In reply to comment #18)
> > Has it actually been shown that the current hacks really are slow? They're
> > ugly
> > hacks, but that doesn't necessarily mean
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--- Comment #19 from MZMcBride 2011-01-05 00:24:58 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #18)
> Has it actually been shown that the current hacks really are slow? They're
> ugly
> hacks, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're actually slow in r
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--- Comment #18 from Alex Z. 2011-01-04 17:02:47 UTC ---
(mid-air collision with comment 17)
(In reply to comment #16)
> o Happy template writers
And non-template writers? Will they like it when already-complicated templates
get more complica
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--- Comment #17 from Happy-melon 2011-01-04 16:42:53 UTC
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> I have to agree with Aryeh, there was a pipe-dram about Lua. Now that's dead
> this needs escalating.
Escalation is the word, certainly... :P
> We cur
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--- Comment #15 from Aryeh Gregor 2011-01-03
23:47:59 UTC ---
The objection to Lua was not on the part of MediaWiki users. The objection was
that it would make Wikipedia content impossible to reuse on shared hosting,
since they can't install
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--- Comment #14 from Alex Z. 2011-01-03 23:43:36 UTC ---
I only see one person there (Robert Rohde, in comment 16) who could really be
described as an "end user" who was opposed to Lua. The others are either
developers or they're ambivalent abo
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--- Comment #13 from Kevin Norris 2011-01-03
20:28:36 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #12)
> (In reply to comment #10)
> > Well, basically we want StringFunctions, but the developers have said no, so
> > what we really want is something equivalen
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--- Comment #12 from Alex Z. 2011-01-03 16:29:37 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #10)
> Well, basically we want StringFunctions, but the developers have said no, so
> what we really want is something equivalent in power and speed to SF.
> Unfortu
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--- Comment #11 from MZMcBride 2011-01-03 07:29:30 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #10)
> Well, basically we want StringFunctions, but the developers have said no, so
> what we really want is something equivalent in power and speed to SF.
I think
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--- Comment #9 from Happy-melon 2010-12-29 00:49:38 UTC
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> I am going to regret asking this, but *exactly* which features do you want
> this
> to have?
As enwiki has demonstrated admirably with [[Category:String m
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--- Comment #8 from Phillip Patriakeas
2010-12-29 00:44:54 UTC ---
I'm really not sure - I was never heavily involved in templates that would have
benefited from string parsing myself (though most templates doing advanced
parsing would benefit
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--- Comment #6 from Phillip Patriakeas
2010-12-28 22:43:35 UTC ---
That may be; I'm not familiar with the product/component bug landscape, and
just filed this under the categorization that sounded most relevant.
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--- Comment #5 from Chad H. 2010-12-28 22:14:42 UTC
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This should go under extension requests then. Site requests are for
configuration changes, which this is not (since you're so clearly saying this
isn't a dupe of bug 6455)
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--- Comment #3 from MZMcBride 2010-11-24 20:56:31 UTC ---
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> I don't see why this isn't a duplicate of bug 6455. You're not going to get
> people turning stuff on when Tim's vetoed it, go ask Tim directly to
> reconsid
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--- Comment #1 from Max Semenik 2010-11-24 19:18:08 UTC
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Which of them do you want exactly (some functions can be implemented by using
other functions), and how EXACTLY is this bug different from bug 6455 other
than that it doesn't mention
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