Re: [Wikitech-l] Community Suggestions Regarding the Project

2014-12-04 Thread Ankita Shukla
Responding inline: Brian Wolff gmail.com> writes: > The most immediate thing that comes to mind is why create a new > interface where users can "add" words, instead of just scrapping > wiktionary? (I take it from your proposal you plan to create a new > project where users can submit words for c

[Wikitech-l] [x-post] Language Engineering IRC Office Hour on December 10, 2014 (Wednesday) at 1700 UTC

2014-12-04 Thread Runa Bhattacharjee
[x-posted announcement] Hello, Please save the date for the monthly IRC office hour of the Wikimedia Language Engineering team on Wednesday, December 10, 2014 at 1700 UTC on #wikimedia-office. Project updates will include information about the new version of Content Translation[1] and plans for t

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-04 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:08 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Chad wrote: >>Well that was a fun experiment for an hour. Turns out captchas do actually >>stop a non-zero amount of spam on non-test wikis. >> >>Mediawiki.org logs tell the story pretty clearly. >> >>This has been rolled back. > > :-( > > https:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-04 Thread Robert Rohde
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 8:08 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > > Robert, let me know if you want access on mediawiki.org to look at the > deleted edits, though they're quite boring. It wouldn't hurt to take a look. Though I suspect getting feedback from people who look at these things often would be more

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-04 Thread MZMcBride
Chad wrote: >Well that was a fun experiment for an hour. Turns out captchas do actually >stop a non-zero amount of spam on non-test wikis. > >Mediawiki.org logs tell the story pretty clearly. > >This has been rolled back. :-( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Log/delete I spent a bit of tim

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-04 Thread Robert Rohde
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Comet styles wrote: > Until they fix captcha or allow Global Filters to become truly global, > there will always be a risk of spambots. For someone who deals with > these on a regular basis and has been doing it for years, making the > Captcha system more friendly

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-04 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Comet styles wrote: > Until they fix captcha or allow Global Filters to become truly global, > there will always be a risk of spambots. For someone who deals with > these on a regular basis and has been doing it for years, making the > Captcha system more friendly t

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-04 Thread Helder .
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:27 PM, svetlana wrote: > I like how my message to try abandoning captcha entirely came up with a > myriad of complaints how we can be smart, enable new captcha which is unique, > etc. > > Let's measure the impact. > > Could someone kindly please do some metrics on these

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-04 Thread Chad
On Thu Dec 04 2014 at 2:45:39 PM Chris Steipp wrote: > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Chad wrote: > > On Wed Dec 03 2014 at 8:18:53 PM MZMcBride wrote: > > > >> svetlana wrote: > >> >On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 15:02, MZMcBride wrote: > >> >> > >> >> We disabled the CAPTCHA entirely on test.wikiped

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-04 Thread Comet styles
Until they fix captcha or allow Global Filters to become truly global, there will always be a risk of spambots. For someone who deals with these on a regular basis and has been doing it for years, making the Captcha system more friendly to users also means making it more 'friendly' to spam bot mast

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-04 Thread svetlana
Steven Walling wrote: > There are about a million IP edits a month on English Wikipedia alone, last > time we checked.[1] If we increased anonymous bot spam by even only 1/10th > of the total number of edits before we managed to put IP blocks in place, > that's still 100k edits worth of spam. That

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-04 Thread Chris Steipp
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Chad wrote: > On Wed Dec 03 2014 at 8:18:53 PM MZMcBride wrote: > >> svetlana wrote: >> >On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 15:02, MZMcBride wrote: >> >> >> >> We disabled the CAPTCHA entirely on test.wikipedia.org a few weeks ago. >> >> The wiki seems to be about the same. It

Re: [Wikitech-l] Which old RFCs to discuss on next week's RFC chat

2014-12-04 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 04.12.2014 22:46, schrieb Chad: > On Thu Dec 04 2014 at 1:41:43 PM Daniel Kinzler > wrote: > >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/ >> Drop_actions_in_favour_of_page_views_and_special_pages >> >> This is a proposal to move away from action= in favor of Special pages. >> Perhap

Re: [Wikitech-l] Which old RFCs to discuss on next week's RFC chat

2014-12-04 Thread Chad
On Thu Dec 04 2014 at 1:41:43 PM Daniel Kinzler wrote: > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/ > Drop_actions_in_favour_of_page_views_and_special_pages > > This is a proposal to move away from action= in favor of Special pages. > Perhaps > obsolete, since action handling was rewrit

[Wikitech-l] Which old RFCs to discuss on next week's RFC chat

2014-12-04 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Hi all! The Architecture Committee, and especially Tim, has been going through the RFC backlog over the last moths. Many where discussed at the weekly RFC chat on Wednesdays, and most of these were resolved. But there are some rather old RFCs left, for which it's a bit unclear whether anyone is st

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Ops] [Gerrit] Emit alert when Ori commits on a weekend - change (operations/puppet)

2014-12-04 Thread Adam Wight
Thanks for all your outstanding work, Ori! This one was so fantastic I had to forward a bit... at least you can admit you have a problem :p -Adam -- Forwarded message -- From: Ori.livneh (Code Review) Date: Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:55 AM Subject: [Ops] [Gerrit] Emit alert when Ori

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension:Echo, writing the new Formatter

2014-12-04 Thread Yury Katkov
Thank you so much guys, now it's clear! - Yury Katkov On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bartosz DziewoƄski wrote: > On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:56:27 +0100, Erik Bernhardson < > ebernhard...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > I'm not aware of any list anywhere that summarizes the possible query >> parame

Re: [Wikitech-l] All non-api traffic is now served by HHVM

2014-12-04 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
This deserves a 1 meter barnstar to Alex, Giuseppe and Yuvi! The impact is so visible on * the last three graphs at https://gdash.wikimedia.org/dashboards/editpage/ and * the last four at https://gdash.wikimedia.org/dashboards/totalphp/ , that one tends to suspect an error in the graphs. Nemo