Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-25 Thread Alex Brollo
It could frequently come out a big problem of collisions with existing templates with different code. I feel that synonimous templates, with different features, are a very subtle and harmful touble. This raises the long-standing problem of "redundancy and coherence" so deeply afflicting anything in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-25 Thread Petr Kadlec
On 25 August 2011 10:47, Andre Engels wrote: >> But the problem is more difficult than that. MediaWiki has no chance >> of knowing which templates are “necessary for it to work properly”, it >> can only detect those that are _actually used_ in a specific use case >> (as you say, those which are sh

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-25 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Petr Kadlec wrote: > You mean like… checking the “Include templates” box on Special:Export? > I guess that's what I mean, it's been a few years since I last saw Special:Export - long enough that I have no idea whether that box is from before or after that time.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-25 Thread Petr Kadlec
On 25 August 2011 08:28, Andre Engels wrote: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, go moko wrote: >> So, if I can express some simple opinion, perhaps what would be useful is a >> mean to easily export/import a template and all those which are necessary >> for it to work properly. >> I don't know i

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-24 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, go moko wrote: > So, if I can express some simple opinion, perhaps what would be useful is a > mean to easily export/import a template and all those which are necessary > for it to work properly. > I don't know if such a tool exist, but could it bea (partial) so

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-24 Thread Krinkle
Note that things like {{Cite}} and {{trim}} should probably be an extension that adds a parser function, not a template. Although the overlap between extensions adding parser functions and and templates getting tighter with WikiScripts, in general templates are for re-used wikitext and formatting.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Alex Brollo
IMHO, the idea of a decent set of common, shared, english-named, standard templates is really a a good one. Noone have nothing against the fact that reserved words of any programming language is english-named and standard. I presume, that many of existing templates aren't used into ns0 or other c

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Fred Bauder
> > So, if I can express some simple opinion, perhaps what would be useful is > a mean to easily export/import a template and all those which are > necessary for it to work properly. > I don't know if such a tool exist, but could it bea (partial) solution? > > G. Moko > (Forgive my poor english...

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread go moko
- Original Message - > From: Sumurai8 (DD) > To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 11:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library > >> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Max Semenik > wrote

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Fred Bauder
>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Max Semenik >> wrote: >>> On 20.08.2011, 22:23 Martijn wrote: >>> On wikimedia projects that are not Wikipedia (Wikia in specific comes to mind) I often find myself using templates that have not been defined on that installation. The English Wikip

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Sumurai8 (DD)
> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Max Semenik wrote: >> On 20.08.2011, 22:23 Martijn wrote: >> >>> On wikimedia projects that are not Wikipedia (Wikia in specific comes >>> to mind) I often find myself using templates that have not been >>> defined on that installation. The English Wikipedia (whi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Fred Bauder
> On 20 August 2011 21:01, Jay Ashworth wrote: > >> +25.  I had to pull the book citation template out of Wikipedia to use >> it >> on a Wikia site, and it was a 2 hour process. > > > Yes. Speaking as a MediaWiki tarball user (at work), this doesn't > require a fork (as Fred contemplates) - it ju

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread David Gerard
On 20 August 2011 21:01, Jay Ashworth wrote: > +25.  I had to pull the book citation template out of Wikipedia to use it > on a Wikia site, and it was a 2 hour process. Yes. Speaking as a MediaWiki tarball user (at work), this doesn't require a fork (as Fred contemplates) - it just needs an ext

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
2011/8/20 Łukasz Garczewski : > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Martijn Hoekstra > wrote: >> On wikimedia projects that are not Wikipedia (Wikia in specific comes >> to mind) I often find myself using templates that have not been >> defined on that installation. The English Wikipedia (which I am

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Martijn Hoekstra" > On wikimedia projects that are not Wikipedia (Wikia in specific comes > to mind) I often find myself using templates that have not been > defined on that installation. The English Wikipedia (which I am most > familiar with) has many very u

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Łukasz Garczewski
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: > On wikimedia projects that are not Wikipedia (Wikia in specific comes > to mind) I often find myself using templates that have not been > defined on that installation. The English Wikipedia (which I am most > familiar with) has many very

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Max Semenik wrote: > On 20.08.2011, 22:23 Martijn wrote: > >> On wikimedia projects that are not Wikipedia (Wikia in specific comes >> to mind) I often find myself using templates that have not been >> defined on that installation. The English Wikipedia (which I am

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2011/8/20 Max Semenik : > Don't forget, English is one of 300-something languages we support. > And users of other languages typically don't feel comfortable with > using English templates, because words like "cite book", "author" and > "link" are meaningless to them. Translating the templates' na

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Max Semenik
On 20.08.2011, 22:23 Martijn wrote: > On wikimedia projects that are not Wikipedia (Wikia in specific comes > to mind) I often find myself using templates that have not been > defined on that installation. The English Wikipedia (which I am most > familiar with) has many very usefull templates, esp

[Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and a standard template library

2011-08-20 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On wikimedia projects that are not Wikipedia (Wikia in specific comes to mind) I often find myself using templates that have not been defined on that installation. The English Wikipedia (which I am most familiar with) has many very usefull templates, especially the {{citeFoo}} templates, but numero