[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Scalability/performance

2007-06-23 Thread Anton B. Rang
> Nothing sucks more than your "redundant" disk array > losing more disks than it can support and you lose all your data > anyway. You'd be better off doing a giant non-parity stripe and dumping to > tape on a regular basis. ;) Anyone who isn't dumping to tape (or some other reliable and [b]off-s

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Scalability/performance

2007-06-23 Thread Anton B. Rang
> Oliver Schinagl wrote: > > zo basically, what you are saying is that on FBSD there's no performane > > issue, whereas on solaris there (can be if write caches aren't enabled) > > Solaris plays it safe by default. You can, of course, override that safety. FreeBSD plays it safe too. It's just t

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs space efficiency

2007-06-23 Thread Will Murnane
On 6/23/07, Erik Trimble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Matthew Ahrens wrote: Basically, the descriptions of Copy on Write. Or does this apply only to Snapshots? My original understanding was that CoW applied whenever you were making a duplicate of an existing file. CoW happens all the time. If

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs space efficiency

2007-06-23 Thread Erik Trimble
Matthew Ahrens wrote: Erik Trimble wrote: Under ZFS, any equivalent to 'cp A B' takes up no extra space. The metadata is updated so that B points to the blocks in A. Should anyone begin writing to B, only the updated blocks are added on disk, with the metadata for B now containing the proper

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs space efficiency

2007-06-23 Thread Darren Dunham
> if i have one large datafile on zfs, make a snapshot from that zfs fs > holding it and then overwrting that file by a newer version with > slight differences inside - what about the real disk consumption on > the zfs side ? If all the blocks are rewritten, then they're all new blocks as far as Z

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs space efficiency

2007-06-23 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Erik Trimble wrote: roland wrote: hello ! i think of using zfs for backup purpose of large binary data files (i.e. vmware vm`s, oracle database) and want to rsync them in regular interval from other systems to one central zfs system with compression on. i`d like to have historical versions

[zfs-discuss] Re: zfs space efficiency

2007-06-23 Thread roland
>So, in your case, you get maximum >space efficiency, where only the new blocks are stored, and the old >blocks simply are referenced. so - i assume that whenever some block is read from file A and written unchanged to file B, zfs recognizes this and just creates a new reference to file A ? tha

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs space efficiency

2007-06-23 Thread Erik Trimble
roland wrote: hello ! i think of using zfs for backup purpose of large binary data files (i.e. vmware vm`s, oracle database) and want to rsync them in regular interval from other systems to one central zfs system with compression on. i`d like to have historical versions and thus want to make

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS delegation script

2007-06-23 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 12:31:28PM -0500, Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 12:18:05PM -0500, Nicolas Williams wrote: > > Couldn't wait for ZFS delegation, so I cobbled something together; see > > attachment. > > I forgot to slap on the CDDL header... And I forgot to add a -p opti

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS delegation script

2007-06-23 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 12:18:05PM -0500, Nicolas Williams wrote: > Couldn't wait for ZFS delegation, so I cobbled something together; see > attachment. I forgot to slap on the CDDL header... #!/bin/ksh # # CDDL HEADER START # # The contents of this file are subject to the terms of the # Common De

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs receive

2007-06-23 Thread michael schuster
Russell Aspinwall wrote: Hi, As part of a disk subsystem upgrade I am thinking of using ZFS but there are two issues at present 1) The current filesystems are mounted as /hostname/mountpoint except for one directory where the mount point is /. Is is possible to mount a ZFS filesystem as /h

[zfs-discuss] ZFS delegation script

2007-06-23 Thread Nicolas Williams
Couldn't wait for ZFS delegation, so I cobbled something together; see attachment. Nico -- #!/bin/ksh ARG0=$0 PROG=${0##*/} OIFS="$IFS" # grep -q rocks, but it lives in xpg4... OPATH=$PATH PATH=/usr/xpg4/bin:/bin:/sbin # Configuration (see usage message below) # # This is really based on how a

RE: [zfs-discuss] Re: Slow write speed to ZFS pool (via NFS)

2007-06-23 Thread Paul Fisher
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Thomas Garner > > So it is expected behavior on my Nexenta alpha 7 server for Sun's nfsd > to stop responding after 2 hours of running a bittorrent client over > nfs4 from a linux client, causing zfs snapshots to hang and requi

[zfs-discuss] zfs receive

2007-06-23 Thread Russell Aspinwall
Hi, As part of a disk subsystem upgrade I am thinking of using ZFS but there are two issues at present 1) The current filesystems are mounted as  /hostname/mountpoint except for one directory where the mount point is /.    Is is possible to mount a ZFS filesystem as /hostname// so that /ho

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Slow write speed to ZFS pool (via NFS)

2007-06-23 Thread Thomas Garner
So it is expected behavior on my Nexenta alpha 7 server for Sun's nfsd to stop responding after 2 hours of running a bittorrent client over nfs4 from a linux client, causing zfs snapshots to hang and requiring a hard reboot to get the world back in order? Thomas There is no NFS over ZFS issue (

[zfs-discuss] zfs space efficiency

2007-06-23 Thread roland
hello ! i think of using zfs for backup purpose of large binary data files (i.e. vmware vm`s, oracle database) and want to rsync them in regular interval from other systems to one central zfs system with compression on. i`d like to have historical versions and thus want to make a snapshot befor