[Zope-CMF] Re: Plone participation in the CMF list

2005-08-02 Thread Rob Miller
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 2 Aug 2005, at 13:27, Florent Guillaume wrote: Tres Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the discussion around Archetypes, in particular, ended up stalled over the question of whether to "code generation" design should be preferred over "configuration-based" de

[Zope-CMF] Re: Plone participation in the CMF list

2005-08-02 Thread Rob Miller
Florent Guillaume wrote: Tres Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the discussion around Archetypes, in particular, ended up stalled over the question of whether to "code generation" design should be preferred over "configuration-based" design (as found in CPSSchemas, for instance). Al

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.5.3 beta?

2005-08-02 Thread Rob Miller
Florent Guillaume wrote: However I'd like to urge the "Plone guys" (95% of which don't bother to read or post in this list) count me among the "plone guys" who lurk on this list... and among the growing pool of reasonable folks who will advocate for and work towards convergence. -r __

[Zope-CMF] RFC: Flon functionality ported to CMF?

2005-08-26 Thread Rob Miller
sidnei has written an excellent product called Flon (i.e. Five for Plone) which provides a user interface for examining the Z3 interfaces that an object may have, and for assigning marker interfaces to particular content instances. whit morriss has written a PLIP (http://plone.org/products/plo

[Zope-CMF] backporting GenericSetup to CMF-1.5

2005-11-11 Thread Rob Miller
hi all, those of us planning out the next Plone releases are in a bit of a bind. we really want to make use of GenericSetup's newer Z3-interface-based means of defining import and export handlers, so that we can start work on rewriting our migration engine to use XML import and export, and so

[Zope-CMF] Re: backporting GenericSetup to CMF-1.5

2005-11-12 Thread Rob Miller
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 12 Nov 2005, at 09:04, yuppie wrote: A CMF 1.6 release that requires Zope 2.8 and essentially bundles CMF 1.5 with GenericSetup 2.0 (and compatible CMF setup handlers) might be a good idea. Yes, that's a good idea. It certainly can't go directly in the strictly-

[Zope-CMF] Re: backporting GenericSetup to CMF-1.5

2005-11-12 Thread Rob Miller
Florent Guillaume wrote: +1 on branching CMF 1.6 soon, with the goal of: - dropping support for Zope 2.7 - allowing Five 1.2 events activated to work, even if it doesn't *require* Five 1.2 events - be closer to CMF 2.0 w.r.t. setup. this is perfect for us. there doesn't really need t

[Zope-CMF] Re: backporting GenericSetup to CMF-1.5

2005-11-14 Thread Rob Miller
Florent Guillaume wrote: Rob Miller wrote: Florent Guillaume wrote: +1 on branching CMF 1.6 soon, with the goal of: - dropping support for Zope 2.7 - allowing Five 1.2 events activated to work, even if it doesn't *require* Five 1.2 events - be closer to CMF 2.0 w.r.t. setup.

[Zope-CMF] CMF-1.6 branch created (was Re: backporting GenericSetup to CMF-1.5)

2005-11-14 Thread Rob Miller
yuppie wrote: I would not like to do this work on different branches, but if GenericSetup is a SVN external or if someone else does the merging I'm fine with creating the 1.6 branch earlier. Anyway I don't think 1.6 can be released before 2.0. okay, i've created a CMF-1.6 branch that has bran

[Zope-CMF] Re: backporting GenericSetup to CMF-1.5

2005-11-14 Thread Rob Miller
Florent Guillaume wrote: To repost an earlier mail: The patch I propose to include is: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-checkins/2005-November/007137.html Could some Plone folks please test that switching to CMF/branches/efge-1.5-five-compatible instead of CMF/branches/1.5 doesn't cause prob

[Zope-CMF] Re: backporting GenericSetup to CMF-1.5

2005-11-15 Thread Rob Miller
Raphael Ritz wrote: Rob Miller wrote: [..] to be fair, AT's (un)indexing code is a mess... i tried to change the BaseFolderMixin manage_(after|before)* methods so they explicitly call the PortalFolder implementations and was still ending up w/ subobject orphans left in the catalog

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF-1.6 branch created (was Re: backporting GenericSetup to CMF-1.5)

2005-11-15 Thread Rob Miller
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 14 Nov 2005, at 22:28, Rob Miller wrote: okay, i've created a CMF-1.6 branch that has branched everything from CMF-1.5 with the exception of CMFSetup and GenericSetup, which are svn:externals from the CMF trunk. note that i've haven't actua

[Zope-CMF] Re: backporting GenericSetup to CMF-1.5

2005-11-15 Thread Rob Miller
Raphael Ritz wrote: <--SNIP--> Now my questions: is the outline given above correct? At least w.r.t. the big picute? in a general sense, i think yes. If so: Having this in place shouldn't this allow for easy extension to multiple catalogs (like the uid or reference catalogs from AT) by sim

[Zope-CMF] Re: backporting GenericSetup to CMF-1.5

2005-11-15 Thread Rob Miller
Florent Guillaume wrote: Rob Miller wrote: CatalogMultiplex is a subclass of CMFCatalogAware which overrides the (un/re)indexObject methods to perform operations in multiple catalogs, if necessary. your patch changes CMFCatalogAware's manage_before* and manage_after* methods so th

[Zope-CMF] GenericSetup-based installation backport mostly complete

2005-11-16 Thread Rob Miller
i managed to get the lion's share of the GenericSetup-based installation backported to the 1.6 branch tonight. the unit tests need to be fixed up, and i haven't done anything with the CMFTopic extension profile yet, but it is possible to add a functional CMF site TTW. i'll work on getting the

[Zope-CMF] Re: GenericSetup-based installation backport mostly complete

2005-11-16 Thread Rob Miller
yuppie wrote: Hi Rob! Rob Miller wrote: i managed to get the lion's share of the GenericSetup-based installation backported to the 1.6 branch tonight. the unit tests need to be fixed up, and i haven't done anything with the CMFTopic extension profile yet, but it is possibl

[Zope-CMF] Re: GenericSetup-based installation backport mostly complete

2005-11-16 Thread Rob Miller
Florent Guillaume wrote: Rob Miller wrote: 1.) Please subscribe to the CMF-checkins list. This way your checkins will show up in that list and additional eyes can see them. urgh. i have to subscribe? i use gmane to follow all of the lists... *sigh* You can subscribe and then change the

[Zope-CMF] Re: GenericSetup-based installation backport mostly complete

2005-11-17 Thread Rob Miller
yuppie wrote: Hi Rob! Rob Miller wrote: yuppie wrote: 2.) Please set svn:keywords Id on new python files. /me reads svn docs to learn about svn:keywords. The easiest way to make sure they are set is to modify your svn config. You might need something like this:: [miscellany

[Zope-CMF] Re: Test broken on 1.6 branch

2005-11-19 Thread Rob Miller
i sent this message about 12 hours ago, via gmane, but i haven't seen it come through yet, am resending. apologies if it shows up twice. Florent Guillaume wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: Note that the current breakage on the 1.6 branch is the kind of stuff that made me reluctant to borrow the trun

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMFSetup, getting started

2005-11-19 Thread Rob Miller
Rocky Burt wrote: I forgot to mention that I'm trying to get started with CMFSetup in CMF 1.5 as my current deployment platform happens to be Plone 2.1.1. Hopefully most of CMFSetup's (from CMF 1.5) functionality is migratable into CMF 2.0. the CMF 1.5 CMFSetup spellings will work on CMF 2.

[Zope-CMF] CMF 1.6 update

2005-11-19 Thread Rob Miller
okay, brent hendricks and i managed to put a few more hours into CMF 1.6 today. here's an update: - ActionsTool import node now purges auto-created actions and correctly reads in a CMF 1.5 syntax actions.xml file, creating old style actions, w/ a GenericSetup style importer - the backwards-

[Zope-CMF] Re: Test broken on 1.6 branch

2005-11-20 Thread Rob Miller
Florent Guillaume wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: Note that the current breakage on the 1.6 branch is the kind of stuff that made me reluctant to borrow the trunk's CMFSetup/GenericSetup. In this case, it isn't really fair to complain about the test breakage, in that the whole point of the branch is

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 update

2005-11-22 Thread Rob Miller
Rob Miller wrote: the following is still to be accomplished: - need to readd the PortalGenerator portal creation mechanism for CMFDefault.Portal, for backwards compatibility this is done. the unit test is still failing, however. for some reason, in

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 update

2005-11-22 Thread Rob Miller
Rob Miller wrote: - i've removed the CMFTopic setup stuff from the default profile, but have not yet replaced it with the extension profile in the CMFTopic product; for this reason CMFTopic unit tests are broken urgh... CMFTopic tests are passing as reported, but forgot to mention that

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 update

2005-11-22 Thread Rob Miller
Florent Guillaume wrote: Rob Miller wrote: - need to readd the PortalGenerator portal creation mechanism for CMFDefault.Portal, for backwards compatibility this is done. the unit test is still failing, however. for some reason, in CMFDefault.tests.test_Portal.CMFSiteTests, globals

[Zope-CMF] problems w/ 'File' type in CMF 1.6

2005-11-28 Thread Rob Miller
howdy, in trying to get Plone working against the 1.6 branch i've come across some problems w/ the way that CMFDefault.File.File is working since the base classes have been reordered. the biggest problem has to do w/ the default view lookup. when OFS.Image.File was the first base class, the

[Zope-CMF] Re: problems w/ 'File' type in CMF 1.6

2005-11-29 Thread Rob Miller
Florent Guillaume wrote: Rob Miller wrote: in trying to get Plone working against the 1.6 branch i've come across some problems w/ the way that CMFDefault.File.File is working since the base classes have been reordered. the biggest problem has to do w/ the default view lookup.

[Zope-CMF] Re: GenericSetup pretty XML

2005-12-14 Thread Rob Miller
Florent Guillaume wrote: Can I fix the "pretty" xml exporter to use standard identing? (2 spaces for tags, 4 for attributes) +1. ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.z

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-20 Thread Rob Miller
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 20 Dec 2005, at 19:53, yuppie wrote: The intention was to make things consistent. CMF 1.5 and CMF 2.0 have different ways to register custom type info classes. Before that change both machineries were broken on the 1.6 branch because they were merged in an insane

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-21 Thread Rob Miller
apologies in advance for not engaging this conversation as deeply as i'd like to... i'm under the gun to get something done before leaving tomorrow for a brief holiday, back on the 29th. Jens Vagelpohl wrote: I don't quite understand the distinction between "compatible with products written f

[Zope-CMF] removed meta_type attribute from type info classes

2005-12-29 Thread Rob Miller
hi all, yuppie, in the following change: http://svn.zope.org/CMF/branches/1.6/CMFCore/TypesTool.py?rev=40360&r1=40267&r2=40360 you removed the 'meta_type' attribute from the FactoryTypeInformation and ScriptableTypeInformation classes. i see that this matches similar changes made at the same

[Zope-CMF] changing typeinfo_name behaviour in CMF 1.6

2005-12-30 Thread Rob Miller
currently, in the TypesTool.manage_addTypeInformation method in CMF 1.6, if a typeinfo_name argument is passed in and the corresponding fti is not found in the results of listDefaultTypeInformation, an error is raised. in CMF 2.0, this argument is ignored completely. in 1.6, some types will b

[Zope-CMF] Re: removed meta_type attribute from type info classes

2005-12-30 Thread Rob Miller
howdy! yuppie wrote: But there is an issue with unit tests: The PlacelessSetup tear down removes the 'meta_type' attribute, no matter if it was added by five:registerClass or if it existed before. If an other test that doesn't use PlacelessSetup tries to access FactoryTypeInformation.meta_typ

[Zope-CMF] Re: [z3-five] Re: CMFonFive and CMF 1.6

2006-01-04 Thread Rob Miller
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 1/4/06, Rob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: urgh. this isn't ideal for Plone. i'm assuming you've hit some specific problems w/ getting the current CMFonFive code to support both 2.8 and 2.9? can you provide a little more detail re: the comp

[Zope-CMF] Re: [z3-five] Re: CMFonFive and CMF 1.6

2006-01-05 Thread Rob Miller
Lennart Regebro wrote: this makes sense. i'm -1 on the final CMFonFive piece landing in CMF 1.6 itself, though. the original scope for CMF 1.6 was "CMF 1.5 + GenericSetup", i don't see a compelling reason to complicate things by expanding that scope. if CMFonFive stays separate, then you can c

[Zope-CMF] Re: [z3-five] Re: CMFonFive and CMF 1.6

2006-01-05 Thread Rob Miller
Lennart Regebro wrote: And CMF 1.6 already has more changes that just GenericSetup, some of which are already causing me other headaches. which are these? the most significant changes are in the TypesTool, and this was done in order to achieve more parity btn the 1.6 and 2.0 site creation co

[Zope-CMF] Re: RFC: backporting including python-package-product support to support Zope 2.8

2006-01-16 Thread Rob Miller
i'm -1 for expending extra effort to get this working on Zope 2.8. new features should arrive w/ new versions. Plone 2.5 will require CMF-1.6, which will work w/ both Z2.8 and Z2.9. those who want this feature can run Plone on Z2.9, no prob. i'd much rather see us focus our efforts on getti

[Zope-CMF] Re: RFC: backporting including python-package-product support to support Zope 2.8

2006-01-17 Thread Rob Miller
Martin Aspeli wrote: The broader point is we wouldn't really need it yet - we don't have any code that actually uses these new features, and plenty of code that may be broken by changes in CMF 2. All in good time - of course, if you want to help work on CMF 2.0 compatability for the 2.5 bran

[Zope-CMF] Re: purging of actions in CMF 1.6

2006-01-19 Thread Rob Miller
Florent Guillaume wrote: It seems that an extension profile can't add actions to an action provide in CMF 1.6. Or, rather, if you do it all previous actions are erased. The actions exportimport code has: def _initProviders(self, node): ... # delete any actions that a

[Zope-CMF] Re: GenericSetup doc

2006-01-26 Thread Rob Miller
hi all! and great document, florent... thanks! yuppie wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: The use case was that, over time, an import step might be updated. If you had installed your site before the update, then your configuration might also need to be updated. I first was confused by these sentence

[Zope-CMF] RFC: PAS and the (non?) future of members

2006-02-02 Thread Rob Miller
hi all, i'm wondering if it's not time to rethink the entire idea of members as they currently exist in CMF. members were originally a necessary evil, because the user folder implementation of users didn't allow for enough flexibility to support CMF's needs. now, however, PAS makes it possible t

[Zope-CMF] Re: RFC: PAS and the (non?) future of members

2006-02-02 Thread Rob Miller
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:14:15 +, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: > On 2 Feb 2006, at 15:35, Rob Miller wrote: >> even if the content-based plug-ins are not desireable, i think it's >> still >> worth investigating the use of PAS and the idea of deprecating the >> member/

[Zope-CMF] Re: Re: RFC: PAS and the (non?) future of members

2006-02-02 Thread Rob Miller
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:33:49 +, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: > On 2 Feb 2006, at 23:01, Rob Miller wrote: >> On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:14:15 +, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: >>> It does sound interesting, unless the user folder all of a sudden gets >>> overloaded with all kinds o

[Zope-CMF] Re: Re: Re: RFC: PAS and the (non?) future of members

2006-02-02 Thread Rob Miller
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:38:07 +, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: > > On 3 Feb 2006, at 00:31, Rob Miller wrote: >>> I mean sticking Plone-only stuff onto something that's a simple user >>> folder and should be completely agnostic of how it is used. >> >> oh, i se

[Zope-CMF] Re: RFC: PAS and the (non?) future of members

2006-02-03 Thread Rob Miller
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 07:04:30 +0100, robert rottermann wrote: > rob, > we German native speakers are used to word our opinions much more directly > that Americans. > I believe for a German speaker there is not a trace of insult in what jens > expressed. understood. i'm sorry for overreacting. i g

[Zope-CMF] Re: RFC: PAS and the (non?) future of members

2006-02-03 Thread Rob Miller
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:48:40 +0100, robert rottermann wrote: > Rob, > > we are in the midst off creating a Zope/Plone structure for a cluster of > Universities here in Switzerland. > I have been using CMF-Member in a number of sites and have never been > happy with it. This stems mainly from the f

[Zope-CMF] using GenericSetup to add non-content objects

2006-02-22 Thread Rob Miller
hi, i'm trying to use GenericSetup to add tool-like objects to my site at creation time. i say "tool-like" because the objects in question (RAM and HTTP cache managers) act as tools, but they have constructors that require additional arguments... the current tool.py importer assumes that the cons

[Zope-CMF] Re: using GenericSetup to add non-content objects

2006-02-22 Thread Rob Miller
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:05:53 +0100, Olivier Grisel wrote: > Rob Miller a écrit : >> hi, >> >> i'm trying to use GenericSetup to add tool-like objects to my site at >> creation time. i say "tool-like" because the objects in question (RAM >> and

[Zope-CMF] Re: using GenericSetup to add non-content objects

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Miller
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:59:33 -0500, Tres Seaver wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > yuppie wrote: >> RAM and HTTP cache managers just require the object id as argument. +1 >> for fixing this id issue in the toolset handler. >> >> But everything else like titles are proper

[Zope-CMF] Re: Fighting the Zope 2.9 testrunner

2006-03-20 Thread Rob Miller
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm working on CMFCalendar and running the tests out of the instance home like this: bin/zopectl test -m CMFCalendar -vv This runs tests, according to the output, but apparently not how or where I think it should. No .pyc f

[Zope-CMF] Re: Views not found

2006-03-28 Thread Rob Miller
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm currently going through CMFCalendar to give it the full viewification/interfaces/etc treatment Yvo and Tres already did for CMFDefault. I'm getting pretty close, but trying to stitch in the views leads to NotFound errors:

[Zope-CMF] Re: GenericSetup: purging steps on new base profile

2006-03-28 Thread Rob Miller
hi all, i'm picking up a thread from january that sort of petered out... yuppie wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: Florent Guillaume wrote: Because the "current base profile id" is not stored, there's no way to do detect the change to a different base profile. Should I store that property to allow for

[Zope-CMF] trouble applying extension profiles

2006-03-28 Thread Rob Miller
maybe i'm missing something fundamental, but i'm having trouble figuring out how i'm supposed to apply extension profiles to my site. the intended mechanism is clear enough; set the active configuration to be the desired profile and then execute runAllImportSteps on the setup tool. the appare

[Zope-CMF] Re: trouble applying extension profiles

2006-03-29 Thread Rob Miller
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29 Mar 2006, at 08:25, Rob Miller wrote: my base profile is a default Plone site, which does a bunch of configuration and adds a few pieces of content using the "structure" folder mechanism that is supported by

[Zope-CMF] Re: trouble applying extension profiles

2006-03-29 Thread Rob Miller
yuppie wrote: Hi Rob! Rob Miller wrote: - allow extension profiles to specify which of the base profile's import steps they depend on, so that only these can be run, instead of the current situation where, AFAICT, you have to either run them all or manually examine the profile and selec

[Zope-CMF] Re: trouble applying extension profiles

2006-03-29 Thread Rob Miller
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29 Mar 2006, at 11:09, Rob Miller wrote: this changes some unit test results, and i need to write another test or two, but it's time for bed. if this seems a reasonable approach i'll finish it up and commit t

[Zope-CMF] Re: trouble applying extension profiles

2006-03-31 Thread Rob Miller
Rob Miller wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: There's a bug filed already: http://www.zope.org/Collectors/CMF/404 I have asked Tres to look at it since he did most of the content-related stuff but haven't heard from him. If you know a solution, by all means, go for it. okay, i

[Zope-CMF] Re: trouble applying extension profiles

2006-03-31 Thread Rob Miller
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 3/31/06, Rob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i've committed this on the 1.6 branch. this is a pretty significant change in behaviour. before, a reimport would delete EVERYTHING that was not explicitly protected by the ".preserve" file of

[Zope-CMF] Re: trouble applying extension profiles

2006-04-01 Thread Rob Miller
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 i've committed this on the 1.6 branch. Rob, I didn't get any commit message email and a quick look at svn.zope.org doesn't show any recent changes on the 1.6 branch in the last 3 weeks? that's what happens when you try to

[Zope-CMF] Re: trouble applying extension profiles

2006-04-02 Thread Rob Miller
Rob Miller wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 i've committed this on the 1.6 branch. Rob, I didn't get any commit message email and a quick look at svn.zope.org doesn't show any recent changes on the 1.6 branch in the last 3 weeks

[Zope-CMF] failing unit tests on trunk and 2.0 branch

2006-04-04 Thread Rob Miller
when running the unit tests after porting my content import stuff to 2.0 and the trunk, with a week-or-so-old Z2.9 checkout, i get 1 failure and 28 errors. i reverted my changes and verified that the failures were there already, so i'm still going to commit. i don't have time to dig in to thi

[Zope-CMF] Re: Plone CatalogTool behavioural change in 2.5

2006-04-23 Thread Rob Miller
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23 Apr 2006, at 21:07, Wichert Akkerman wrote: On the 1.6 branch you have both in place: the _initIndexes method on the CatalogTool, but also the GenericSetup-based way of index creation. So instead of reverting your chang

[Zope-CMF] Re: GS catalog support

2006-05-10 Thread Rob Miller
yuppie wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: It seems GS doesn't have its own list so I'm posting this here - all the relevant people are here anyway :) I'm working on GenericSetup support for a number of packages from the Plone 2.5 bundle but I'm running into a bit of a limitation

[Zope-CMF] GenericSetup: one object -> mulitple files

2006-05-15 Thread Rob Miller
i've been doing a bit of Plone-related hacking around in GenericSetup recently, and have hit a bit of a snag because the current export mechanism seems to be pretty tightly married to the idea that a single object in the ZODB is going to only produce a single file in the exported profile. this

[Zope-CMF] Re: [Checkins] SVN: GenericSetup/trunk/PageTemplates/exportimport.py

2006-05-16 Thread Rob Miller
Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 yuppie wrote: Hi Rob! Modified: GenericSetup/trunk/PageTemplates/exportimport.py === --- GenericSetup/trunk/PageTemplates/exportimport.py2006-05-15 13:59:50 UT

[Zope-CMF] Re: GenericSetup: one object -> mulitple files

2006-05-16 Thread Rob Miller
yuppie wrote: Hi Rob! hi back! Rob Miller wrote: i've been doing a bit of Plone-related hacking around in GenericSetup recently, and have hit a bit of a snag because the current export mechanism seems to be pretty tightly married to the idea that a single object in the ZODB is goi

[Zope-CMF] Re: [Checkins] SVN: GenericSetup/trunk/PageTemplates/exportimport.py

2006-05-16 Thread Rob Miller
yuppie wrote: Rob Miller wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: yuppie wrote: <--SNIP--> I'm trying to understand that checkin. I don't think it is generally a good idea to limit exports to specific meta_types. I just did that in the FolderXMLAdapter to make sure there is no over

[Zope-CMF] GenericSetup tutorial

2006-06-15 Thread Rob Miller
i've written a detailed GenericSetup tutorial, available here: http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/understanding-and-using-genericsetup-in-plone it's tailored to a Plone audience, but most of what's there isn't at all Plone-specific, would probably be valuable to anyone wanting to learn abo

[Zope-CMF] Re: Abusing GenericSetup during traditional installs

2006-07-28 Thread Rob Miller
Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi, I realise this isn't entirely kosher (and that yuppie has much better long-term ideas), but I am wondering if it's possible to invoke some GenericSetup handler code during a more traditional Extensions/Install.py install. This is purely for convenience - but if I need a

[Zope-CMF] Re: Heads up: CMF 1.5 now in "community maintenance mode"

2006-11-30 Thread Rob Miller
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just like CMF 1.4, I have now put CMF 1.5 in "community maintenance mode" That means the release manager won't make any more releases and developers don't need to backport fixes, but other community members may do so if they

[Zope-CMF] Re: GenericSetup content exporting

2006-12-18 Thread Rob Miller
Spanky wrote: Greetings! I'm just getting started with GenericSetup, and I feel like I'm missing something simple. Hope you can help :) My goal is to get some default content exported as XML so I can use it as part of the GS profile for my new site. In my experimenting: I have a stock Plo

[Zope-CMF] Re: GenericSetup content exporting

2006-12-19 Thread Rob Miller
Raphael Ritz wrote: Rob Miller schrieb: Spanky wrote: Greetings! I'm just getting started with GenericSetup, and I feel like I'm missing something simple. Hope you can help :) My goal is to get some default content exported as XML so I can use it as part of the GS profile for m

[Zope-CMF] Re: Base and Extension profiles

2007-03-19 Thread Rob Miller
Matt wrote: I've heard various statements that a product which sets up a site should use a base profile. I have interpreted this as define all types, all workflow, all toolsets, all skins etc into the profile of that product. For example for plone, one would copy CMFPlone/profiles/default and wor

[Zope-CMF] Re: Modifications using GS profiles

2007-04-09 Thread Rob Miller
Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 yuppie wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 5 Apr 2007, at 16:07, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Tres Seaver wrote: There may be a better solution in place already on the branch we worked on at the BBQ Sprint: svn+ssh://svn

[Zope-CMF] Re: Modifications using GS profiles

2007-04-12 Thread Rob Miller
Tres Seaver wrote: yuppie wrote: BTW: Are there any unit tests for the upgrade steps feature? I'll defer to Rob: he was porting the code from the CPS add-on. okay, i've gotten things to a reasonable place, committed on the tseaver-bbq_sprint branch. there are tests for the upgrade step zc

[Zope-CMF] Re: [dev] unresolved site manager related issues

2007-04-12 Thread Rob Miller
Alec Mitchell wrote: On 4/11/07, yuppie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi! Kapil Thangavelu wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:09:27 -0400, Jens Vagelpohl > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 10 Apr 2007, at 10:30, yuppie wrote: >>> Currently non-five.lsm site managers don't work in CMF, see this t

[Zope-CMF] Re: state of GenericSetup trunk and branches

2007-06-11 Thread Rob Miller
Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Tres reminded me that we should have a "real" branch and release tags for GenericSetup to match up with the CMF 2.1-branch and the releases. I need to determine the current state: Has the BBQ Sprint branch a

[Zope-CMF] Re: state of GenericSetup trunk and branches

2007-06-19 Thread Rob Miller
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tres reminded me that we should have a "real" branch and release tags for GenericSetup to match up with the CMF 2.1-branch and the releases. I need to determine the current state: Has the BBQ Sprint branch at http://svn.zop

[Zope-CMF] Re: state of GenericSetup trunk and branches

2007-06-20 Thread Rob Miller
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20 Jun 2007, at 06:59, Rob Miller wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Tres reminded me that we should have a "real" branch and release tags for GenericSetup to match up with the CMF 2.1-branch and the releases.

[Zope-CMF] Re: state of GenericSetup trunk and branches

2007-06-21 Thread Rob Miller
Wichert Akkerman wrote: The new GS looks very nice, but from the ZMI UI I can no longer see how I can import only selected steps of an extension profile. I hope that is still possible; it can be extremely useful. It looks like the import and export tab only act on the base profiels now. hmm...

[Zope-CMF] Re: state of GenericSetup trunk and branches

2007-06-21 Thread Rob Miller
yuppie wrote: Rob Miller wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Just merge and I'll take it from there. done. sorry for the delay. I still did not manage to look at all the changes, but I have some questions regarding metadata.xml: - Why is it necessary to use version numbers from VERSIO

[Zope-CMF] Re: state of GenericSetup trunk and branches

2007-06-22 Thread Rob Miller
yuppie wrote: Hi Rob! Rob Miller wrote: yuppie wrote: - Why is it necessary to use version numbers from VERSION.txt? AFAICS it does not make much sense to keep profile version numbers in sync with product version numbers. New profiles should have an explicit version in metadata.xml, old

[Zope-CMF] Re: state of GenericSetup trunk and branches

2007-06-25 Thread Rob Miller
Maurits van Rees wrote: Rob Miller, on 2007-06-21: Wichert Akkerman wrote: The new GS looks very nice, but from the ZMI UI I can no longer see how I can import only selected steps of an extension profile. I hope that is still possible; it can be extremely useful. It looks like the import and

[Zope-CMF] Re: state of GenericSetup trunk and branches

2007-06-25 Thread Rob Miller
Maurits van Rees wrote: Maurits van Rees, on 2007-06-23: 2. What needs to happen on the import tab now on trunk? We want a drop down that lists all extension profiles. When I select one of those extension profiles, should I get a list of only those steps for which this profile has an

[Zope-CMF] Re: state of GenericSetup trunk and branches

2007-06-25 Thread Rob Miller
Maurits van Rees wrote: Rob Miller, on 2007-06-25: all of the steps for a profile will be loaded into the setup tool the first time you run any of the steps for that profile. what's missing is the option of loading all of the steps from a profile WITHOUT actually running them, so tha

[Zope-CMF] Re: Moving to browser views

2007-07-18 Thread Rob Miller
Charlie Clark wrote: Hi, I making my first stab at browser views for my iCal support having finally come up with some templates that seem to produce files that work with most calendar programs. I have a couple of questions: 1) should I implement them as BrowserViews calling templates or shou

[Zope-CMF] Re: GenericSetup extension profile import step mis-feature

2007-07-31 Thread Rob Miller
Raphael Ritz wrote: <---SNIP---> And now? What are those add-on authors (e.g. David Convent for ATBiblioStyles or Mike Gabriel for ATBiblioTopic) supposed to do? Include the ATExtensions and CMFBib profiles in their products as well? Leave them out and explain in their README (which those who s

[Zope-CMF] Re: GenericSetup extension profile import step mis-feature

2007-07-31 Thread Rob Miller
Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi guys, After a lot of "is-this-a-bug" type discussions with Rob and Wichert, I've come to feel pretty strongly about the following: When you load an extension profile for the first time in GS, it looks t

[Zope-CMF] Re: GenericSetup: How to use upgradeStep?

2007-09-06 Thread Rob Miller
Maurits van Rees wrote: Hi, I am having problems understanding how the new upgradeStep functionality of GenericSetup works. Maybe the most important question: is there a product that already uses this, so I can look at its code as an example? don't think so, except for CPS, from which the up

[Zope-CMF] Re: GenericSetup: How to use upgradeStep?

2007-10-08 Thread Rob Miller
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 9/25/07, Maurits van Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When you want to remove an index or column you can do that by editing the profile and adding remove="True" to that index or column. So this upgrade can be represented as a profile edit. But applying the profile will

[Zope-CMF] Re: GenericSetup: How to use upgradeStep?

2007-10-08 Thread Rob Miller
Maurits van Rees wrote: Hi, I've been on vacation I took my time answering. Rob Miller, on 2007-09-06: okay, here's where things get off track. in GenericSetup, there is no such thing (yet, perhaps) as an "upgrade profile". it's possible to define an extension prof

[Zope-CMF] Re: Accessing the "context"

2007-10-30 Thread Rob Miller
robert rottermann wrote: Charlie Clark schrieb: Dear all, a simple question with hopefully a simple answer! How do I access objects from an object's context or hierarchy? Specifically I'd like to be able to access a ZopeDA connection for a site. I if you know the id of the object you are loo

[Zope-CMF] Re: [dev] GenericSetup: import step version

2007-11-05 Thread Rob Miller
yuppie wrote: Hi! Can we please deprecate the 'version' argument of registerStep? This is the interface description: o 'version' is a string for comparing versions, it is preferred to be a /mm/dd-ii formatted string (date plus two-digit ordinal). when comparing two versi

[Zope-CMF] (was Re: Multiple GS profiles per product)

2008-05-19 Thread Rob Miller
Tres Seaver wrote: Maurits van Rees wrote: Note that for GS upgrade steps you do not really need "upgrade profiles". That was just my understanding/expectation of how to do upgrade steps at the time. Sees reasonable, although I should say that I don't use the "upgrade" machinery in GS at al

[Zope-CMF] Re: (was Re: Multiple GS profiles per product)

2008-05-20 Thread Rob Miller
Maurits van Rees wrote: Rob Miller, on 2008-05-20: it's maybe worth mentioning here that i _have_ recently started using GS's upgrade machinery, and have been quite happy with it. the one thing that i've missed, which i'd like to add to the GS core if there's no strong

[Zope-CMF] Re: Eggified CMF 2.1.1 now available

2008-08-04 Thread Rob Miller
Maurits van Rees wrote: Tres Seaver, on 2008-08-03: I created "satellite" versions of the 2.1.1 eggs for the remaining CMF products this morning: - CMFDefault - CMFTopic - CMFActionIcons - CMFCalendar - CMFUid - DCWorkflow Source distributions for the 2.1.1 versions are now availabl

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2008-08-07 Thread Rob Miller
hi all, i've got a GenericSetup branch called 'ra-depends-tag' with a working implementation of a ZCML tag. this tag can be used anywhere that you could use a tag (i.e. either standalone, or nested within a ). in fact, upgradeDepends is simply a special case of upgradeStep that allows you

Re: [Zope-CMF]

2008-08-13 Thread Rob Miller
Rob Miller wrote: > hi all, > > i've got a GenericSetup branch called 'ra-depends-tag' with a working > implementation of a ZCML tag. this tag > can be used anywhere that you could use a tag > (i.e. either standalone, or nested within a > ). in fact, u

[Zope-CMF] back-porting a GenericSetup fix to the 1.4 branch

2008-09-16 Thread Rob Miller
hi all, currently, on the 1.4 branch of GenericSetup, there is what i consider to be a bug in the component registry import code. the issue is that when you re-run the import step, even if you are not in purge mode, then any utilities that are registered with the given site manager will be rep

Re: [Zope-CMF] back-porting a GenericSetup fix to the 1.4 branch

2008-09-16 Thread Rob Miller
Rob Miller wrote: > hi all, > > currently, on the 1.4 branch of GenericSetup, there is what i consider to be > a > bug in the component registry import code. the issue is that when you re-run > the import step, even if you are not in purge mode, then any utilities that >

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