(313) Erik Van den Broek info

2003-12-11 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




I recently discovered his DAP and Shiver labels and was wondering what he
is up to today

seems the last output I can find is a drum and bass record from '99 on the
Acetate label
is he on the lowlands mailing list? is that still around?

really like his acid techno house tracks - cool sh*t
MEK



Re: (313) Work posts and blank

2003-12-11 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




LOL Exam time

actually that's a great question

I'd have to say that Detroit Techno and House is really good because it has
the ability to tap into and extract some deep and personal emotions without
being magniloquent and flatulent.  It continues a musical tradition that
has carried through the blues and jazz - blue notes, bent pitches,
polyrhythms, syncopation,  etc. but push it forward into the future with
new technology. Even still, it translates back into traditional forms -
the orchestrated version of Jaguar is a good example.  All the tension is
still there without any advanced technological instruments. It's timeless
(for the most part). It has soul because those above elements somehow have
the ability to speak to the soul. There is both sorrow and great hope and
joy in the music. But the joy is not the syrupy type you find in many other
styles of music. It's rooted in the sorrow. It knows joy because it knows
the sadness. Plus you can dance to it without being all pilled up;)

I think Detroit Techno and House should be sold next to James Brown, Al
Green, Sun Ra, Thelonious Monk, Robert Johnson, Mahalia Jackson, and
Kraftwerk of course.

when will our grades be posted?

MEK




   
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WOW finally sorted out my e-mail after 4 years so I can post to the 313
from
work!!!

But I'll probably just lurk as normal :)

err... to keep on topic um,  Detroit Techno and House is really good
because blank 

what's your blank on this subject?

Maxim







Re: (313) Work posts and blank

2003-12-11 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




I read somewhere (hmmm- Generation Ecstasy maybe?) that Trance music (with
a capital T) sounds as if it is formulated on a grid system and is very
regimented. Nothing is out of place and events happen in a grid-like
pattern. Where as house and techno (and I'd put the emphasis on Detroit and
D influenced) is much less so and there is space for improvisation and the
unexpected.
I think it was Reyolds who actually wrote the passage I'm thinking of -
I'll see if I can dig it up

MEK



   
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LOL Exam time

actually that's a great question

I'd have to say that Detroit Techno and House is really good because it has
the ability to tap into and extract some deep and personal emotions without
being magniloquent and flatulent.  It continues a musical tradition that
has carried through the blues and jazz - blue notes, bent pitches,
polyrhythms, syncopation,  etc. but push it forward into the future with
new technology. Even still, it translates back into traditional forms -
the orchestrated version of Jaguar is a good example.  All the tension is
still there without any advanced technological instruments. It's timeless
(for the most part). It has soul because those above elements somehow have
the ability to speak to the soul. There is both sorrow and great hope and
joy in the music. But the joy is not the syrupy type you find in many other
styles of music. It's rooted in the sorrow. It knows joy because it knows
the sadness. Plus you can dance to it without being all pilled up;)

I think Detroit Techno and House should be sold next to James Brown, Al
Green, Sun Ra, Thelonious Monk, Robert Johnson, Mahalia Jackson, and
Kraftwerk of course.

when will our grades be posted?

MEK




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WOW finally sorted out my e-mail after 4 years so I can post to the 313
from
work!!!

But I'll probably just lurk as normal :)

err... to keep on topic um,  Detroit Techno and House is really good
because blank 

what's your blank on this subject?

Maxim










Re: (313) Work posts and blank

2003-12-11 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




here's a great passage from Deep Blues by Robert Palmer that I think can
be applied to Detroit techno  house

Here he is addressing blue notes

This is the expressive core of the hollers, work songs, spirituals that
have not been substantially influenced by white church music, and later the
blues, especially Delta blues. You can hear it, or suggestions of it, in
African vocal music from Senegambia to the Congo, and it has special
significance among the Akan-speaking people of Ghana, who suffered the
depredations of English and American slavers through most of the period of
the slave trade. Akan is a pitch-tone language in which rising emotion is
expressed by falling pitch, and in Akan song rising emotion is often
expressed by flattening the third. There seems to be a direct continuity
between this tendency and blues singing, for blues singers habitually use
falling pitches to raise the emotional temperature of a performance.
Usually these falling pitches are thirds, but Muddy Waters and other
vocalists and guitarists from the Delta tradition also employ falling
fifths, often with shattering emotional effect.

It's not a great leap to follow the tradition -

MEK



Re: (313) U.S. Distribution?

2003-12-11 Thread Cyclone Louise Wehner
Probably because so many distributors have gone under this year. It's been a
terrible year for business in that dept.

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Subject: (313) U.S. Distribution?
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 5:51 PM


 Why haven't the following vinyl releases become available in the U.S.:

 V/A Electron Music (Iridite Productions)
 Fabrice Lig Roots Of The Future 6-trk Mini LP
 (Raygun)
 Starfighterz 4 Flavourz Of A 2-Sided Story (Delsin)

 I did see the Fabrice Lig on one U.S. record shop website but it was here
 today and gone tomorrow. I have only seen them on Nuloop, Rushhour, and
 Clone.

 Orrin

 


(313) re: Erik Van den Broek info

2003-12-11 Thread andrewduke
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:05:02 -0600,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I recently discovered his DAP and Shiver labels and
was
 wondering what he
 is up to today
 
 seems the last output I can find is a drum and bass
 record from '99 on the
 Acetate label
 is he on the lowlands mailing list? is that still
 around?
 
 really like his acid techno house tracks - cool sh*t
 MEK

Good question.  Yes, his Whoo Part Twoo (as Essit
Muzique) on The Netherlands' Dance Arena still sounds
great. Andrew Duke

out now: Environmental Politics http://and-oar.org
Take Nothing For Granted http://acidfake.tk
Sprung http://bip-hop.com 
http://warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php?
cat=BLEEP12fc_type=CD 
*Canadian electronica album of the year nominee*
More Destructive Than Organized http://staalplaat.com
Highest Common Denominator http://pieheadrecords.com
Physical and Mental Health http://dialrecords.com 
74'02 (split with Hypo) http://tsunami-addiction.com
Waveforms: Halifax Electronic Music Compilation 
http://cognitionaudioworks.com


(313) DOW/Terrence Dixon was re: Hard Sync 1, 2 and 3

2003-12-11 Thread andrewduke
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:57:53 -0500, Dan Kurzius wrote:

 I promised some of you I'd get the old hard sync
issues
 online sometime
 back, but do to a crazy work schedule I'm just now
 getting around to it.
 
 For those interested you can now find the first 3 here
 http://www.latenightessentials.com/sync/
 
 I'll be adding more over the next couple of days with
 the hopes of having
 them all up by the end of this year.
 
 If you're not familiar with the zine, here's a quick
 run down on each issue:
 
 Sampler Issue
 Mainly containing record reviews, the sampler issue
was
 created to work out
 format and layout ideas. Gerard came up with the name
 and Dan the layout.
 http://www.latenightessentials.com/sync/sampler.phtml
 
 Vol 1 Issue 1
 The first official issue, packed full of more reviews
 and a one on one with
 Detroit's Dan Bell (aka DBX). With this issue we also
 welcomed aboard Sean
 Deason of Matrix Records and Andrew Duke of Cognition
 Audioworks to help out
 with record reviews.
 http://www.latenightessentials.com/sync/vol_1.phtml
 
 Vol 1 Issue 2
 Number 2 hits the streets and we couldn't have been
any
 more excited that
 Richie Hawtin agreed to be our featured artist. Plus
 even more reviews...
 http://www.latenightessentials.com/sync/vol_2.phtml
 
 Enjoy
 dK
 
I was just checking out the scans of Issue 3 and the
Utensil Records advertisement brought up some
questions:  What is Dave Whiteside (who operated
Utensil Records and recorded a brilliant record as DOW)
up to these days?  And what is Terrence Dixon up to
these days? Looking at my chart in that issue (some
weird typos in there, Dan!), I noticed that I had
charted one of my tracks called Doppler Effect
(remember now that Fred Gianelli really liked that
one), which is sorta cool now because I titled that song
that well before I ever heard (and fell in love with) a
certain Detroit act called Dopplereffekt! Fond memories
there, Dan, thanks for taking the time to put those
scans up. Take care. Andrew Duke

out now: Environmental Politics http://and-oar.org
Take Nothing For Granted http://acidfake.tk
Sprung http://bip-hop.com 
http://warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php?
cat=BLEEP12fc_type=CD 
*Canadian electronica album of the year nominee*
More Destructive Than Organized http://staalplaat.com
Highest Common Denominator http://pieheadrecords.com
Physical and Mental Health http://dialrecords.com 
74'02 (split with Hypo) http://tsunami-addiction.com
Waveforms: Halifax Electronic Music Compilation 
http://cognitionaudioworks.com


(313)Old Detroit radio online?

2003-12-11 Thread James_Bucknell





My girlfriend, suffering under the heat of a humid Sydney day, has been on
the phone to her family this morning and for some strange reason is missing
the snow and cold of detroit.
Does anyone know of any old detroit radio show mixes from the 80s online?
electrifiying mojo would be great, but any radio shows with an ad for 'mel
far superstar'(sp?) would probably cheer her up.

james



Re: (313)Old Detroit radio online?

2003-12-11 Thread Cyclone Louise Wehner
That's hilarious. In Singapore where they have no seasons, just endless 
summer, they have snow drops in Orchard Rd near Christmas and snowy
Christmas scenes on the screens in the Orchard Rd Internet place... plus a
Snow Theme park where you can go for the novelty of the 'br'. ;)
Cheer her up by telling her she's beautiful and how skinny she is AND buying
her records, make-up and clothes on Oxord St. Trust me, that's all 313
techno loving women want in life. ;)

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To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313)Old Detroit radio online?
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 3:53 PM







 My girlfriend, suffering under the heat of a humid Sydney day, has been on
 the phone to her family this morning and for some strange reason is missing
 the snow and cold of detroit.
 Does anyone know of any old detroit radio show mixes from the 80s online?
 electrifiying mojo would be great, but any radio shows with an ad for 'mel
 far superstar'(sp?) would probably cheer her up.

 james
 


RE: (313) Blaze - My Beat remixes

2003-12-11 Thread Odeluga, Ken
I agree 200% on that Michael. *Except* on Derrick Carter's mix! :-)

That has got his killer, subtle Chi-Town compression just before the kicks
and it rocks.

Ken

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I've been listening to a few different mixes of this tune and I really have
to wonder why would someone put a basic plodding 4 beat without any accents
under a vocal that says as we dance to a beat that seems out of time to
the one you feel in the metronome of your mind - does it offend you that
our rhythm looks strange or causes your thinking to be rearranged and then
follows up with so as you struggle to catch the rhythm with your feet ask
yourself can you dance to my beat

yeah I can but I don't want to because your beats are so damn
pedestrian/vanilla - I wish these people would actually put some thought
into these remixes instead of just laying down some boring thud thud thud
beat and think that a deep house tune underneath is going to cut it -
a message to any future remixers of My Beat - listen to the lyrics and
then do something as dynamic as the original that reflects the message of
the tune!

MEK




RE: (313) Work posts and blank

2003-12-11 Thread Odeluga, Ken
Thx Michael. I need to look into Palmer's thought's (and maybe earlier
sounds) as he was obviously a very knowledgeable bloke.

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here's a great passage from Deep Blues by Robert Palmer that I think can
be applied to Detroit techno  house

Here he is addressing blue notes

This is the expressive core of the hollers, work songs, spirituals that
have not been substantially influenced by white church music, and later the
blues, especially Delta blues. You can hear it, or suggestions of it, in
African vocal music from Senegambia to the Congo, and it has special
significance among the Akan-speaking people of Ghana, who suffered the
depredations of English and American slavers through most of the period of
the slave trade. Akan is a pitch-tone language in which rising emotion is
expressed by falling pitch, and in Akan song rising emotion is often
expressed by flattening the third. There seems to be a direct continuity
between this tendency and blues singing, for blues singers habitually use
falling pitches to raise the emotional temperature of a performance.
Usually these falling pitches are thirds, but Muddy Waters and other
vocalists and guitarists from the Delta tradition also employ falling
fifths, often with shattering emotional effect.

It's not a great leap to follow the tradition -

MEK




RE: (313)Old Detroit radio online?

2003-12-11 Thread Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)
www.deephousepage.com

-Original Message-
From: Cyclone Louise Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11 December 2003 4:56 
To: 313 Detroit
Subject: Re: (313)Old Detroit radio online?


That's hilarious. In Singapore where they have no seasons, just endless 
summer, they have snow drops in Orchard Rd near Christmas and snowy
Christmas scenes on the screens in the Orchard Rd Internet place... plus a
Snow Theme park where you can go for the novelty of the 'br'. ;)
Cheer her up by telling her she's beautiful and how skinny she is AND buying
her records, make-up and clothes on Oxord St. Trust me, that's all 313
techno loving women want in life. ;)

--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313)Old Detroit radio online?
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 3:53 PM







 My girlfriend, suffering under the heat of a humid Sydney day, has been on
 the phone to her family this morning and for some strange reason is
missing
 the snow and cold of detroit.
 Does anyone know of any old detroit radio show mixes from the 80s online?
 electrifiying mojo would be great, but any radio shows with an ad for 'mel
 far superstar'(sp?) would probably cheer her up.

 james
 



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(313) D.Wynn KMS mix

2003-12-11 Thread chris.anglesey


No James, don't think that last track on the
cd is the 'Yennek' track.  this one's quite
garagey and has the lyrics to be without soul,
in my life - anyone else got any clues about
this or either of the other tracks ?

chris. 


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(313) new tings

2003-12-11 Thread alex . bond
arrrgh!!
anyone heard either of these??

LARRY HEARD - LOOSEFINGERS EP - US12'' [ALLEVIATED - ML 2221 - 23539]

METROPLEX SOCIAL CLUB - HUBBLE EP - US12'' [PUZZLEBOX - PBX 8 - 23854]

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RE: (313) re: Erik Van den Broek info

2003-12-11 Thread placid
For the record...did an interview with him not long ago..

www.acid-house.net..  Check the profiles section...

placid

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Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) re: Erik Van den Broek info

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:05:02 -0600,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I recently discovered his DAP and Shiver labels and
was
 wondering what he
 is up to today
 
 seems the last output I can find is a drum and bass
 record from '99 on the
 Acetate label
 is he on the lowlands mailing list? is that still
 around?
 
 really like his acid techno house tracks - cool sh*t
 MEK

Good question.  Yes, his Whoo Part Twoo (as Essit
Muzique) on The Netherlands' Dance Arena still sounds
great. Andrew Duke

out now: Environmental Politics http://and-oar.org
Take Nothing For Granted http://acidfake.tk
Sprung http://bip-hop.com 
http://warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php?
cat=BLEEP12fc_type=CD 
*Canadian electronica album of the year nominee*
More Destructive Than Organized http://staalplaat.com
Highest Common Denominator http://pieheadrecords.com
Physical and Mental Health http://dialrecords.com 
74'02 (split with Hypo) http://tsunami-addiction.com
Waveforms: Halifax Electronic Music Compilation 
http://cognitionaudioworks.com




(313) little carl craig mix

2003-12-11 Thread Maarten Baute
Hi all,

here is half an hour of a carl craig mix recorded this weekend:
http://music.rushhour.nl/rhradio/carl1.mp3

My question is: what is the wonderfull track he plays after maurizio -
domina (carl craig mix)?
It starts around 5 minutes and goes on till minute 8. It is really something
special... it must be something new. It sounds like radiohead meets turtoise
meets theo parrish.. doesn´t that make your mouth water?

Thanks,
Maarten - http://www.morthenkiang.com/



Re: (313) little carl craig mix

2003-12-11 Thread Martin
Sounds like a sampled loop underneath and then into the track Alex -
Although Andy Weatherall did do some remixes a long time ago - fantastic
version of United - never did find out what happened to those. I've had
loads of people ask me about Hot On The Heels since I added it to the last
Dust Boys mix...


11/12/03 10:51 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED]@uk.pwc.com

 
 My question is: what is the wonderfull track he plays after maurizio -
 domina (carl craig mix)?
 It starts around 5 minutes and goes on till minute 8
 
 I was listening too! I thought from your description maybe it was a new
 Rotating Assembley track - but it doesn't sound like it really does it.
 
 Also, he's playing throbbing gristle underneath it too for quite a while.
 (which then comes in after) - unless the track has a TG sample.
 
 but, yes, it's a nice track. check the hot on the heels of love edit as
 well. (straight after). anyone know who's edit this is? Carl's?
 
 alex
 
 
 
 
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RE: (313) little carl craig mix

2003-12-11 Thread Sean Creen
Hi Martin,
are you talking about the version of United that was on the first Sabres
release, or did he do other remixes too?

Cheers,
Sean.

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Sounds like a sampled loop underneath and then into the track Alex -
Although Andy Weatherall did do some remixes a long time ago - fantastic
version of United - never did find out what happened to those. I've had
loads of people ask me about Hot On The Heels since I added it to the last
Dust Boys mix...


11/12/03 10:51 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED]@uk.pwc.com


 My question is: what is the wonderfull track he plays after maurizio -
 domina (carl craig mix)?
 It starts around 5 minutes and goes on till minute 8

 I was listening too! I thought from your description maybe it was a new
 Rotating Assembley track - but it doesn't sound like it really does it.

 Also, he's playing throbbing gristle underneath it too for quite a while.
 (which then comes in after) - unless the track has a TG sample.

 but, yes, it's a nice track. check the hot on the heels of love edit as
 well. (straight after). anyone know who's edit this is? Carl's?

 alex




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Re: (313) little carl craig mix

2003-12-11 Thread alex . bond

I've had
loads of people ask me about Hot On The Heels since I added it to the last
Dust Boys mix...

I'm not surprised. it's HOT! UK innovation. who needs detroit? : ) check
these men ( woman) out in their arran jumpers and farah slacks. we got the
tracks, the style, the whole bleedin' lot mate. ; )

Although Andy Weatherall did do some remixes a long time ago

I reckon thats an 'edit' rather than a mix - do you?
There's a new edit on Music Box 5 bootleg comp that isn't so bad.

edits. hmmm. too many. all unpaid for as well. I guess they're fun though.

there's some Chris  Cosey things dying for an 'edit' too. that would be
nice for the clubs.



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Re: (313) little carl craig mix

2003-12-11 Thread Martin
Hi Martin,
are you talking about the version of United that was on the first Sabres
release, or did he do other remixes too?

The one I heard was very different from the first Sabres but it was so long
ago now I fear I may even be wrong :) A lot harder as well - I'll ask him...


I'm not surprised. it's HOT! UK innovation. who needs detroit? : ) check
these men ( woman) out in their arran jumpers and farah slacks. we got the
tracks, the style, the whole bleedin' lot mate. ; )

I've always liked that track, Just doing a hard edit of Dance Like a Star by
the Human League, techno circa 1974 :)

Although Andy Weatherall did do some remixes a long time ago

I reckon that's an 'edit' rather than a mix - do you?
There's a new edit on Music Box 5 bootleg comp that isn't so bad.

Yeah it sounds like it, I can almost see the edit points

edits. hmmm. too many. all unpaid for as well. I guess they're fun though.
there's some Chris  Cosey things dying for an 'edit' too. that would be
nice for the clubs.

The way I see it, it can only help, the number of times I've gone out and
bought an album because of it :)

Not that big a fan of Chris and Cosey, Liked her painting more than the
music...

Martin





RE: (313) little carl craig mix

2003-12-11 Thread Sean Creen

Not that big a fan of Chris and Cosey, Liked her painting more than the
music...

Strange, I would say the Hot on the Heels (which you like) was pretty much a
blueprint for the Chris and Cosey sound. They certainly came closest to
pursuing that sound out of all of the post-TG projects.
Remember also, at this stage, Chris Carter probably had more musical input
into TG than the rest of the band put together.





Re: (313) IR-002 Sound Clips (was Iridite 004- Electron Music)

2003-12-11 Thread Dr. Nutcracker
 All I need to complete the set is IR-002, anyone know
 where I can find sound clips on this one?...


 A1. http://www.veto.demon.co.uk/Audio/La%20Triste.mp3
 B1. http://www.veto.demon.co.uk/Audio/Track%20Title%202.mp3
 B2. http://www.veto.demon.co.uk/Audio/Day%2083.mp3

I've been diggin and Undercity distribution shows it is sold out...
but you could always try and ask at Courthouse or Rubadub too.

Btw That Fabrice Lig album also available at Courthouse. Since Undercity
recently picked up Raygun and Indulge for worldwide distribution... should
make it a h_ll of a lot easier to get all those magnificent release again!



Dr. Nutcracker




RE: (313) little carl craig mix

2003-12-11 Thread alex . bond

Not that big a fan of Chris and Cosey, Liked her painting more than the
music...

Hey, yeah, you surprised me there too Martin!

There's a song on the songs of love  lust LP (might be wrong that title)
that sounds so like Carl Craig circa more food and revolutionary art
(except 15 years previous almost). beautiful stuff.

how about if you get 5 mins you do us a top ten UK industrial tracks that
sound like techno for us?

that would be most welcome if you get a minute.
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(313) carl craig quiz

2003-12-11 Thread alex . bond
sorry, back to the mix of carl craig's, I got a q or two.

the 'song' after throbbing gristle - what is it, it's really bugging me, I
heard it somewhere recently and can't remember what it is. Quite a famous
song, fairly recent I think.

also, the track after that, old thing, anyone know what that is?

thanks!

alex


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Re: (313) little carl craig mix

2003-12-11 Thread Martin
 Not that big a fan of Chris and Cosey, Liked her painting more than the
 music...
 
 Strange, I would say the Hot on the Heels (which you like) was pretty much a
 blueprint for the Chris and Cosey sound. They certainly came closest to
 pursuing that sound out of all of the post-TG projects.
 Remember also, at this stage, Chris Carter probably had more musical input
 into TG than the rest of the band put together.

Sure, but you get a horse to water but you canna make it drink :) I've
tried, just never been in the mood...

I also disagree about Chris, Sleazy played a massive party, and so did
Gen...

Martin



Re: (313) little carl craig mix

2003-12-11 Thread alex . bond

The way I see it, it can only help, the number of times I've gone out and
bought an album because of it :)

yes, I guess thats true. it's like the old downloading/home taping argument
I suppose.
I like the 'moxie' edits alot, also the 'automan' series is great, and the
'music box' series, although they always put too many tracks on one bit of
vinyl.

getting a bit out of hand though now!
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Re: (313) carl craig quiz

2003-12-11 Thread Glenn McClements
Just listening to it at the moment. It's Radiohead, but can't remember 
the name of the track.



sorry, back to the mix of carl craig's, I got a q or two.

the 'song' after throbbing gristle - what is it, it's really bugging me, I
heard it somewhere recently and can't remember what it is. Quite a famous
song, fairly recent I think.

also, the track after that, old thing, anyone know what that is?

thanks!

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RE: (313) little carl craig mix

2003-12-11 Thread Sean Creen
I also disagree about Chris, Sleazy played a massive party, and so did
Gen...


Musically, I really don't think this is the case. Sleazy did develop his
musical input over time, but was initailly really just there in a
consulting role and was responsible for visuals, etc. Just how gifted Gen
is musically is demonstrated by the awful standard of most PTV releases
after Sleazy, Balance, Tibet, etc left him to his own devices.



RE: (313) carl craig quiz

2003-12-11 Thread Sean Creen

Its Everything in its Right Place from Kid A

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Just listening to it at the moment. It's Radiohead, but can't remember 
the name of the track.

sorry, back to the mix of carl craig's, I got a q or two.

the 'song' after throbbing gristle - what is it, it's really bugging me, I
heard it somewhere recently and can't remember what it is. Quite a famous
song, fairly recent I think.

also, the track after that, old thing, anyone know what that is?

thanks!

alex


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RE: (313) carl craig quiz

2003-12-11 Thread alex . bond

Its Everything in its Right Place from Kid A

d'oh. thanks everyone, I should have known that.
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(313) little carl craig vs TG

2003-12-11 Thread Martin
11/12/03 11:50 AM Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I also disagree about Chris, Sleazy played a massive party, and so did
 Gen...
 
 
 Musically, I really don't think this is the case. Sleazy did develop his
 musical input over time, but was initailly really just there in a
 consulting role and was responsible for visuals, etc.

If this is about who can play better, then yes Chris would win, but without
Sleazy and Gen it wouldn't have happened and it wouldn't have been the same
- both these guys are excellent instigators and ideas people, and boiling it
down to consulting is, I believe, a bit of an insult. I've worked with loads
of people that can't write or play a single note but man do they have the
ideas - which if anything this more important, as it's easy to hire someone
in. KLF would be a good example of this working method...


Just how gifted Gen
 is musically is demonstrated by the awful standard of most PTV releases
 after Sleazy, Balance, Tibet, etc left him to his own devices.

Again, disagree - I've worked with Gen, and he is very talented in the
studio and is excellent at on the spot ideas as well as old tricks that
can be used. Makes a good cup of tea as well!

PTV have put out some excellent work fella - Force/Dreams are brilliant and
Gen has does some excellent work without any of the above - of course this
is purely subject and as I was kicking around with them a little bit one
sided but I also like a lot of Coil/Current 93 stuff as well.

If Fred G would have got his way back in the late 80's, PTV would have been
a very different story...

Alex, I'll dig out a load of old stuff and put a list together...

Martin



(313) lunchtime special

2003-12-11 Thread alex . bond
lunchtime record of the day award goes to ..

Loosefingers - Lamentation - Alleviated.

hot stuff!

I only flicked through, but lamentation is a more old style track, and
the other two are more deep garage tracks, real nice.

p.s. Martin, nice one! look forward to the list!
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(313) Hard Sync Magazine

2003-12-11 Thread Minto George

Thanks Dan for putting this up on the site. It brought
back a lot of good memories of techno geekdom. I
remember picking up a copy at Rush Records. boy was I
stoked to see reviews of new DBX records and this is
where I first heard of labels like Sublime and Utensil
as well as picking up Chicago records by Mike Dunn
that I slept on. got a bunch of chuckles reading some
of the reviews by yourself and Sean dance floor
jacking not bathroom style haha! or Sean giving a
record playing tutorial haha wait a MINUTE! It's
backwards! What is this Satanism? Well, we'll just see
about this! 
read the mag for the details hehhe

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(313) live electro in detroit, friday, dec 12, novamen and alex lugo

2003-12-11 Thread ani
friday, december 12, 2003 -- 10 pm until?

live electro from

the NOVAMEN (bunker, murdercapital records -- the hague, NL)

ALEX LUGO formerly one-half of Ultradyne

COUNTER-COUTURE

and Jan D (DJ set)

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entrance $7, beverages available or byo

location: 2132 Michigan Ave., Detroit (across from the old train station,
two doors west of LJ's lounge)

info on website: www.viacirca.com

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Re: (313)Old Detroit radio online?

2003-12-11 Thread Greg Earle
 Does anyone know of any old detroit radio show mixes from the 80s online?

Would you take 1990?  Go to http://www.AlanOldham.COM/ and grab the
Fast Forward mixes ... they're fantastic.

Of course, there's always the (downloadable versions of) The Wizard mixes
on the DeepHousePage site (requires Real Player 8 or later):

http://deephouse.biostat.wisc.edu/drivee/wizarddbwjlb1989a.rm
http://deephouse.biostat.wisc.edu/drivee/wizarddbwjlb1989b.rm

Or, if she just wants that late 80's Detroit flava (not necessarily a radio
show mix), there's always the Derrick May Music Institute sets:

http://rose107.biostat.wisc.edu/derrickmaymusicinstitute1988a.rm
http://rose107.biostat.wisc.edu/derrickmaymusicinstitute1988b.rm

- Greg




(313) the warhol: JOHN ARNOLD

2003-12-11 Thread Jwan Allen

 

the warhol: Good Fridays 

FRIDAY DECEMBER 12th 2003 
THE ANDY WARHOL MUSEUM presents 

a live performance by Detroit electronic nu jazz composer/dj 
JOHN ARNOLD 

touring in support of his acclaimed new UBIQUITY RECORDS CD/LP 
Neighborhood Science 

www.ubiquityrecords.com/john_arnold.html 
www.ubiquityrecords.com/ur136.html 

Over the past few years John Arnold has risen to public attention along with 
a new wave of Detroit producers and artists. Neighborhood Science includes 
appearances from some of those peers like keyboard maestro and vocalist Amp 
Fiddler (of P-Funk All-stars and Genuine Records), vocalist and 
multi-talented musician Ayro (Omoa music) and producer and vocalist Malik 
Alstin (collaborator with Roy Davis jr). They just happen to be from around 
the way, and helped shape the John Arnold sound on Neighborhood Science, 
his debut album. My neighborhood is brimming with talent, we all live and 
breathe music. I really wanted to present this scene on my record, because 
it defines who I am, states Arnold. 

Neighborhood Science is an album that works in a club as well as at home 
but Arnold purposefully avoided making something more accessible for the 
sake of sales. Multi-layered soulful tracks retain an electronic edge that 
works on the dance floor and nods to the influence of dons of the Detroit 
scene like Carl Craig, Kenny Larkin, and Derrick May. When I listen to 
records for the first time it's as a DJ. I look for the tracks I can play 
out first. If I like an artist because they make great dance music and then 
they come out with a record that is far removed from this, I feel let down. 
I have always felt that dancing is a big part of experiencing music. Once 
people are dancing, they are open to anything you want to throw at them, 
explains Arnold. 

Within electronic music circles formally trained artists often struggle to 
reconcile their academic backgrounds and the unconventional DIY ethos of 
club culture, yet John Arnold's classical guitar education has expanded, not 
limited, his imagination. I was able to make this whole record in my 
bedroom with the help of some friends. And you have to understand how all 
the instruments fit together and how to play them of course. The training 
just gives me a wider pallet and understanding of music to work with. I 
think having the experience of working and understanding different 
instruments and music helped me produce a wide variety of sounds and 
colors, says Arnold. 

Carl Craig invited Arnold to perform his first-ever live electronic gig at 
the inaugural Detroit Electronic Music Festival (DEMF), and Derrick May, who 
picked up his Sparkle EP for Transmat Records' sister label, Fragile, asked 
him back to perform in 2003. He's released a second Transmat EP titled Four 
Minutes? has 2 singles out on Ubiquity, and jammed on records by fellow 
Detroit acts John Beltran, the Detroit Escalator Co and Recloose. 

Prior to John Arnold's live performance, local DJs John E. and Noah Nine 
will perform. 

All-Ages. Show starts promptly at 6pm. Ends at 10:00 pm. 

$3 Cover. 

The Andy Warhol Museum 
One of the four Carnegie Museums of Pittsburgh 
117 Sandusky Street Pittsburgh, PA 

412 237 8300   www.warhol.org 


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Re: (313) little carl craig mix

2003-12-11 Thread matt porter
Is that radiohead at around 12 minutes?


(313) amp fiddler album

2003-12-11 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
its brilliant. really great soul music just cant be beat. the mix 
of superficial is different from the 12 mixes, and i think its 
different from the mix on that carl craig mix cd on react as well. 
anyway, its good sh*t, i highly reccomend it. 

new alton miller on track mode is decent too, not as good as the 
mahogani obviously, but good nonetheless. 

tom

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(313) When I sold my soul to the machine

2003-12-11 Thread kj at technotourist dot org
When I sold my soul to the machine is the name of a documentary in the 
making about the techno/electro scene in Rotterdam and The Hague, there 
is not much online yet but you can see and hear clips from I-F, Alden 
Tyrell, DJ Technician, Overdose etc.


For more info check:
http://www.whenisoldmysoultothemachine.tk/
(in both dutch and english)

KJ



(313) monolake in oz

2003-12-11 Thread Philip

Peeps

Does anyone know if monolake is playing in sydney as well as in
melbourne? Thanx

p



RE: (313) monolake in oz

2003-12-11 Thread Hindle, Simon (IT)
Yup. Foo Man Chunes are playing host to Monolake. I think it's next
weekend at the Gaelic club.

Also on the Sydney front - a few of us are putting a night on at the Sly
Fox in Enmore tomorrow night. It's free and there are cheap cocktails
and I reckon you stand a fair chance of enjoying the music as well. We
start at 6 and are going till close (probably about 2 or 3am). Be great
to see you there!

Si

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Peeps

Does anyone know if monolake is playing in sydney as well as in
melbourne? Thanx

p 

 
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RE: (313) Work posts and blank

2003-12-11 Thread Scott K Ellis
Michael,

Your answers remind me of the Gil Scott-Heron poem used on Moodymann's
Amerika record--Bicentennial Blues.  That line kills me when he says: The
blues grew up, but America did not.  How true   Cornell West has also
discussed the connection between African vocal traditions, slavery, blues,
jazz, soul,  He did an interview on Tavis Smiley's show a few months
back where CW said something like: The blues has hope, not the pollyannic
hope of pop music, but a mature hope, a blood soaked, tear stained hope.
Well, I don't think I could explain any better what I appreciate about
Detroit techno/house than that.

Scott Ellis

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here's a great passage from Deep Blues by Robert Palmer that I think can
be applied to Detroit techno  house

Here he is addressing blue notes

This is the expressive core of the hollers, work songs, spirituals that
have not been substantially influenced by white church music, and later the
blues, especially Delta blues. You can hear it, or suggestions of it, in
African vocal music from Senegambia to the Congo, and it has special
significance among the Akan-speaking people of Ghana, who suffered the
depredations of English and American slavers through most of the period of
the slave trade. Akan is a pitch-tone language in which rising emotion is
expressed by falling pitch, and in Akan song rising emotion is often
expressed by flattening the third. There seems to be a direct continuity
between this tendency and blues singing, for blues singers habitually use
falling pitches to raise the emotional temperature of a performance.
Usually these falling pitches are thirds, but Muddy Waters and other
vocalists and guitarists from the Delta tradition also employ falling
fifths, often with shattering emotional effect.

It's not a great leap to follow the tradition -

MEK