RE: (313) the climax

2004-04-13 Thread Ken Odeluga
Ryan Burns:
is the recent repress of the climax remastered???  because all the mixes i
have heard of the track sound awfull because he recorded it on a cassete
tape.

Was the sound quality on the original really so 'bad'? In terms of dynamics,
I doubt there is any real lack compared to the average pressing. Any
imperfections in 'cleanliness' seem aesthetic to me rather than a matter of
quality control - which has been a theme for Detroit 'popular' music for
about 40 years! It's necessarily a matter of taste though, of course.

k



RE: (313) the climax

2004-04-13 Thread Brendan Nelson
 -Original Message-
 From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 13 April 2004 10:08
 
 Ryan Burns:
 is the recent repress of the climax remastered???  because 
 all the mixes i
 have heard of the track sound awfull because he recorded it 
 on a cassete
 tape.
 
 Was the sound quality on the original really so 'bad'?

To be honest, it never struck me as being particularly bad at all. I've used it 
on a lot of mixes and played it out several times, and it always manages to 
hold its own. As Ken says, I think it's an aesthetic thing - all the Basic 
Channel records were mastered onto cassette (IIRC) and that sort of fuzziness 
to the mastering is an essential component of their whole sound.

Brendan


(313) Tune IDs

2004-04-13 Thread Tom Churchill
Morning list,

My mate Laurence is after a few house and techno track IDs - he's stuck
little clips up on this page:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wjh2401/name_that_tune.html

If any 313ers can spot any of them he'll be eternally grateful...

Cheers,

Tom



RE: (313) Plea from a digest reader ...

2004-04-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
also Re. New Mills, S/N etc.

SImon

You posted about people including original messages etc. with replies
(asking them not to).  I (and others) have also put in requests about this.
You then go on to ask:

Does that sound like a reasonable request, or should I just give up on
trying to read the digests and subscribe to the normal list ?

Dunno if you were joking or not but honestly, based on my experience, I
advise you to do it.  I made this switch and it is now so much easier to
quickly scan to see if a post's of interest or not.  It helps if you're in a
position to set your e-mail package up (I used Rules Wizard in Outlook,
don't know about other packages) to redirect 313 stuff to a special folder
where it sits not clogging up your regular Inbox - a bit like the digest!  I
got back to work today after Easter to be faced with a rather large number
of mails - mostly about colour [we can spell it that way if we want because
it's our language ;-) ] - which I soon made short work of!  Incidentally
this also fixes the mails that come out as undecipherable code in the digest
(which I guess means it's something to do with the way the digest is
compiled which scrambles them).

Finally, re. Sean Deason's mail, I thought it amusing (not really) that the
minutiae of discussion regarding one artist's views and peoples views of his
views leaves us without the contributions of another who I have records by.

Peace to all
It is my intention to offend no one
Francis



(313) Movement 2004 Lineup

2004-04-13 Thread robin


so 6 weeks to go and no line up yet?

anyone know when it's gonna be finalised?

ta

robin...



RE: (313) Movement 2004 Lineup

2004-04-13 Thread Steward, Tim
no word yet I tried to send a email to the contact mail
from the movement site last week and - still no response.

TS -1

-Original Message-
From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:00 AM
To: 313
Subject: (313) Movement 2004 Lineup



so 6 weeks to go and no line up yet?

anyone know when it's gonna be finalised?

ta

robin...



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RE: (313) Movement 2004 Lineup

2004-04-13 Thread ani
i haven't heard anything either...

: -Original Message-
: From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
: Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:00 AM
: To: 313
: Subject: (313) Movement 2004 Lineup
: 
: 
: 
: so 6 weeks to go and no line up yet?
: 
: anyone know when it's gonna be finalised?
: 
: ta
: 
: robin...
: 
: 




RE: (313) Movement 2004 Lineup

2004-04-13 Thread Scott K Ellis
This story about the Stacy Pullen show at the Necto last Thursday said that
the schedule was still a couple of weeks away.

http://www.detroitmovementguide.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=ar
ticlesid=21

Scott

-Original Message-
From: ani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:54 AM
To: 313
Subject: RE: (313) Movement 2004 Lineup


i haven't heard anything either...




RE: (313) Movement 2004 Lineup

2004-04-13 Thread diana potts

anyone else feelin' some serious de ja vu?


--- Scott K Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This story about the Stacy Pullen show at the Necto
 last Thursday said that
 the schedule was still a couple of weeks away.
 

http://www.detroitmovementguide.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=ar
 ticlesid=21
 
 Scott
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:54 AM
 To: 313
 Subject: RE: (313) Movement 2004 Lineup
 
 
 i haven't heard anything either...
 
 





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(313) Putting a Price on good music

2004-04-13 Thread placid

Will probably raise some controversy but the new Kenny larkin on
Peacefrog is worth every penny of the 14.99 I paid

Jus listening to it now...

Emotional Detroit techno at its very best.

placid




RE: (313) Putting a Price on good music

2004-04-13 Thread Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)
I mistakenly ordered 2 copies.

-Original Message-
From: placid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 April 2004 3:51 
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) Putting a Price on good music



Will probably raise some controversy but the new Kenny larkin on
Peacefrog is worth every penny of the 14.99 I paid

Jus listening to it now...

Emotional Detroit techno at its very best.

placid




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Re: (313) Putting a Price on good music

2004-04-13 Thread Martin Dust
 
 Will probably raise some controversy but the new Kenny larkin on
 Peacefrog is worth every penny of the 14.99 I paid

Is it only one track again?

Martin



RE: (313) Putting a Price on good music

2004-04-13 Thread Sean Creen
I only heard the clip on the Peacefrog site, but I didn't like it at all.
The tinkly sounds on it were really irritating and the strings were a bit
cheesy and obvious. Usually, I'm a big fan of Kenny's records too.
I was tempted to buy one anyway to stick on e-bay, but decided it wasn't
fair to people who really want it.

-Original Message-
From: placid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 April 2004 15:51
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) Putting a Price on good music



Will probably raise some controversy but the new Kenny larkin on
Peacefrog is worth every penny of the 14.99 I paid

Jus listening to it now...

Emotional Detroit techno at its very best.

placid





RE: (313) Putting a Price on good music

2004-04-13 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




I just got mine in the mail, £19.10 for US orders (that's about $35.00) -
but I'm not sorry one bit  (I got #119 out of 400) and I have to say that
when I listened to the sample I wasn't impressed either but I went ahead
and ordered because I had faith (and a bit of wedge to spend).
Turns out the full track is beautiful.  One of those cases where a needle
drop doesn't do the full tune justice.
It's really gorgeous future techno for the twilight hours.
Can't wait for the full length

and yep - it's only one side

MEK


   
  Sean Creen 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   placid [EMAIL 
PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
  ave.com cc: 
   Subject:  RE: (313) Putting a 
Price on good music
  04/13/04 09:54 AM
   
   




I only heard the clip on the Peacefrog site, but I didn't like it at all.
The tinkly sounds on it were really irritating and the strings were a bit
cheesy and obvious. Usually, I'm a big fan of Kenny's records too.
I was tempted to buy one anyway to stick on e-bay, but decided it wasn't
fair to people who really want it.

-Original Message-
From: placid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 April 2004 15:51
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) Putting a Price on good music



Will probably raise some controversy but the new Kenny larkin on
Peacefrog is worth every penny of the 14.99 I paid

Jus listening to it now...

Emotional Detroit techno at its very best.

placid








RE: (313) Putting a Price on good music

2004-04-13 Thread Ken Odeluga
You see, as with the Hood and the Moodymann private pressings, the rationale
would make sense to me if the tracks were clearly so much better than
anything on the LP's which followed soon after. In my opinion, that was not
the case. Not to say that these tracks aren't great. They are, but I really
couldn't say that they outshone material on the subsequent LPs. (Again,
imo.) So it becomes obvious that Peacefrog are exploiting not the fact of
the extra-specialness of these PP releases but the willingness of some folks
to buy releases which are at least partly more valuable because they're
deliberately limited and because they're from some admittedly,
legend-in-their-own-lifetime artists, to us anyway.

And to show that I am just as susceptible to this evil tactic as the next
313 head, I did buy the Rob Hood track! It hurt to leave the KL one on
Saturday - it was purely do to with some residual good-sense on my part! ...
plus I'm gambling the shop I saw it at will still have copies by Thu -
payday!

k

-Original Message-
From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:58 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Putting a Price on good music



 Will probably raise some controversy but the new Kenny larkin on
 Peacefrog is worth every penny of the 14.99 I paid

Is it only one track again?

Martin




(313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix pin up girls records

2004-04-13 Thread placid
Wonder if anyone has any info on this...  it is on 'pin up girls' label
and has 3 very Detroit sounding mixes..  

Take me away pin up girls remix
Tech me away
Take me away - dubbed up mix

Cant find it on discogs...

For anyone that has the sting on acid ep, it looks like the same label
as that

Cat # tma 001..

Any help  much appreciated...

It could be nexus 21 mixes but there is no credits or anything at all...





Re: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix pin up girls records

2004-04-13 Thread Stewart Caig
I have this on Network records. Its by Jeff Mills and James Pennington if I
remember correctly. Massive housey club anthem from back in the day. There
was also a Nexus 21 remix on it.

Stewart

- Original Message -
From: placid [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:31 PM
Subject: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix pin up girls records


 Wonder if anyone has any info on this...  it is on 'pin up girls' label
 and has 3 very Detroit sounding mixes..

 Take me away pin up girls remix
 Tech me away
 Take me away - dubbed up mix

 Cant find it on discogs...

 For anyone that has the sting on acid ep, it looks like the same label
 as that

 Cat # tma 001..

 Any help  much appreciated...

 It could be nexus 21 mixes but there is no credits or anything at all...







RE: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix pin up girls records

2004-04-13 Thread Brendan Nelson
I've got two copies of that - one on Paragon and the other on Network. Neither 
are credited to the Pin-Up Girls though, they're both credited to Final Cut 
with True Faith.

On the offchance... do any of these Pin-Up Girls mixes have the chords from  
E2-E4 on them?

Brendan

 -Original Message-
 From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 13 April 2004 16:35
 To: placid
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix 
 pin up girls
 records
 
 
 I have this on Network records. Its by Jeff Mills and James 
 Pennington if I
 remember correctly. Massive housey club anthem from back in 
 the day. There
 was also a Nexus 21 remix on it.
 
 Stewart
 
 - Original Message -
 From: placid [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:31 PM
 Subject: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix pin up 
 girls records
 
 
  Wonder if anyone has any info on this...  it is on 'pin up 
 girls' label
  and has 3 very Detroit sounding mixes..
 
  Take me away pin up girls remix
  Tech me away
  Take me away - dubbed up mix
 
  Cant find it on discogs...
 
  For anyone that has the sting on acid ep, it looks like the 
 same label
  as that
 
  Cat # tma 001..
 
  Any help  much appreciated...
 
  It could be nexus 21 mixes but there is no credits or 
 anything at all...
 
 
 
 
 
 


RE: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix pin up girls records

2004-04-13 Thread Robert Taylor
http://www.discogs.com/artist/True_Faith_Featuring_Bridget_Grace_With_Final_Cut

-Original Message-
From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:01 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix pin up girls
records


I've got two copies of that - one on Paragon and the other on Network. Neither 
are credited to the Pin-Up Girls though, they're both credited to Final Cut 
with True Faith.

On the offchance... do any of these Pin-Up Girls mixes have the chords from  
E2-E4 on them?

Brendan

 -Original Message-
 From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 13 April 2004 16:35
 To: placid
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix 
 pin up girls
 records
 
 
 I have this on Network records. Its by Jeff Mills and James 
 Pennington if I
 remember correctly. Massive housey club anthem from back in 
 the day. There
 was also a Nexus 21 remix on it.
 
 Stewart
 
 - Original Message -
 From: placid [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:31 PM
 Subject: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix pin up 
 girls records
 
 
  Wonder if anyone has any info on this...  it is on 'pin up 
 girls' label
  and has 3 very Detroit sounding mixes..
 
  Take me away pin up girls remix
  Tech me away
  Take me away - dubbed up mix
 
  Cant find it on discogs...
 
  For anyone that has the sting on acid ep, it looks like the 
 same label
  as that
 
  Cat # tma 001..
 
  Any help  much appreciated...
 
  It could be nexus 21 mixes but there is no credits or 
 anything at all...
 
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix pin up girls records

2004-04-13 Thread Robert Taylor
Oops - wrong one, I think this is it:  http://www.discogs.com/release/66848

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor 
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:07 PM
To: Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix pin up girls
records


http://www.discogs.com/artist/True_Faith_Featuring_Bridget_Grace_With_Final_Cut

-Original Message-
From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:01 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix pin up girls
records


I've got two copies of that - one on Paragon and the other on Network. Neither 
are credited to the Pin-Up Girls though, they're both credited to Final Cut 
with True Faith.

On the offchance... do any of these Pin-Up Girls mixes have the chords from  
E2-E4 on them?

Brendan

 -Original Message-
 From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 13 April 2004 16:35
 To: placid
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix 
 pin up girls
 records
 
 
 I have this on Network records. Its by Jeff Mills and James 
 Pennington if I
 remember correctly. Massive housey club anthem from back in 
 the day. There
 was also a Nexus 21 remix on it.
 
 Stewart
 
 - Original Message -
 From: placid [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:31 PM
 Subject: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix pin up 
 girls records
 
 
  Wonder if anyone has any info on this...  it is on 'pin up 
 girls' label
  and has 3 very Detroit sounding mixes..
 
  Take me away pin up girls remix
  Tech me away
  Take me away - dubbed up mix
 
  Cant find it on discogs...
 
  For anyone that has the sting on acid ep, it looks like the 
 same label
  as that
 
  Cat # tma 001..
 
  Any help  much appreciated...
 
  It could be nexus 21 mixes but there is no credits or 
 anything at all...
 
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix pin up girl s records

2004-04-13 Thread Steward, Tim
That's right it's a Jeff Mills classic with Brigette Grace
a must have for house heads. Most people didn't know it was
a mills track so you may be able to find it. Sorry I can't sell
my copy

TS-1

-Original Message-
From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:35 AM
To: placid
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix pin up girls
records


I have this on Network records. Its by Jeff Mills and James Pennington if I
remember correctly. Massive housey club anthem from back in the day. There
was also a Nexus 21 remix on it.

Stewart

- Original Message -
From: placid [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:31 PM
Subject: (313) Pin up Girls Take me Away dubbed up mix pin up girls records


 Wonder if anyone has any info on this...  it is on 'pin up girls' label
 and has 3 very Detroit sounding mixes..

 Take me away pin up girls remix
 Tech me away
 Take me away - dubbed up mix

 Cant find it on discogs...

 For anyone that has the sting on acid ep, it looks like the same label
 as that

 Cat # tma 001..

 Any help  much appreciated...

 It could be nexus 21 mixes but there is no credits or anything at all...







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RE: (313) Movement 2004 Lineup

2004-04-13 Thread yussel
according to derrick, april 20 is the date.

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Steward, Tim wrote:

 no word yet I tried to send a email to the contact mail
 from the movement site last week and - still no response.

 TS -1

 -Original Message-
 From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:00 AM
 To: 313
 Subject: (313) Movement 2004 Lineup



 so 6 weeks to go and no line up yet?

 anyone know when it's gonna be finalised?

 ta

 robin...



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RE: (313) Movement 2004 Lineup

2004-04-13 Thread Andrew
Ooh ooh! Any reports from this night? Sounded hot. Any standout tracks, wild
goings-on etc. appreciated...

Cheers,

Andrew


-Original Message-
From: Scott K Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 13 April 2004 15:33
To: '313'
Subject: RE: (313) Movement 2004 Lineup


This story about the Stacy Pullen show at the Necto last Thursday said that
the schedule was still a couple of weeks away.

http://www.detroitmovementguide.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=ar
ticlesid=21

Scott

-Original Message-
From: ani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:54 AM
To: 313
Subject: RE: (313) Movement 2004 Lineup


i haven't heard anything either...






Re[2]: (313) Daniel Wang

2004-04-13 Thread z99



quote:

:: PLEASE stop facing the DJ booth when you dance. You know who those people 
are -- and there are a lot of them.


hih, this is funny..

i've noticed people dancing facing random directions in Europe, but in
my homeland named Latvia everyone [with a rare exceptions is facing DJ
as a rule. might have to do something with the fact that the soundsystem
is also mostly located on the DJs end..


/z99




(313) annual music conferences/events

2004-04-13 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




Not counting events like Movement where it's clearly or primarily a bunch
of concerts - what are the most important annual music conferences
worldwide?

also - which are still to occur in the remaining year (if you have a month
or exact date too)?
I've got Mutek on my list already

thanks for your help

hi me off list please

MEK



(313) Mutek info

2004-04-13 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




Anyone have info on cost to attend Mutek - I've been looking at their
website but they don't have prices posted yet (that I can see)

any info would be helpful - especially if you have panel discussion info
too

thanks

MEK



Re: (313) Movement 2004 Lineup

2004-04-13 Thread Cyclone Wehner
This site is sweet as... well done!
I went to Pharaoh Sanders as an Easter treat and I was thinking of Stacey
and the Tomorrow LP right then so that's cool.

--
From: Scott K Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: '313' 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Movement 2004 Lineup
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:33 AM


 This story about the Stacy Pullen show at the Necto last Thursday said that
 the schedule was still a couple of weeks away.

 http://www.detroitmovementguide.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=ar
 ticlesid=21

 Scott

 -Original Message-
 From: ani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:54 AM
 To: 313
 Subject: RE: (313) Movement 2004 Lineup


 i haven't heard anything either...

 


Re: (313) Mutek info

2004-04-13 Thread Tom Churchill
 Anyone have info on cost to attend Mutek - I've been looking at their
 website but they don't have prices posted yet (that I can see)

According to their last mailout: The ONLINE TICKET OFFICE and the COMPLETE
SCHEDULE will be available online on APRIL 21 (at www.mutek.ca)

Cheers,

Tom



(313) Kerri Chandler Stratosphere

2004-04-13 Thread Drew Daugherty
Any opinions as to how hot this 12 is?  Is it worth $20?  I know it is 
somewhat rare...


-drew



Re: (313) Kerri Chandler Stratosphere

2004-04-13 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




Is it worth $20 in MINT never played condition - you forgot to add
;)

MEK



 
  Drew Daugherty
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   313@hyperreal.org 
  
  ce.umn.edu  cc:  
 
   Subject:  (313) Kerri Chandler 
Stratosphere 
  04/13/04 04:11 PM 
 

 

 




Any opinions as to how hot this 12 is?  Is it worth $20?  I know it is
somewhat rare...

-drew