Re: (313) Moby assualt in Boston
On 8/27/06, Joost P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I didn't want to interfere in all this, but in Fred's defense, he never insulted Tom's kid. He only attacked Tom about his mental state (and I happen to agree with him) hey, im glad to take all this free psychiatric advice from you and fred. obviously you guys have it much more together than me. i hope thats working out for you more than it is for fred. tom
Re: (313) Moby assualt in Boston
On 8/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. I like Pittsburgh. We did a cool Plus 8 party there once. Clark Warner, John Acquaviva, myself and Rich. I spent the day @ the Andy Warhol museum. Cute city. i didnt go because i dont like watered down techno. tom
Re: (313) problems posting, carl craig, melancholic techno, hawtin, mills, b***hfest, arsenal, dublin
hello list, posted the following email below on friday, but got no replies as full-on bitchfest, unsurprisingly, seems to be distracting everyone. so here goes round two and hopefully some kind people will generously take some time out and answer my questions. the line about melancholic techno seems appropriate as all this scrappin' is depressing (as well as the fact that both arsenal and dublin lost this weekend). i naively thought we were all, roughly, on the same page, musically. as the song goes 'spread love' (but hate seems a lot more fun, especially when you're watching from the sidelines). you know what, i'd love to go for beers with both tom cox and fred giannelli - maybe not at the same time, though. ta mucho, aidano On 8/25/06, Aidan O'Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've discovered that i can only post to 313 using my gmail account by replying to someone else's mail. and even then i'm not sure if it's showing up on the list (doesn't seem to be working either). anyone know why this could be happening? now, the real reason why i'm posting - carl craig's dj-kicks mix cd. he uses clark 'jak to basics' but the track on the cd does not seem to bear any relation to what's on the planet e release. according to discogs, there are tracks misnamed on the cd, but this is not one of them. i only have the fiirst vinyl of the lofthouse doublepack, is this track from side c or d? if it's a remix of 'jak to basics' carl craig should release it asafp. also, i have a great love for melodic, melancholic techno, eg ur's the illuminator, icon, sterac's osirion, model 500's starlight, likemind rekeases, a lot of arne weinberg's stuff, can anyone make any suggestions of releases that tug at the heartstrings but could still work on dancefloor, eg octave one's burujha? especially recent releases from lesser known labels and lesser known artists. want to know what move people on this list, not just the usual suspects like at les - hopefully the tracks they recommend, if anyone recommends anything, would have the same effect on me. in reference to hawtin, don't think he deserves to be demonised so much. techno needs 'superstars', you never know. hawtin can be the first point of contact when it comes to techno for kids, which may lead them to delve deeper and find the really good stuff. he could be viewed as a portal to this world. if anyone deserves ire, it's the likes of tiesto. also, he is the subject of the slices dvd, he didn't make it. and i see they have ur on the cover of one of their mags, http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImagefriendID=51946037imageID=1041573193MyToken=2b713d54-8462-46fb-937e-0243e8abae67 maybe doing the hawtin edition paid for that. hawtin, villalobos, etc. always come across as personable and affable individuals. last time villalobos played in dublin he was handing out his bottle of vodka and sharing it with the crowd and playing some top notch music. these guys are approachable, not like mills, if recent anecdotes i've read are true: http://testindustries.typepad.com/test/2006/06/index.html thanks, aidano
Re: (313) Orlando, melodic techno, Hawtin
On 8/27/06, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyways i heard you write off james t cotton, tom. i check out all the audion and james cotton etc records that come out, i like them but they're pretty disposable raw acid jams, not many real timeless tracks rising to the top...but james cotton's dancing box album, c'mon! there is a track on there that could be drexciya it is so gnarly and dark. and the whole thing is really good -- i much prefer it to most of the chi-techno stuff floating around these days. yeah i DLed that album from the strength of a track i heard somewhere random. ive rocked it on mp3 here and there, and it is decent but there's definitely not any jams that really stand out to me. ive considered buying some of his other 12s and whatnot, but there always seems to be something better to buy. ive never actually seen one of the early ones of his that i did like from sound samples or id have bought that one. i considered ordering it from ghostly, but there wasnt anything else i needed from them at the time so i didnt. had they had that hands up for detroit record id have got both of those and made an order! tom
Re: (313) problems posting, carl craig, melancholic techno, hawtin, mills, b***hfest, arsenal, dublin
On 8/25/06, Aidan O'Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've discovered that i can only post to 313 using my gmail account by replying to someone else's mail. and even then i'm not sure if it's showing up on the list (doesn't seem to be working either). anyone know why this could be happening? i had the same kind of issue - posted my own cease fire about the bitchfest to the list and it never came through. perhaps this was because i changed the subject line? we'll see if this one makes it. d.
Re: (313) Blade Runner sampling
I wish they'd release a nice new master of it with extras if there are any. Also wish they would release the soundtrack to Picnic At Hanging Rock on CD. It's ridiculous that's unavailable. It's the defining Australian film of the '70s. On 25/08/2006, at 7:14 PM, Simon Hindle wrote: http://www.discogs.com/release/488248 So when blade runner came out (so the story goes), Vangelis was as disappointed with the edit as Ridley Scott was, and refused to release his soundtrack. So they got the New American Orchestra (whoever they might be) to do their own interpretation of the soundtrack and released that, and it was the only legit version of the soundtrack you could get for years. When the director's cut of Blade Runner came out, Vangelis finally allowed his original version of the soundtrack to be released. That's the story I heard anyway, the truth probably involves a little less artistic integrity ;-) Both are great releases in their own rights though. Client Services CCSU-ISTAR Level 27, Governor Macquarie Tower, Sydney, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telephone: 61 2 9228 5501 Facsimile: 61 2 9228 4435 __ This email message, including any attached files, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The NSW Department of Commerce prohibits the right to publish, copy, distribute or disclose any information contained in this email, or its attachments, by any party other than the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender and delete it from your system. No employee or agent is authorised to conclude any binding agreement on behalf of the NSW Department of Commerce by email. The views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Department, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views of NSW Department of Commerce. The NSW Department of Commerce accepts no liability for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email and recommends that the recipient check this email and any attached files for the presence of viruses. __ Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/25/06 6:11 PM Wow, I want to know this too. What is the New American Orchestra one? On 25/08/2006, at 4:42 PM, Simon Hindle wrote: So I've just ordered a bunch of stuff from the sound signature represses and blow me away if Solitary Flight doesn't sample the Blade Runner soundtrack (actually I think it might be the New American Orchestra version). Excuse me if I'm very late on the boat (or spinner) on this one, which I think I am! Anyway, are there any other tracks which sample from the soundtrack? Are any of them any good?
Re: (313) Blade Runner sampling
Funny, I did an article on the influence of film soundtracks on electronic music on inthemix.com.au! ;) On 25/08/2006, at 7:28 PM, Emile Facey - Plant43 wrote: Someone should write a book on the influence on Blade Runner on electronic music! on 25/8/06 10:53 am, Robert Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THX1138 And I've heard loads of Star Trek samples - esp the doors to the bridge of the Enterprise opening and closing -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 August 2006 08:50 To: Robert Taylor; Simon Hindle; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Blade Runner sampling There's a George Lucas movie that was sampled tones as well. XXsomething like that. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 August 2006 10:49 To: Simon Hindle; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Blade Runner sampling Hahahahahhahaha - it's got to be the most sampled film of all time - soundtrack AND dialogue -Original Message- From: Simon Hindle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 August 2006 06:42 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Blade Runner sampling Anyway, are there any other tracks which sample from the soundtrack? Are any of them any good? # ### # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # ### # # # ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # # ###
(313) Um...
I feel completely unqualified to pass judgement on anyone, which is one reason why I don't pretend to have any particular authority on 313. I got the admin job because no one else wanted it. I'm no better than anyone on this list -- I'm an attention seeking, biased, petty, immature person, just like a lot of people here. What makes this list occasionally more than a wankfest is the sense of community that it provides. It is no intrinsically cooler than 30 midwestern housewives who are really into Hummel figurines, or people who trade gay Star Trek fan fiction. We've found that group of people that share our personal obsession. I have tremendous respect for most of the people on this list, and feel like on this one thing, we see eye to eye. What matters about the 313 list is that it is a circle of friends. Friends can disagree about things in a friendly fashion. Friends can give each other crap all the live long day. But for it to work, everyone involved has to maintain a minimum level of respect for everyone else. Over the weekend, this baseline level of mutual respect went out the window, and people were getting ugly. I'm hoping it has died down by now, but I would really like to ask everyone to get back on the happy wagon and stop engaging in hateful personal insults and threats. It just bums me out, frankly, especially when I know the parties involved. And it's just so much noise to the people theoretically under discussion. They have their friends and their work, and they're successful enough in life that they have recognition by a large number of people worldwide. Whatever sh*t has been talked about them on 313 is nothing compared to the ravings of the real losers of the world who have too much free time. The only thing you gain by getting salty with them, or each other in this forum, is membership into the fool's club of their detractors You're just one blob in a demographic lump of folks who want to harsh on their mellow. That's the reason a lot of artists aren't on mailing lists. They're busy, and there are things they'd rather do than slog through our logorrhea. If you want to rip on someone's work, have at it. All I ask is that you figure out a way to be respectful. There's almost never a flame war between people who know each other in real life. Furthermore, it's difficult to judge the real tone and intent of a person simply from e-mail. You're not even seeing them through a glass darkly, you're just seeing the 3rd derivative of the person.
Re: (313) Um...
so, um..is it ok then to like Hawtin on this list or not? f. ducks
(313) Something else
From a listmember, who I hope doesn't mind me quoting him without attribution: some of the things that pisses ME off on this list are: a. gross generalisations or sweeping judgements b. equating one's opinions with fact c. ripping the scene, like other musicians, labels etc without having a right to ie: being one, having one or being active in making the scene grow. A and B bear repeating. C I'm not 100% down with, because I don't believe you have to be part of something to pass judgement on it. I'm not part of the furry fan fiction scene, but I feel like I can pass judgement on it. PS Furry Fan Fiction is Great!
Re: (313) Something else
Kent say: a. gross generalisations or sweeping judgements These are always wrong, even if they're right. -- b. equating one's opinions with fact This is probably the most annoying, asinine and snarkiest of the problems. We all feel like we can 'spot' quality in some universal sense when we hear it, but anyone capable of thinking past their own nasal passages should realize that there's a LOT of subjectivity involved in how *I* feel the music versus how *you* feel (and I stress 'feel') it. Even if you are able to articulate, diagram and argue what it is you think is objectively 'good', it doesn't make your notion some sort of universal standard nor does it make anyone who does not bow before it a lesser being. Having said that, we all practice discrimination in taste and find certain forms of music 'lesser' and 'greater' on the hierarchy, which is one of the reasons this list and others like it exist. Unless one is a phenomenologist (which, in my opinon, assumes unproven too much about commonality in substance, perception and medium), there really is no excuse for it. It's one thing to feel (like I certainly do) that x is better than y, but quite another to argue rationally as though everyone else has to do so. -- c. ripping the scene, like other musicians, labels etc without having a right to ie: being one, having one or being active in making the scene grow. A and B bear repeating. C I'm not 100% down with, because I don't believe you have to be part of something to pass judgement on it. I would agree with you on this Kent - with one qualifier. All opinions are not created equal; arguments can more be and less credible. We all pass judgment on things of which we aren't part and parcel, but there are certainly different qualifications for how much weight I will give opinions based on their source's experience, credentials, expertise, and (here's a big one for me) the person's ability to see or present him/herself as able to see and handle major dissenting opinions to theirs, etc. Everyone has the right to an opinion, but the privilege to be heard and, furthermore, considered is earned. Or not. jeff
Re: (313) Um...
not if you want to hang out with tom forilla than u cox at the next demf (which Im sure he'll be boycotting from a safe distance, but just inside the detroit city limits (lest he be accused of not keeping it real)) fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, um..is it ok then to like Hawtin on this list or not? f. ducks
RE: (313) Um...
Ahh hahaha! That was awesome! Sounds like something I'd do. Keep it real dunn. k -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:53 AM To: fab.; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Um... not if you want to hang out with tom forilla than u cox at the next demf (which Im sure he'll be boycotting from a safe distance, but just inside the detroit city limits (lest he be accused of not keeping it real)) fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, um..is it ok then to like Hawtin on this list or not? f. ducks
(313) haiku for 313 healing
Techno fans suck a$$ For arguing on e-mail Love is the message K Mwnb Ps. I'm not asian or an art fag. I just like haikus. I think the next time this happens, I'll reinterpret everyones flame posts into haikus for them. For some reason (cadence maybe?) it's hard to sound too derogatory in that format. Ob313: the metro times ran a fresh haiku about Detroit right here: http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=5241
Re: (313) problems posting, carl craig, melancholic techno, hawtin, mills, b***hfest, arsenal, dublin
Aiden the track is Clip on the C side of the lofthouse double. great record, thanks for the reminder hadn't pulled it out in a while! Dang Aidan O'Doherty wrote: now, the real reason why i'm posting - carl craig's dj-kicks mix cd. he uses clark 'jak to basics' but the track on the cd does not seem to bear any relation to what's on the planet e release. according to discogs, there are tracks misnamed on the cd, but this is not one of them. i only have the fiirst vinyl of the lofthouse doublepack, is this track from side c or d? if
Re: (313) Um...
It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be congratulated for being yourself. The other side of that line is you realize that the world itself is interesting, and you should take a look, instead of wanting it to pay attention at you. - Richard Hell, Epilogue, The Filth And The Fury No prizes for guessing who is the kid on this list. - Greg
Re: (313) Um...
No prizes for pointing fingers either. Nice quote though - something to remember. MEK Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/28/2006 12:22:58 PM: It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be congratulated for being yourself. The other side of that line is you realize that the world itself is interesting, and you should take a look, instead of wanting it to pay attention at you. - Richard Hell, Epilogue, The Filth And The Fury No prizes for guessing who is the kid on this list. - Greg
Re: (313) Um...
On 8/28/06, Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be congratulated for being yourself. The other side of that line is you realize that the world itself is interesting, and you should take a look, instead of wanting it to pay attention at you. - Richard Hell, Epilogue, The Filth And The Fury No prizes for guessing who is the kid on this list. yeah, richard hell, the great philosopher, i read his work all the time. or not. i much prefer: Only sick music makes money today. Friedrich Nietzsche no prizes for guessing who will be laughing at the old cods on this list dying one by one someday. tom
Re: (313) Um...
We get our payoff up front, watching the kids being clowns. On 8/28/06, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no prizes for guessing who will be laughing at the old cods on this list dying one by one someday.
Re: (313) Um...
...and realizing that they're next in line. jeff -- Original message -- From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] We get our payoff up front, watching the kids being clowns. On 8/28/06, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no prizes for guessing who will be laughing at the old cods on this list dying one by one someday.
Re: (313) Um...
Will everyone just STFU about it already? The horse is dead and buried. No wonder people unsub from this list... MEK
Re: (313) Um...
It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be congratulated for being yourself. The other side of that line is you realize that the world itself is interesting, and you should take a look, instead of wanting it to pay attention at you. - Richard Hell, Epilogue, The Filth And The Fury that's all very well for richard when he wrote that. but by that definition, adults would never do anything different or interesting. it seems he has it a bit backwards: as a kid, you're in awe and wonder at the world, soaking it all up like a sponge. it's as an adolsecent that you begin to think your 'rents aren't all that, and you have have a few ideas of your own. then those ideas can calcify and become immutable personalities who think their experience mneans they know it all, and only need to see the world through glass while on holiday. this is no attack on anyone on this list, nor does it presume to define these types by specific age ranges. obviously the best balance would be to continue both learning and contributing through out one's life. kudos to those who do. d. Sent via the WebMail system at chthonicstreams.com
Re: (313) Um...
It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be congratulated for being yourself. The other side of that line is you realize that the world itself is interesting, and you should take a look, instead of wanting it to pay attention at you. ^ world is fascinating, true.. you dont need anyone to tell you that -if ppl need someone else to write/say it - there is no hope. same as there is no hope for sanity of the majority - brainwashed and ultimately tasteless..
