(313) CC Bodytonic Podcast + Paperclip People Liveset
Carl Craig plays favourites for Bodytonic Podcast, Donald Byrd, Tribe, Alice Coltrane, etc http://www.bodytonicmusic.com/podcasts/2009/nov/24/bodytonic-podcast-059/ and a Paperclip People liveset from San Francisco 1998 http://soundcloud.com/planetedetroit/pcpsf
(313) boring friday - pt1
pls finally tell us which is your favorite version of strings of life? a short guide // http://www.discogs.com/Rhythim-Is-Rhythim-Strings-Of-Life-89/master/695 There were five official versions of the song. The first two were released in 1987: the famous 7:23 mix called Strings Of Life (Piano Mix) or just Strings Of Life, and a 6:56 remix called Strings (Flam-Boy-Ant Mix) or just Strings. In 1989, two new remixes were licensed exclusively to UK European labels: a Juan Atkins remix called Strings Of Life '89 (Juan's Magic Mix), and an uncredited remix called Strings of Life (Exclusive Remix) (issued on a split release http://www.discogs.com/release/61252 with Model 500). In 1991, an 8:23 kick drum-free version titled Strings Of Life (Unreleased Mix), Strings Of Life (Remix), or Strings Of The Strings Of Life first appeared, and featured additional production by Carl Craig Derrick May. This mix was unreleased in the sense that it was new at the time and was never officially released on a single; only on compilations. Numerous compilations feature early fades and other space-saving edits of the original 1987 Piano Mix, the 1989 Exclusive Remix, and the 1991 Unreleased Mix.
(313) boring friday - pt2
oh, and your favorite carl craig remix top 10 of course
(313) boring friday - pt3
and last but not least your favorite abdul hacq / third earth covers top 3
(313) Carl Craig/Francesco Tristano The Melody
Not sure what I make of the track itself, but the Boomkat review has a sentence I found hilarious Mr Tristano returns with the suspiciously similar 'The melody', backed up with an absolutly essential Carl Craig remix for all those techno fans with a closet passion for Liberace. I'm trying to picture the Venn diagram of techno fans and Liberace fans.
RE: (313) Carl Craig/Francesco Tristano The Melody
I like Boomkat's random shards of disdain. Although the fact that 99% of their reviews make each item sound like the next best thing since sliced bread, still leaves the final joke on them! -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 3:13 PM To: list 313 Subject: (313) Carl Craig/Francesco Tristano The Melody Not sure what I make of the track itself, but the Boomkat review has a sentence I found hilarious Mr Tristano returns with the suspiciously similar 'The melody', backed up with an absolutly essential Carl Craig remix for all those techno fans with a closet passion for Liberace. I'm trying to picture the Venn diagram of techno fans and Liberace fans.
Re: (313) Carl Craig/Francesco Tristano The Melody
On 27 Nov 2009, at 15:23, Odeluga, Ken wrote: I like Boomkat's random shards of disdain. Although the fact that 99% of their reviews make each item sound like the next best thing since sliced bread, still leaves the final joke on them! This comes up a lot from techno heads, what do you really expect them to put? m
RE: (313) Carl Craig/Francesco Tristano The Melody
No reviews at all! You've got the clips on there, the records can speak for themselves, so to speak ... -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:mar...@dustscience.com] Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 3:45 PM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Carl Craig/Francesco Tristano The Melody On 27 Nov 2009, at 15:23, Odeluga, Ken wrote: I like Boomkat's random shards of disdain. Although the fact that 99% of their reviews make each item sound like the next best thing since sliced bread, still leaves the final joke on them! This comes up a lot from techno heads, what do you really expect them to put? m
Re: (313) Carl Craig/Francesco Tristano The Melody
On 27 Nov 2009, at 15:49, Odeluga, Ken wrote: No reviews at all! You've got the clips on there, the records can speak for themselves, so to speak ... Haha - fair enough :) m
Re: (313) Carl Craig/Francesco Tristano The Melody
As a frequent, repeat customer of Boomkat, I feel compelled to rise to their defense. I write music reviews for a local free paper, and have written in the past for a variety of publications. What one realizes very quickly in writing reviews, is that it is difficult to do at all, let alone well. Especially when it comes to electronic music, where you don't often have lyrics to provide some sort of 'meaning' to critique. And the more you do it (and I've written hundreds over the past 10 years) the less you actually have to say. Boomkat's reviews are actually well written, and are much, much better than any other download store site on the internet. They are consistently helpful to me -- they provide context to each release which sends me off to research other related music. They are also sometimes humorous without succumbing to the jokey Britishisms that grate the ear when you read a lot of UK music publications. They are definitely oriented towards trying to shift units. They definitely reflect the personal prejudices of the writers. They, no doubt, occasionally give more weight to their friends or labels they don't want to make into enemies. But it's like reading anything -- you have to consider the source and make up your own mind. It isn't as bad as Beatport. Beatport tries to be all things to all people, so they pimp absolute sh1t. Beatport has discovered that you can make money catering to DJs with no taste, no shame, and no soul. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com wrote: On 27 Nov 2009, at 15:23, Odeluga, Ken wrote: I like Boomkat's random shards of disdain. Although the fact that 99% of their reviews make each item sound like the next best thing since sliced bread, still leaves the final joke on them! This comes up a lot from techno heads, what do you really expect them to put? m
Re: (313) Carl Craig/Francesco Tristano The Melody
I gave up on music shop reviews about five years ago. That said, Rub-a-dub's tweets are very useful, and necessarily brief. On 27/11/2009 17:00, kent williams wrote: As a frequent, repeat customer of Boomkat, I feel compelled to rise to their defense. I write music reviews for a local free paper, and have written in the past for a variety of publications. What one realizes very quickly in writing reviews, is that it is difficult to do at all, let alone well. Especially when it comes to electronic music, where you don't often have lyrics to provide some sort of 'meaning' to critique. And the more you do it (and I've written hundreds over the past 10 years) the less you actually have to say. Boomkat's reviews are actually well written, and are much, much better than any other download store site on the internet. They are consistently helpful to me -- they provide context to each release which sends me off to research other related music. They are also sometimes humorous without succumbing to the jokey Britishisms that grate the ear when you read a lot of UK music publications. They are definitely oriented towards trying to shift units. They definitely reflect the personal prejudices of the writers. They, no doubt, occasionally give more weight to their friends or labels they don't want to make into enemies. But it's like reading anything -- you have to consider the source and make up your own mind. It isn't as bad as Beatport. Beatport tries to be all things to all people, so they pimp absolute sh1t. Beatport has discovered that you can make money catering to DJs with no taste, no shame, and no soul. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Martin Dustmar...@dustscience.com wrote: On 27 Nov 2009, at 15:23, Odeluga, Ken wrote: I like Boomkat's random shards of disdain. Although the fact that 99% of their reviews make each item sound like the next best thing since sliced bread, still leaves the final joke on them! This comes up a lot from techno heads, what do you really expect them to put? m
Re: (313) Did anyone stick around to see the comments on Dan Bean's interview with Juan?
I agree. Most of us weren't there. It's very easy to accept the story as told by British music journalists that there were only a couple of major players, but history is always messier than that. There were dozens of DJs and musicians all doing similar things to varying degrees of success throughout the Midwest. Juan has even claimed that he invented Chicago house music. As important as he is to the history of music, I take what he says with a grain of salt. J mistamuthaf...@yahoo.com wrote: In the end it is the victor who gets to write the history book...So the story that gets told will probably look and feel a bit different than what actually happened. I would take it with a grain of salt considering Eddie's side of the story. I am leaning toward Eddie, Derrick, and Juan all being there at the same time. --Original Message-- From: Fred Heutte To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Nov 26, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: Re: (313) Did anyone stick around to see the comments on Dan Bean's interview with Juan? Of course we've always known that the D in Detroit stands for Drama :) It's a revealing series of comments. I get the impression there is still something of a mini-generation gap. There are those who built the party scene in the early 1980s when DD was the undisputed flagship, and high level of DJ skills and all the party trappings are rightfully points of pride. And there are those who came in later who were starting to focus more on making tracks as well as DJing. But there was a disappointing series of hits on Juan, which at least got a corrective from Mike Clark's precise recounting of the battle-that-couldn't-have-happened. I look through the list of commenters and see so many people who contrbuted to the music that we have all been able to appreciate. There is nothing unusual about competition in a musical context, and all the resentments that build up in a local music scene, well, that's always going to happen. It's just too bad that respect was so hard to earn then, and still is today. fh - Wow... what a series of comments!!! My entire understanding of the history timeline has shifted... and my favorite part is that Juan says he and Derrick were working together first before Eddie joined the crew... Eddie is so full of it, he's always saying he came before Derrick and that he should get more credit than Derrick, but Juan says right in the interview that Derrick was first... classic ~Jodie On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:21 PM, kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: Hoo boy! http://www.bleep43.com/bleep43/2009/10/4/juan-atkins-interview-part-one.html Comments from Todd Johnson of Direct Drive, Delano Smith, Theresa Hill, Al Ester, and Mike Clark. Apparently they took some exception to some of the stuff Juan said... Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
RE: (313) Bleep43 December Party With Surgeon, Patrice Scott, DJ Pete, New World Aquarium More
Sorry Ken, I bought a ticket (and some for my friends) and will be making the journey South. So much good effort into a night, only to have us lot show and trash it. From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:k...@bleep43.com] Sent: 26 November 2009 21:26 We're carrying on with the pretty much unbroken series of at least one Detroit act in each of our parties over the last year or so. On December 11 we're hosting the UK's Surgeon and Berlin's DJ Pete [Aka Substance] as they bring the rare synergy of their occasional back-to-back session from Berlin to Bleep43 for a second time. We are also very proud to present what will be a session of magical house music and more, from Amsterdam's veteran of the deep, Newworldaquarium. Add to that, we're sure there'll be a fine selection of finely mixed music from the much-in-demand Mr. Patrice Scott. Top things off with Bleep43 DJs and live acts, l and I think it's fair to say we have a special night on offer for the discerning ear and open mind.
(313) Farewell the 1200 / 1210
Panasonic have apparently announced that production of Technics 1200 / 1210s will cease Feb 2010. (for me at least) :'-( Proper end of an era moment, though of course so solid are they that I imagine some will carry on for many a decade hopefully eventually get special minority spares manufacture etc. Still... (please let this be a quiet moment of reflection for those interested, rather than an excuse to start the deck / other forms of DJing hating)
Re: (313) Farewell the 1200 / 1210
i've found no source to that issue. this afternoon panasonic germany had no info to that issue as well. maybe its a hoax fran...@thatamazingthing.com schrieb: Panasonic have apparently announced that production of Technics 1200 / 1210s will cease Feb 2010. (for me at least) :'-( Proper end of an era moment, though of course so solid are they that I imagine some will carry on for many a decade hopefully eventually get special minority spares manufacture etc. Still... (please let this be a quiet moment of reflection for those interested, rather than an excuse to start the deck / other forms of DJing hating)
RE: (313) Farewell the 1200 / 1210
Ha! Don't believe all you read on FB. No sooner had I posted on there than I saw Marsel pointing out this was Mark 5s only, Mk 2s to continue. (not sure I get that but there you go) As you were, soz From: Gunther [mailto:gunt...@grapweb.de] Sent: 27 November 2009 21:23 i've found no source to that issue. this afternoon panasonic germany had no info to that issue as well. maybe its a hoax fran...@thatamazingthing.com schrieb: Panasonic have apparently announced that production of Technics 1200 / 1210s will cease Feb 2010
Re: (313) Did anyone stick around to see the comments on Dan Bean's interview with Juan?
Juan has even claimed that he invented Chicago house music. Source for that? fh - I agree. Most of us weren't there. It's very easy to accept the story as told by British music journalists that there were only a couple of major players, but history is always messier than that. There were dozens of DJs and musicians all doing similar things to varying degrees of success throughout the Midwest. Juan has even claimed that he invented Chicago house music. As important as he is to the history of music, I take what he says with a grain of salt. J mistamuthaf...@yahoo.com wrote: In the end it is the victor who gets to write the history book...So the story that gets told will probably look and feel a bit different than what actually happened. I would take it with a grain of salt considering Eddie's side of the story. I am leaning toward Eddie, Derrick, and Juan all being there at the same time. --Original Message-- From: Fred Heutte To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Nov 26, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: Re: (313) Did anyone stick around to see the comments on Dan Bean's interview with Juan? Of course we've always known that the D in Detroit stands for Drama :) It's a revealing series of comments. I get the impression there is still something of a mini-generation gap. There are those who built the party scene in the early 1980s when DD was the undisputed flagship, and high level of DJ skills and all the party trappings are rightfully points of pride. And there are those who came in later who were starting to focus more on making tracks as well as DJing. But there was a disappointing series of hits on Juan, which at least got a corrective from Mike Clark's precise recounting of the battle-that-couldn't-have-happened. I look through the list of commenters and see so many people who contrbuted to the music that we have all been able to appreciate. There is nothing unusual about competition in a musical context, and all the resentments that build up in a local music scene, well, that's always going to happen. It's just too bad that respect was so hard to earn then, and still is today. fh - Wow... what a series of comments!!! My entire understanding of the history timeline has shifted... and my favorite part is that Juan says he and Derrick were working together first before Eddie joined the crew... Eddie is so full of it, he's always saying he came before Derrick and that he should get more credit than Derrick, but Juan says right in the interview that Derrick was first... classic ~Jodie On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:21 PM, kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: Hoo boy! http://www.bleep43.com/bleep43/2009/10/4/juan-atkins-interview-part-one.html Comments from Todd Johnson of Direct Drive, Delano Smith, Theresa Hill, Al Ester, and Mike Clark. Apparently they took some exception to some of the stuff Juan said... Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
Re: (313) Carl Craig/Francesco Tristano The Melody
What? We Tweet? You'll be telling me that we've got a Facebook Page next Jason (the Techno Luddite!) 2009/11/27 Tristan Watkins phonop...@googlemail.com I gave up on music shop reviews about five years ago. That said, Rub-a-dub's tweets are very useful, and necessarily brief. On 27/11/2009 17:00, kent williams wrote: As a frequent, repeat customer of Boomkat, I feel compelled to rise to their defense. I write music reviews for a local free paper, and have written in the past for a variety of publications. What one realizes very quickly in writing reviews, is that it is difficult to do at all, let alone well. Especially when it comes to electronic music, where you don't often have lyrics to provide some sort of 'meaning' to critique. And the more you do it (and I've written hundreds over the past 10 years) the less you actually have to say. Boomkat's reviews are actually well written, and are much, much better than any other download store site on the internet. They are consistently helpful to me -- they provide context to each release which sends me off to research other related music. They are also sometimes humorous without succumbing to the jokey Britishisms that grate the ear when you read a lot of UK music publications. They are definitely oriented towards trying to shift units. They definitely reflect the personal prejudices of the writers. They, no doubt, occasionally give more weight to their friends or labels they don't want to make into enemies. But it's like reading anything -- you have to consider the source and make up your own mind. It isn't as bad as Beatport. Beatport tries to be all things to all people, so they pimp absolute sh1t. Beatport has discovered that you can make money catering to DJs with no taste, no shame, and no soul. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Martin Dustmar...@dustscience.com wrote: On 27 Nov 2009, at 15:23, Odeluga, Ken wrote: I like Boomkat's random shards of disdain. Although the fact that 99% of their reviews make each item sound like the next best thing since sliced bread, still leaves the final joke on them! This comes up a lot from techno heads, what do you really expect them to put? m
Fw: (313) Farewell the 1200 / 1210
Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: mistamuthaf...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:42:49 To: Gunthergunt...@grapweb.de Subject: Re: (313) Farewell the 1200 / 1210 There have been rumours for years regarding the demise of the 1200s. I think what you will find is that some markeTs won't carry them anymore, and others will. I found someone mentioning that other high end Technics models are not going away. --Original Message-- From: Gunther To: list 313 Sent: Nov 27, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: Re: (313) Farewell the 1200 / 1210 i've found no source to that issue. this afternoon panasonic germany had no info to that issue as well. maybe its a hoax fran...@thatamazingthing.com schrieb: Panasonic have apparently announced that production of Technics 1200 / 1210s will cease Feb 2010. (for me at least) :'-( Proper end of an era moment, though of course so solid are they that I imagine some will carry on for many a decade hopefully eventually get special minority spares manufacture etc. Still... (please let this be a quiet moment of reflection for those interested, rather than an excuse to start the deck / other forms of DJing hating) Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
Re: (313) Did anyone stick around to see the comments on Dan Bean's interview with Juan?
I was thinking specifically of the book History of House by Chris Kempster (which collects older interviews). My email sounded a little harsher than I intended ;-) I'm just saying it's good now that there's some healthy debate! Fred Heutte wrote: Juan has even claimed that he invented Chicago house music. Source for that? fh - I agree. Most of us weren't there. It's very easy to accept the story as told by British music journalists that there were only a couple of major players, but history is always messier than that. There were dozens of DJs and musicians all doing similar things to varying degrees of success throughout the Midwest. Juan has even claimed that he invented Chicago house music. As important as he is to the history of music, I take what he says with a grain of salt. J mistamuthaf...@yahoo.com wrote: In the end it is the victor who gets to write the history book...So the story that gets told will probably look and feel a bit different than what actually happened. I would take it with a grain of salt considering Eddie's side of the story. I am leaning toward Eddie, Derrick, and Juan all being there at the same time. --Original Message-- From: Fred Heutte To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Nov 26, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: Re: (313) Did anyone stick around to see the comments on Dan Bean's interview with Juan? Of course we've always known that the D in Detroit stands for Drama :) It's a revealing series of comments. I get the impression there is still something of a mini-generation gap. There are those who built the party scene in the early 1980s when DD was the undisputed flagship, and high level of DJ skills and all the party trappings are rightfully points of pride. And there are those who came in later who were starting to focus more on making tracks as well as DJing. But there was a disappointing series of hits on Juan, which at least got a corrective from Mike Clark's precise recounting of the battle-that-couldn't-have-happened. I look through the list of commenters and see so many people who contrbuted to the music that we have all been able to appreciate. There is nothing unusual about competition in a musical context, and all the resentments that build up in a local music scene, well, that's always going to happen. It's just too bad that respect was so hard to earn then, and still is today. fh - Wow... what a series of comments!!! My entire understanding of the history timeline has shifted... and my favorite part is that Juan says he and Derrick were working together first before Eddie joined the crew... Eddie is so full of it, he's always saying he came before Derrick and that he should get more credit than Derrick, but Juan says right in the interview that Derrick was first... classic ~Jodie On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:21 PM, kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: Hoo boy! http://www.bleep43.com/bleep43/2009/10/4/juan-atkins-interview-part-one.html Comments from Todd Johnson of Direct Drive, Delano Smith, Theresa Hill, Al Ester, and Mike Clark. Apparently they took some exception to some of the stuff Juan said... Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
Re: (313) Did anyone stick around to see the comments on Dan Bean's interview with Juan?
I've never seen Kempster's book but I think the notion that Juan 'invented' Chicago house is a distortion of what he said in an article rather famous in these precincts, namely Simon Trask's December 1988 interview, in which Juan also mentions the (in)famous DS/DD battle. http://www.mobeus.org/archives/juanatkins/ Now then, if you want a controversial Juan Atkins quote, how about this one: In this country it's very hard for creative thought to escape capitalism. http://music.hyperreal.org/library/publicity/juan_atkins/interview.html I appreciate Juan Atkins not only for his pioneering role in techno and popular electronic music generally, but because he has been a steady voice all these years for a humanistic approach to making music rather than a totally commercialized one. That said, as Juan himself has noted, it's pretty much impossible now to make a living off of recordings, so I wish him and the rest of Model 500 good fortune on their live gigs. fh - I was thinking specifically of the book History of House by Chris Kempster (which collects older interviews). My email sounded a little harsher than I intended ;-) I'm just saying it's good now that there's some healthy debate! Fred Heutte wrote: Juan has even claimed that he invented Chicago house music. Source for that? fh - I agree. Most of us weren't there. It's very easy to accept the story as told by British music journalists that there were only a couple of major players, but history is always messier than that. There were dozens of DJs and musicians all doing similar things to varying degrees of success throughout the Midwest. Juan has even claimed that he invented Chicago house music. As important as he is to the history of music, I take what he says with a grain of salt. J mistamuthaf...@yahoo.com wrote: In the end it is the victor who gets to write the history book...So the story that gets told will probably look and feel a bit different than what actually happened. I would take it with a grain of salt considering Eddie's side of the story. I am leaning toward Eddie, Derrick, and Juan all being there at the same time. --Original Message-- From: Fred Heutte To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Nov 26, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: Re: (313) Did anyone stick around to see the comments on Dan Bean's interview with Juan? Of course we've always known that the D in Detroit stands for Drama :) It's a revealing series of comments. I get the impression there is still something of a mini-generation gap. There are those who built the party scene in the early 1980s when DD was the undisputed flagship, and high level of DJ skills and all the party trappings are rightfully points of pride. And there are those who came in later who were starting to focus more on making tracks as well as DJing. But there was a disappointing series of hits on Juan, which at least got a corrective from Mike Clark's precise recounting of the battle-that-couldn't-have-happened. I look through the list of commenters and see so many people who contrbuted to the music that we have all been able to appreciate. There is nothing unusual about competition in a musical context, and all the resentments that build up in a local music scene, well, that's always going to happen. It's just too bad that respect was so hard to earn then, and still is today. fh - Wow... what a series of comments!!! My entire understanding of the history timeline has shifted... and my favorite part is that Juan says he and Derrick were working together first before Eddie joined the crew... Eddie is so full of it, he's always saying he came before Derrick and that he should get more credit than Derrick, but Juan says right in the interview that Derrick was first... classic ~Jodie On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:21 PM, kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: Hoo boy! http://www.bleep43.com/bleep43/2009/10/4/juan-atkins-interview-part-one.html Comments from Todd Johnson of Direct Drive, Delano Smith, Theresa Hill, Al Ester, and Mike Clark. Apparently they took some exception to some of the stuff Juan said... Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
Re: (313) boring friday - pt1
Well, I'm partial to Juan's remix and the kickless version included on the Retro Techno compilation. Marsel van der Wielen wrote: pls finally tell us which is your favorite version of strings of life? a short guide // http://www.discogs.com/Rhythim-Is-Rhythim-Strings-Of-Life-89/master/695 There were five official versions of the song. The first two were released in 1987: the famous 7:23 mix called Strings Of Life (Piano Mix) or just Strings Of Life, and a 6:56 remix called Strings (Flam-Boy-Ant Mix) or just Strings. In 1989, two new remixes were licensed exclusively to UK European labels: a Juan Atkins remix called Strings Of Life '89 (Juan's Magic Mix), and an uncredited remix called Strings of Life (Exclusive Remix) (issued on a split release http://www.discogs.com/release/61252 with Model 500). In 1991, an 8:23 kick drum-free version titled Strings Of Life (Unreleased Mix), Strings Of Life (Remix), or Strings Of The Strings Of Life first appeared, and featured additional production by Carl Craig Derrick May. This mix was unreleased in the sense that it was new at the time and was never officially released on a single; only on compilations. Numerous compilations feature early fades and other space-saving edits of the original 1987 Piano Mix, the 1989 Exclusive Remix, and the 1991 Unreleased Mix.
Re: (313) Did anyone stick around to see the comments on Dan Bean's interview with Juan?
Interesting - this thread has stimulated my memory. When I interviewed Juan back in '95 as part of the series of Detroit techno radio specials I did back then, he mentioned Frankie Knuckles and the 909. I think he also mentioned Derrick May selling Metroplex 12s in Chicago out of the trunk of his car, which makes sense know, seeing as he had folks in Chicago. The musical labels were less in place at that time. Mike Banks sorta took me to task about that when I interviewed him - that was a mother of an interview, with everything thrown in the pot from urban decay to UFOs. Fred Heutte wrote: I've never seen Kempster's book but I think the notion that Juan 'invented' Chicago house is a distortion of what he said in an article rather famous in these precincts, namely Simon Trask's December 1988 interview, in which Juan also mentions the (in)famous DS/DD battle. http://www.mobeus.org/archives/juanatkins/ Now then, if you want a controversial Juan Atkins quote, how about this one: In this country it's very hard for creative thought to escape capitalism. http://music.hyperreal.org/library/publicity/juan_atkins/interview.html I appreciate Juan Atkins not only for his pioneering role in techno and popular electronic music generally, but because he has been a steady voice all these years for a humanistic approach to making music rather than a totally commercialized one. That said, as Juan himself has noted, it's pretty much impossible now to make a living off of recordings, so I wish him and the rest of Model 500 good fortune on their live gigs. fh - I was thinking specifically of the book History of House by Chris Kempster (which collects older interviews). My email sounded a little harsher than I intended ;-) I'm just saying it's good now that there's some healthy debate! Fred Heutte wrote: Juan has even claimed that he invented Chicago house music. Source for that? fh - I agree. Most of us weren't there. It's very easy to accept the story as told by British music journalists that there were only a couple of major players, but history is always messier than that. There were dozens of DJs and musicians all doing similar things to varying degrees of success throughout the Midwest. Juan has even claimed that he invented Chicago house music. As important as he is to the history of music, I take what he says with a grain of salt. J mistamuthaf...@yahoo.com wrote: In the end it is the victor who gets to write the history book...So the story that gets told will probably look and feel a bit different than what actually happened. I would take it with a grain of salt considering Eddie's side of the story. I am leaning toward Eddie, Derrick, and Juan all being there at the same time. --Original Message-- From: Fred Heutte To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Nov 26, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: Re: (313) Did anyone stick around to see the comments on Dan Bean's interview with Juan? Of course we've always known that the D in Detroit stands for Drama :) It's a revealing series of comments. I get the impression there is still something of a mini-generation gap. There are those who built the party scene in the early 1980s when DD was the undisputed flagship, and high level of DJ skills and all the party trappings are rightfully points of pride. And there are those who came in later who were starting to focus more on making tracks as well as DJing. But there was a disappointing series of hits on Juan, which at least got a corrective from Mike Clark's precise recounting of the battle-that-couldn't-have-happened. I look through the list of commenters and see so many people who contrbuted to the music that we have all been able to appreciate. There is nothing unusual about competition in a musical context, and all the resentments that build up in a local music scene, well, that's always going to happen. It's just too bad that respect was so hard to earn then, and still is today. fh - Wow... what a series of comments!!! My entire understanding of the history timeline has shifted... and my favorite part is that Juan says he and Derrick were working together first before Eddie joined the crew... Eddie is so full of it, he's always saying he came before Derrick and that he should get more credit than Derrick, but Juan says right in the interview that Derrick was first... classic ~Jodie On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:21 PM, kent williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: Hoo boy! http://www.bleep43.com/bleep43/2009/10/4/juan-atkins-interview-part-one.html Comments from Todd Johnson of Direct Drive, Delano Smith, Theresa Hill, Al Ester, and Mike Clark. Apparently they took some exception to some of the stuff Juan said... Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
(313) The Vault - November 18, 2009 feat. DJ Gyle
Show archives are available online. To get to them, visit www.AntonBanks.com and click on Archives. Planned guests for the next few weeks: TBA CLICK THE LINK TO HEAR THE SHOW http://www.antonbanks.com/audio/the_vault_11-18-09.mp3 Tracklist for the show: [Artist, Track, Label] Ricardo Tobar, Mi Pieza Esta Llena de Cosas (Applescal rmx), Traum Numbercult, How can you lose, Numbercult Kiki, Immortal (Holger Zilske rmx), Bpitch Taho, Amarylis Sky, Lumina Orlando Voorn, Angles (Fran Hartnett's Dreamstate rmx), D.E.A.F. Promo Hiroaki Izuka, Glow (Grovskopa rmx), Soleil Gyle, Scorpio Rising, (unsigned dubplate) ### DJ set by DJ Gyle For info about him, visit www.djgyle.com Steve Parker, Loaded (Xpansul rmx), Synewave Tony Rohr, Baile Conmigo, Macintosh Xpansul, B, Synewave 87 Adam Beyer, Agaric, California Gold, Mad Eye Dietrich Schoenemann, No Strase, Hidden Agenda Pratab, Mobel, HZ Trax David Squillance, Miss Gigler (Darko Esser rmx), Luna Flex Joey Beltram, See through accordion, Harthouse Joey Beltram, Striking Distance, Drumcode Josh Wink, Everybody to the sun, Ovum Christian Smith John Selway, Mistral, Bedrock Luis Nieva, Frecuency, Sino ### Recloose, Four Ways of Saying Goodbye, Spelunking, Planet-E Enjoy, Anton --- Click for info about the show: www.antonbanks.com/bio.html *** I appreciate all promotional music sent to me and will never sell any of it online or anywhere else. All promotional material sent to me is aired on my show as well as used in my DJ sets when I play out.
Re: (313) boring friday - pt1
I play the 10th planet version. I like the Rhythm is Rhythm repeating vocal and the piano breakdown. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Richard Hester gwrenc...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Well, I'm partial to Juan's remix and the kickless version included on the Retro Techno compilation. Marsel van der Wielen wrote: pls finally tell us which is your favorite version of strings of life? a short guide // http://www.discogs.com/Rhythim-Is-Rhythim-Strings-Of-Life-89/master/695 There were five official versions of the song. The first two were released in 1987: the famous 7:23 mix called Strings Of Life (Piano Mix) or just Strings Of Life, and a 6:56 remix called Strings (Flam-Boy-Ant Mix) or just Strings. In 1989, two new remixes were licensed exclusively to UK European labels: a Juan Atkins remix called Strings Of Life '89 (Juan's Magic Mix), and an uncredited remix called Strings of Life (Exclusive Remix) (issued on a split release http://www.discogs.com/release/61252 with Model 500). In 1991, an 8:23 kick drum-free version titled Strings Of Life (Unreleased Mix), Strings Of Life (Remix), or Strings Of The Strings Of Life first appeared, and featured additional production by Carl Craig Derrick May. This mix was unreleased in the sense that it was new at the time and was never officially released on a single; only on compilations. Numerous compilations feature early fades and other space-saving edits of the original 1987 Piano Mix, the 1989 Exclusive Remix, and the 1991 Unreleased Mix.
