Re: Echospace BCN Dub -- horn samples?

[Andrew Green]

I do enjoy a good BC vs DC discussion and as avid collector of both i feel 
obliged to chime in - but yeah its funny how the latter do get some stick for 
'following' the BC template.

the way i see it is that DC certainly picked up the tub techno baton but have 
been doing their own way long enough now to have created their own identity and 
sound.  Certainly in recent years Rod Modell has developed this style of a 
murky throb out his layers of samples and percussion.  On concentrated 
listening its very cerebral and psychadelic, more so that the more open sound 
of BC.  I ilke the way he conjures up different moods with his palettes too….. 
from the icy coldness of ‘Coldest Seasons’ to the hot claustrophobia on Hash 
Bar Loops.   Auratones from last year sits somewhere in the middle; more 
relaxed, shimmering and light. I also feel there is ‘soul’ to be found 
amongst the catalogue a few examples that i feel…….

https://youtu.be/escXT1hfhvA?list=PLJfo04_AmCPpFarGsbcGOgvCoI6B27njM 


https://youtu.be/QDqrBAXjjTM?list=PLwMrcJeZo1-RJz4CCDpJ1gQ1Bkoc-VKHn 


https://youtu.be/Mf5SMMesI14 

oh btw - no idea on the trumpet sample 

cheers,
A



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On 22 Jan 2019, at 19:55, Martin  wrote:

I’m messing about mostly Kent while a file renders. I wouldn’t really call 
Deepchord or BC dub in the Classic sense of dub reggae or the art of making a 
dub, I prefer king Tubby and scratch Perry but I can see how it got there and 
adopted the name. 

M

Sent from my iPad

On 22 Jan 2019, at 19:41, kent williams mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> Well ... I think the world is big enough for deepchord/echospace/etc to exist 
> alongside Basic Channel.
> 
> They're by no means the only people inspired by the intersection of dub & 
> techno first put forward by Basic Channel, or the most derivative.
> 
> What has always gotten me about their work -- and they've put out an insane 
> amount of music -- is that they take a lot of care in sculpting their sound.
> 
> Your mileage may vary, of course.  Their performance at DEMF in 2002 was a 
> peak live experience for me...
> 
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 1:07 PM Joe Marougi  > wrote:
> Wonders if those labels/artists know what biting basic channel too hard means 
> :D
> 
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:48 AM Martin  > wrote:
> (Wonders if they know what dub means)
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 22 Jan 2019, at 18:42, kent williams  > wrote:
> 
>> Anyone know this track well enough to recognize the distorted horn sample?  
>> I am leaning towards it being something from the Burning Spear "Marcus 
>> Garvey" album...
>> 
>> If you ever wanted an example of creating sampling -- this is it.  It's as 
>> distorted and messed up as a sample can be and still be recognized.
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/i8DKusXE1S0 

Re: Echospace BCN Dub -- horn samples?

[Juho Hietala]

all them rock bands sound like bon jovi to me

> On 22 Jan 2019, at 20:49, Joe Marougi  wrote:
> 
> Yeah fair enough.  
> 
> Of course I can only speak for myself in that I just don’t see enough of 
> “difference”, plus why I’ve heard from them isn’t as soulful which (again, 
> for me) makes it that much less appealing. 
> 
> To me it just sounds like someone saying “Look, I can do it too”
> 
> Just my .02
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 11:42 AM kent williams  > wrote:
> Well ... I think the world is big enough for deepchord/echospace/etc to exist 
> alongside Basic Channel.
> 
> They're by no means the only people inspired by the intersection of dub & 
> techno first put forward by Basic Channel, or the most derivative.
> 
> What has always gotten me about their work -- and they've put out an insane 
> amount of music -- is that they take a lot of care in sculpting their sound.
> 
> Your mileage may vary, of course.  Their performance at DEMF in 2002 was a 
> peak live experience for me...
> 
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 1:07 PM Joe Marougi  > wrote:
> Wonders if those labels/artists know what biting basic channel too hard means 
> :D
> 
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:48 AM Martin  > wrote:
> (Wonders if they know what dub means)
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 22 Jan 2019, at 18:42, kent williams  > wrote:
> 
>> Anyone know this track well enough to recognize the distorted horn sample?  
>> I am leaning towards it being something from the Burning Spear "Marcus 
>> Garvey" album...
>> 
>> If you ever wanted an example of creating sampling -- this is it.  It's as 
>> distorted and messed up as a sample can be and still be recognized.
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/i8DKusXE1S0 

Re: Echospace BCN Dub -- horn samples?

[Martin]

I’m messing about mostly Kent while a file renders. I wouldn’t really call 
Deepchord or BC dub in the Classic sense of dub reggae or the art of making a 
dub, I prefer king Tubby and scratch Perry but I can see how it got there and 
adopted the name. 

M

Sent from my iPad

> On 22 Jan 2019, at 19:41, kent williams  wrote:
> 
> Well ... I think the world is big enough for deepchord/echospace/etc to exist 
> alongside Basic Channel.
> 
> They're by no means the only people inspired by the intersection of dub & 
> techno first put forward by Basic Channel, or the most derivative.
> 
> What has always gotten me about their work -- and they've put out an insane 
> amount of music -- is that they take a lot of care in sculpting their sound.
> 
> Your mileage may vary, of course.  Their performance at DEMF in 2002 was a 
> peak live experience for me...
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 1:07 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>> Wonders if those labels/artists know what biting basic channel too hard 
>> means :D
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:48 AM Martin  wrote:
>>> (Wonders if they know what dub means)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On 22 Jan 2019, at 18:42, kent williams  wrote:
 
 Anyone know this track well enough to recognize the distorted horn sample? 
  I am leaning towards it being something from the Burning Spear "Marcus 
 Garvey" album...
 
 If you ever wanted an example of creating sampling -- this is it.  It's as 
 distorted and messed up as a sample can be and still be recognized.
 
 https://youtu.be/i8DKusXE1S0

Re: Echospace BCN Dub -- horn samples?

[Joe Marougi]

Yeah fair enough.

Of course I can only speak for myself in that I just don’t see enough of
“difference”, plus why I’ve heard from them isn’t as soulful which (again,
for me) makes it that much less appealing.

To me it just sounds like someone saying “Look, I can do it too”

Just my .02


On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 11:42 AM kent williams 
wrote:

> Well ... I think the world is big enough for deepchord/echospace/etc to
> exist alongside Basic Channel.
>
> They're by no means the only people inspired by the intersection of dub &
> techno first put forward by Basic Channel, or the most derivative.
>
> What has always gotten me about their work -- and they've put out an
> insane amount of music -- is that they take a lot of care in sculpting
> their sound.
>
> Your mileage may vary, of course.  Their performance at DEMF in 2002 was a
> peak live experience for me...
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 1:07 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Wonders if those labels/artists know what biting basic channel too hard
>> means :D
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:48 AM Martin  wrote:
>>
>>> (Wonders if they know what dub means)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 22 Jan 2019, at 18:42, kent williams  wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone know this track well enough to recognize the distorted horn
>>> sample?  I am leaning towards it being something from the Burning Spear
>>> "Marcus Garvey" album...
>>>
>>> If you ever wanted an example of creating sampling -- this is it.  It's
>>> as distorted and messed up as a sample can be and still be recognized.
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/i8DKusXE1S0
>>>
>>>

Re: Echospace BCN Dub -- horn samples?

[kent williams]

Well ... I think the world is big enough for deepchord/echospace/etc to
exist alongside Basic Channel.

They're by no means the only people inspired by the intersection of dub &
techno first put forward by Basic Channel, or the most derivative.

What has always gotten me about their work -- and they've put out an insane
amount of music -- is that they take a lot of care in sculpting their sound.

Your mileage may vary, of course.  Their performance at DEMF in 2002 was a
peak live experience for me...

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 1:07 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:

> Wonders if those labels/artists know what biting basic channel too hard
> means :D
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:48 AM Martin  wrote:
>
>> (Wonders if they know what dub means)
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 22 Jan 2019, at 18:42, kent williams  wrote:
>>
>> Anyone know this track well enough to recognize the distorted horn
>> sample?  I am leaning towards it being something from the Burning Spear
>> "Marcus Garvey" album...
>>
>> If you ever wanted an example of creating sampling -- this is it.  It's
>> as distorted and messed up as a sample can be and still be recognized.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/i8DKusXE1S0
>>
>>

Re: Echospace BCN Dub -- horn samples?

[Martin]

Paradox alert, call the cops, can I get some signal?

Sent from my iPad

> On 22 Jan 2019, at 19:07, Joe Marougi  wrote:
> 
> Wonders if those labels/artists know what biting basic channel too hard means 
> :D
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:48 AM Martin  wrote:
>> (Wonders if they know what dub means)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 22 Jan 2019, at 18:42, kent williams  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyone know this track well enough to recognize the distorted horn sample?  
>>> I am leaning towards it being something from the Burning Spear "Marcus 
>>> Garvey" album...
>>> 
>>> If you ever wanted an example of creating sampling -- this is it.  It's as 
>>> distorted and messed up as a sample can be and still be recognized.
>>> 
>>> https://youtu.be/i8DKusXE1S0

Re: Echospace BCN Dub -- horn samples?

[Martin]

Not you silly 

Sent from my iPad

> On 22 Jan 2019, at 18:52, kent williams  wrote:
> 
> This raises more questions than answers.  I do know what dub means, unless 
> there's some metaphysical knowledge of dub that I'm not in possession of.  It 
> is the case that Rod Modell & Steve Hitchell know what dub means; again, 
> unless there's some metaphysical knowledge of dub that you're referring to 
> that they don't know...
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 12:48 PM Martin  wrote:
>> (Wonders if they know what dub means)
>> 

Re: Echospace BCN Dub -- horn samples?

[Joe Marougi]

Wonders if those labels/artists know what biting basic channel too hard
means :D

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:48 AM Martin  wrote:

> (Wonders if they know what dub means)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 22 Jan 2019, at 18:42, kent williams  wrote:
>
> Anyone know this track well enough to recognize the distorted horn
> sample?  I am leaning towards it being something from the Burning Spear
> "Marcus Garvey" album...
>
> If you ever wanted an example of creating sampling -- this is it.  It's as
> distorted and messed up as a sample can be and still be recognized.
>
> https://youtu.be/i8DKusXE1S0
>
>

Re: Echospace BCN Dub -- horn samples?

[Martin]

(Wonders if they know what dub means)

Sent from my iPad

> On 22 Jan 2019, at 18:42, kent williams  wrote:
> 
> Anyone know this track well enough to recognize the distorted horn sample?  I 
> am leaning towards it being something from the Burning Spear "Marcus Garvey" 
> album...
> 
> If you ever wanted an example of creating sampling -- this is it.  It's as 
> distorted and messed up as a sample can be and still be recognized.
> 
> https://youtu.be/i8DKusXE1S0

Echospace BCN Dub -- horn samples?

[kent williams]

Anyone know this track well enough to recognize the distorted horn sample?
I am leaning towards it being something from the Burning Spear "Marcus
Garvey" album...

If you ever wanted an example of creating sampling -- this is it.  It's as
distorted and messed up as a sample can be and still be recognized.

https://youtu.be/i8DKusXE1S0

Re: Connection Machine 'Painless' on vinyl

[David A. Powers]

Jurren - Was that the Cabaret party?

~David

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 7:37 AM baars  wrote:

> Just saw that DownLow are (re)issueing Painless on vinyl (
> https://www.delsinrecords.com/release/3949/the-connection-machine/painless
> ).
>
> Tied to 313 because I once shared a taxi with Minto and JT in Detroit
> during DEMF2001 going home from the UR party, when i had just found a copy
> of CM's Bitflower on Planet E earlier that week.
>
> jurren (still lurking on this list)
>

Connection Machine 'Painless' on vinyl

[baars]

Just saw that DownLow are (re)issueing Painless on vinyl 
(https://www.delsinrecords.com/release/3949/the-connection-machine/painless).

Tied to 313 because I once shared a taxi with Minto and JT in Detroit during 
DEMF2001 going home from the UR party, when i had just found a copy of CM's 
Bitflower on Planet E earlier that week.

jurren (still lurking on this list)