Re: the noise level on this list

[Kevin Kennedy]

Fred, I am both problem and solution.

I've gotten to a point where I won't even post my own work up here,or share
the works of my contemporaries... mainly because I'm always afraid it won't
be 'Detroit' enough.

To have a judgement free forum, silence is necessary.

I'm not quite ready to shut up.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 5:40 PM Fred Heutte  wrote:

> The noise level and disrespect on this list are unbearable.  Check
> yourselves and consider: are you part of the problem or are you
> part of the solution?
>
> peace
>
> fh
>
> ---
>
> It was always about the music:
> Is it hot or is it not?
> -- Electrifying Mojo
>
>

Re: How many folks on the list in the Detroit area?

[U Design]

I'm in Detroit still.
Detroit 1995-1998 then 2003-2004 and then again from 2007 to now.

Been a behind the scenes soldier in event management, artist bookings,
music publishing/ royalty collections and videography since 2003.

Love my city, it keeps drawing me back everytime life leads me away.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 16:20 kent williams  wrote:

> There's no geographic limitation to being a techno fan but I'm curious:
> Who is left on the list who lives in Detroit, Ann Arbor, Ypsi, & the
> Detroit burbs?
>

the noise level on this list

[Fred Heutte]

The noise level and disrespect on this list are unbearable.  Check
yourselves and consider: are you part of the problem or are you
part of the solution?

peace

fh

---

It was always about the music:
Is it hot or is it not?
-- Electrifying Mojo

Re: How many folks on the list in the Detroit area?

[Ali Berger]

I lived in Detroit from September 2015 to June 2019 when I moved to
Pittsburgh where I am now. Slightly beside your question but since that's
fairly recent and I was very active as a DJ/producer/partygoer while I was
there I figured this would be a good time to say hi. I've been a subscriber
for the last few years, interested to see who else is or has recently been
in the area.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 4:20 PM kent williams  wrote:

> There's no geographic limitation to being a techno fan but I'm curious:
> Who is left on the list who lives in Detroit, Ann Arbor, Ypsi, & the
> Detroit burbs?
>

How many folks on the list in the Detroit area?

[kent williams]

There's no geographic limitation to being a techno fan but I'm curious: Who
is left on the list who lives in Detroit, Ann Arbor, Ypsi, & the Detroit
burbs?

Re: Centering black voices in Techno

[Reuben Wheeler]

Yo I am into this thread,

I was excited to find out about this forthcoming text from DeForrest Brown,
Jr. just today:
https://primaryinformation.org/product/assembling-a-black-counter-culture/
If you feel like reading something now here is a deep cut on the impact of
COVID-19 on the music industry and more. A warning to anti-academic list
members, this is that:
https://blog.usejournal.com/manufacturing-normalcy-7633259f63b5

Does anyone on the list have any idea why the republication of Kodwo
Eshun's 'More Brilliant Than the Sun' seems to have been pushed back
indefinitely?

Yeah that Ash Lauryn article deserves all the props. I really need to read
more of her writing.

Peace,
Reuben

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 16:49, David A. Powers  wrote:

> Okay, I was going to keep my mouth shout, but if the list is going to
> tackle this topic, then I really think it's time to get real and move past
> BS symbolic politics to look at the real systemic reasons why racist
> outcomes persist in the United States.
>
> In the United States, we have just undergone 40 of neoliberal austerity
> which has been imposed on the poor and working class. Unions have been
> destroyed, while safety nets that provided access to housing, healthcare,
> and education for the poor have been dismantled in a systemic fashion. This
> has been a period in which extremely wealthy elites have amassed insane
> amounts of wealth, while working folks have consistently been impoverished.
> Deindustrialization has eliminated most of the good paying jobs from the
> Rust Belt. And in Detroit, musicians have suffered the dual blow of Motown
> leaving, and the music industry itself collapsing, making it very difficult
> for skilled working musicians to find enough work to live on.
>
> Of course, because of the racist colonial history of the United States,
> and espeically the legacy of racist chattel slavery, historically exploited
> minority communities have been disproportionately impacted and impoverished
> by neoliberal austerity. Furthermore, many elite capitalists have continued
> the tradition of weaponizing and encouraging white racism and prejudice
> against minorities, for the purpose of dividing the working class along
> race lines. This is mostly done not for ideological reasons, but for the
> simple reason that it keeps wages low and profits up. Transferring jobs to
> countries where it is easier to exploit workers, and then stoking fears
> about immigrants, servers a similar purpose. Expanding (racist)
> incarceration and exploiting prison labor also plays a role in this.
>
> My point is this: creating complex musical works, and writing
> sophisticated books, are cultural activities that very few poor and working
> class people can afford to engage in. The nurses taking care of me at
> Detroit Receiving Hospital after I got a head injury from a car accident,
> or the people serving me coffee at a gas station or diner, do not have the
> privilege and luxury of writing books on techno. And on top of that, a lot
> of black folks simply aren't very interested in techno; they prefer other
> kinds of music. The biggest audience for this music is in Europe, and the
> audience is mostly white.
>
> So if you want a world where there are more black musicians, artists, and
> writers can do their thing, you have to recognize that this can only happen
> on the basis of providing for people's basic material needs, and
> recognizing their basic human rights: the right to not be murdered or
> unjustly harassed and imprisoned by the police, as well as the right to
> housing, food, education, healthcare, and a decent paying job. While it's
> certainly important to be aware of implicit racism and obstacles that black
> DJ's or writers might face compared to white peers, and to fight against
> all expressions of racism, it's INSANE to be primarily fixated only on
> cultural questions such as the number of black DJ's, when black folks are
> being killed by COVID-19 at a far higher rate than whites, and when 40% of
> people in the US making under $40,000 a year have lost their jobs.
>
> You can't demand cultural change without ALSO demanding that we change the
> material basis that culture rests on! It's completely hypocritical. People
> need housing and food before they can write books. Even Jesus fed people
> before he preached to them. And don't forget--the Black Panthers, MLK Jr,
> and Malcom X before his death were all talking about the connection between
> racism and capitalism. For having the audacity to combine antiracist
> struggle with the struggle for basic human rights and economic justice, *they
> were murdered*.
>
> Of course, I'm just a random white dude who has been homeless and had to
> drop out of college to work because I couldn't afford it; however, you
> don't have to take my word for it: *go read the work of great black
> intellectuals, such as Cornel West, Adolph Reed Jr, and Angela Davis*.
>
> Peace out,
> ~David Powers
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 

Re: Centering black voices in Techno

[David A. Powers]

Okay, I was going to keep my mouth shout, but if the list is going to
tackle this topic, then I really think it's time to get real and move past
BS symbolic politics to look at the real systemic reasons why racist
outcomes persist in the United States.

In the United States, we have just undergone 40 of neoliberal austerity
which has been imposed on the poor and working class. Unions have been
destroyed, while safety nets that provided access to housing, healthcare,
and education for the poor have been dismantled in a systemic fashion. This
has been a period in which extremely wealthy elites have amassed insane
amounts of wealth, while working folks have consistently been impoverished.
Deindustrialization has eliminated most of the good paying jobs from the
Rust Belt. And in Detroit, musicians have suffered the dual blow of Motown
leaving, and the music industry itself collapsing, making it very difficult
for skilled working musicians to find enough work to live on.

Of course, because of the racist colonial history of the United States, and
espeically the legacy of racist chattel slavery, historically exploited
minority communities have been disproportionately impacted and impoverished
by neoliberal austerity. Furthermore, many elite capitalists have continued
the tradition of weaponizing and encouraging white racism and prejudice
against minorities, for the purpose of dividing the working class along
race lines. This is mostly done not for ideological reasons, but for the
simple reason that it keeps wages low and profits up. Transferring jobs to
countries where it is easier to exploit workers, and then stoking fears
about immigrants, servers a similar purpose. Expanding (racist)
incarceration and exploiting prison labor also plays a role in this.

My point is this: creating complex musical works, and writing sophisticated
books, are cultural activities that very few poor and working class people
can afford to engage in. The nurses taking care of me at Detroit Receiving
Hospital after I got a head injury from a car accident, or the people
serving me coffee at a gas station or diner, do not have the privilege and
luxury of writing books on techno. And on top of that, a lot of black folks
simply aren't very interested in techno; they prefer other kinds of music.
The biggest audience for this music is in Europe, and the audience is
mostly white.

So if you want a world where there are more black musicians, artists, and
writers can do their thing, you have to recognize that this can only happen
on the basis of providing for people's basic material needs, and
recognizing their basic human rights: the right to not be murdered or
unjustly harassed and imprisoned by the police, as well as the right to
housing, food, education, healthcare, and a decent paying job. While it's
certainly important to be aware of implicit racism and obstacles that black
DJ's or writers might face compared to white peers, and to fight against
all expressions of racism, it's INSANE to be primarily fixated only on
cultural questions such as the number of black DJ's, when black folks are
being killed by COVID-19 at a far higher rate than whites, and when 40% of
people in the US making under $40,000 a year have lost their jobs.

You can't demand cultural change without ALSO demanding that we change the
material basis that culture rests on! It's completely hypocritical. People
need housing and food before they can write books. Even Jesus fed people
before he preached to them. And don't forget--the Black Panthers, MLK Jr,
and Malcom X before his death were all talking about the connection between
racism and capitalism. For having the audacity to combine antiracist
struggle with the struggle for basic human rights and economic justice, *they
were murdered*.

Of course, I'm just a random white dude who has been homeless and had to
drop out of college to work because I couldn't afford it; however, you
don't have to take my word for it: *go read the work of great black
intellectuals, such as Cornel West, Adolph Reed Jr, and Angela Davis*.

Peace out,
~David Powers



On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 9:27 AM kent williams 
wrote:

> In that vein, here is an essay written by Ashleigh Lauryn, a Detroit DJ.
> It has to do with the controversy about N*na Kr*viz posting pictures of
> herself with cornrows, and Kr*viz tone-deaf reaction to criticism.
>
> But more than that it is a beautifully written essay.
> https://undergroundandblack.com/2019/10/29/keeping-it-real/
>

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[Joe Marougi]

That’s the worst part about you.  Your commitment to not admitting
when/that you (God forbid) could have been wrong or handled something the
wrong way:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-squeaky-wheel/201811/why-certain-people-will-never-admit-they-were-wrong%3Famp


On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 11:24 PM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> I blocked Kent a long time ago, so I had to go to my spam folder to read
> this. Took me a minute. I have no response to Kent directly.
>
> This all started because Andrew Duke sent a list to our listserv and I
> asked a pretty neutral question and then somebody tried to white wash it.
> That's it. Relax.
>
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> On the one hand, Denise has valid points.
>>
>> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for
>> the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black
>> artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion.
>>
>> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make
>> without making other people want to leave the 313 list.
>>
>> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned
>> anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of
>> its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that
>> make people feel uncomfortable.  And not the 'questioning my privilege'
>> uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification'
>> uncomfortable.
>>
>> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time
>> with complaints about other list members.  Those are private, but regular
>> list members only see what's on the list.
>>
>> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing
>> with black music, and no one should.
>>
>> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about
>> you, not about the music or the people.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Allgxxd
>>>
>>> I hear you essay
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote:
>>> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list.
>>> >
>>> > -- Forwarded message -
>>> > From: DANIEL BEAN 
>>> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
>>> > To: Denise Dalphond 
>>> >
>>> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore
>>> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is
>>> > ludicrous, especially at the moment.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did
>>> >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of
>>> >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that.
>>> >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her
>>> >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it
>>> >> professionally. So, s.
>>> >>
>>> >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is
>>> >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself.
>>> >>
>>> >> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it?
>>> >>
>>> >> Denise Dalphond
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on?
>>> >> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common
>>> >> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division
>>> >> between people by this racebaiting.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or
>>> >> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the
>>> >> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of
>>> >> life.
>>> >>
>>> >> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the
>>> >> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and
>>> >> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward
>>> >> in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological
>>> >> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins
>>> >> of Techno in the Motorcity.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do
>>> >> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult
>>> >> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/
>>> >>
>>> >> Denise
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Dweller Electronics
>>> >>
>>> >> writings from a black perspective
>>> >>
>>> >> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles,
>>> >> interviews and documentaries 

Centering black voices in Techno

[kent williams]

In that vein, here is an essay written by Ashleigh Lauryn, a Detroit DJ.
It has to do with the controversy about N*na Kr*viz posting pictures of
herself with cornrows, and Kr*viz tone-deaf reaction to criticism.

But more than that it is a beautifully written essay.
https://undergroundandblack.com/2019/10/29/keeping-it-real/

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[kent williams]

Jesus wept.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 1:24 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> I blocked Kent a long time ago, so I had to go to my spam folder to read
> this. Took me a minute. I have no response to Kent directly.
>
>
>>>
>>>

Re: The Electrifying Mojo

[Daniel Bean]

MOJO appears to have his own YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbt9M9cDNRcwHGzpEBtb6aQ/videos

Quite a range of stuff on there but in amongst it all some excerpts from
old shows.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 12:44 AM Reuben Wheeler  wrote:

> Yo 313,
>
> Some archival radio recordings from The Electrifying Mojo and The Wizard
> are available on the below mixcloud channel. When I heard about Mojo some 5
> or so years ago there were really minimal recordings online, despite the
> measure of his influence. I was pretty thrilled to discover more recordings
> were made available.
> https://www.mixcloud.com/tony-romanov/
>
> There must be more recordings about? Anyone care to direct me to them? I
> would also be interested to hear any of the lists reflections on or
> memories of Mojo. I doubt I can still get my MFA ID card but would love to
> have one.
>
> Porch light is ON,
> Reuben
>
>
>

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[Denise Dalphond]

I blocked Kent a long time ago, so I had to go to my spam folder to read
this. Took me a minute. I have no response to Kent directly.

This all started because Andrew Duke sent a list to our listserv and I
asked a pretty neutral question and then somebody tried to white wash it.
That's it. Relax.



*Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
*ethnomusicologist*
*schoolcraftwax.work *


On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams 
wrote:

> On the one hand, Denise has valid points.
>
> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for
> the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black
> artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion.
>
> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make without
> making other people want to leave the 313 list.
>
> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned
> anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of
> its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that
> make people feel uncomfortable.  And not the 'questioning my privilege'
> uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification'
> uncomfortable.
>
> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time with
> complaints about other list members.  Those are private, but regular list
> members only see what's on the list.
>
> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing
> with black music, and no one should.
>
> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about
> you, not about the music or the people.
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>
>> Allgxxd
>>
>> I hear you essay
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote:
>> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list.
>> >
>> > -- Forwarded message -
>> > From: DANIEL BEAN 
>> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
>> > To: Denise Dalphond 
>> >
>> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore
>> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is
>> > ludicrous, especially at the moment.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did
>> >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of
>> >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that.
>> >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her
>> >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it
>> >> professionally. So, s.
>> >>
>> >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is
>> >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself.
>> >>
>> >> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it?
>> >>
>> >> Denise Dalphond
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on?
>> >> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common
>> >> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division
>> >> between people by this racebaiting.
>> >>
>> >> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or
>> >> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the
>> >> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of
>> >> life.
>> >>
>> >> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the
>> >> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and
>> >> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward
>> >> in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological
>> >> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins
>> >> of Techno in the Motorcity.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do
>> >> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult
>> >> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/
>> >>
>> >> Denise
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dweller Electronics
>> >>
>> >> writings from a black perspective
>> >>
>> >> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles,
>> >> interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We have
>> >> compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find more
>> >> relevant work.
>> >>
>> >> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and
>> >> “Audio/Visual”.
>> >>
>> >> https://dwellerforever.blog/library
>> >  --
>> > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> > ethnomusicologist
>> > schoolcraftwax.work [1]
>> >
>> > Links:
>> > --
>> > [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>>