Re: (313) hip hop sampling detroit (was: Brandy/producers of pop that go the extra mile)
the original from J-lo/Beatnuts is: Light, Enoch Orchestra Disco Disque Project 3: (? 1975) * Hi-Jack Jennifer Lopez's Jenny From The Block these may (?) be cases where the sample actually comes from the 2nd generation track and not the original, and therefore it's not listed even if it's cleared and some royalties are passed down the line... on 12/27/02 12:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, The Armchair DJ wrote: and don't forget that in the early days of producing, dre sampled almost the entirety of jj fad's blame it on the musik (off 1988's supersonic lp) from model 500's nite drive thru babylon. brian ***speaking of which, the last time i saw sir mix a lot's baby got back on a new compilation, i checked the credit and there is *still* no mention of the fact that it steals the beat from technicolor. i know atkins knows about this, so why don't these sorts of things get rectified in the credits in the future? not detroit related, but the usage of bob james' take me to the mardi gras (via run dmc's peter Piper) isn't credited on missy's work it. the beatnuts have been mentioning that jennifer lopez' jenny from the block samples them (what it is? i can't remember the exact title), but, though there's 3 sample credits on the single (including using bdp's south bronx), there's no mention of the beatnuts. i think one of the other credits is probably for the song that beat nuts also sampled that they're crying foul about. which would be a lack of originality, but hardly stealing from the 'nuts, and par for the course with the way all of the jlo tracks are produced (using set it off, using i've got five on it, etc, etc). i hope the 'nuts credited the sample they used that jlo also did, otherwise they're just calling attention to themselves and likely to get themselves in trouble. andrew -Original Message- From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 8:21 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Brendan Nelson Subject: RE: (313) re: Brandy/producers of pop that go the extra mile To be honest I don't have a hell of a lot of respect for Dr Dre. me neither. Except for surgery in 1984 when he was with the World Class Wreckin' Crew He'll prescribe for you, his potent elixir Two turntables, speakers, and a mixer He'll rock your party wherever you be Calling Dr. Dre to surgery LA is the place for you to be To witness Dr Dre in surgery He has a Ph.D in mixology to cut on the wheels so viciously. This cut which was an old WJLB Wizard favorite! ... bringing it back to 313, however tenuously in whatever decade. peace, Matt MacQueen albums out now: Sprung (http://bip-hop.com) More Destructive Than Organized (http://staalplaat.com) Highest Common Denominator (http://pieheadrecords.com) Physical and Mental Health (http://dialrecords.com) 74'02 (split with Hypo) (http://tsunami-addiction.com) check Cognition (http://techno.ca/cognition) for upcoming appearance and release updates __ Get your FREE personalized e-mail at http://www.canada.com
Re: (313) carl craig?
1st of all: wow 2ndly, that makes me even madder that i spent so much time doing that forkin red bull application getting a passport photo putting together a mix didnt make the cut. it's a C-O-N-spiracy on 12/8/02 6:11 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently he previewed this at the Red Bull Music Academy in Brazil just these last few weeks. My friend was there and took notes. When she's over jetlag I will know more. Mind, `I am so jealous. I have to commend the Red Bull people, they really do a quality event by the sounds of it. They could so easily have the likes of Tiesto. Anyway if you look at the Red Bull site you can read all about the Carl Craig session. Inbox Message From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (313) carl craig? Date: 09/12/2002 7:20:59 To: 313@hyperreal.org now... what´s this? DETROIT EXPERIMENT, The/CARL CRAIG: The Way We Make Music (Ropeadope US) 12: The Detroit Experiment-The Way We Make Music (featuring Invincible Karriem Riggins) (full version, instrumental)/Carl Craig-Church, Space Odyssey, Midnight At The Twenty Grand, Space Break (RPD 97989) just new in the stores Cheers, Maarten
Re: (313) carl craig?
yeah--I was just venting really. I do think the fact that I'm working as a DJ in new york (as opposed to Canberra, etc) held me back (?) if only because there'd be too many qualified applicants from 1 place...there was only 1 person from NY selected as far as I know; my friend Karla she's certainly qualified. I was pretty philosophical about the whole thing until this Detroit Experiment came up. now i'm bitter =) back on topic--- so is this strictly press release or has anybody actually heard it? on 12/8/02 6:57 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know, the people here who attended were worthy, I can't speak for anywhere else. 3 here had records out and had done events or nights, all were deep house too. Maybe they were swayed towards a genre this year. There was a drum 'n' bass guy from Canberra and if you're from Canberra you need all the help you can get. It's a cultural vacuum! ;) Inbox Message From: Edwin Houghton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) carl craig? Date: 09/12/2002 10:59:50 To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1st of all: wow 2ndly, that makes me even madder that i spent so much time doing that forkin red bull application getting a passport photo putting together a mix didnt make the cut. it's a C-O-N-spiracy on 12/8/02 6:11 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently he previewed this at the Red Bull Music Academy in Brazil just these last few weeks. My friend was there and took notes. When she's over jetlag I will know more. Mind, `I am so jealous. I have to commend the Red Bull people, they really do a quality event by the sounds of it. They could so easily have the likes of Tiesto. Anyway if you look at the Red Bull site you can read all about the Carl Craig session. Inbox Message From: Edwin Houghton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) carl craig? Date: 09/12/2002 10:59:50 To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1st of all: wow 2ndly, that makes me even madder that i spent so much time doing that forkin red bull application getting a passport photo putting together a mix didnt make the cut. it's a C-O-N-spiracy on 12/8/02 6:11 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently he previewed this at the Red Bull Music Academy in Brazil just these last few weeks. My friend was there and took notes. When she's over jetlag I will know more. Mind, `I am so jealous. I have to commend the Red Bull people, they really do a quality event by the sounds of it. They could so easily have the likes of Tiesto. Anyway if you look at the Red Bull site you can read all about the Carl Craig session.
Re: (313) carl craig?
I looked on Gilles Peterson's page on radio 1 all I could find was a realaudio file of Carl talking about the Detroit Experiment...if someone could post a link to the audio file I for one would appreciate it on 12/8/02 6:09 PM, xx xx at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can listen the 12 on Gilles Peterson mix on Radio 1 dated December 4th, should be the second or third track of the show.
Re: (313) Carl Craig
well I wasn't on this list a few wks back, but anyway thanks! on 12/9/02 2:38 PM, Andy Mitchell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: back on topic--- so is this strictly press release or has anybody actually heard it? Actually, I posted this up in here a few weeks back, but y'all obviously slept on it ;) I like the two jazz tracks on Side B best... Andy Look for the full-length debut of the Detroit Experiment in February 2003 and watch for the national tour coming to a city near you. The track listing for the single is as followed: Side A: 1. The Way We Make Music - Full Version [http://www.rensoul.com/audio/detroitexperiment_theway.ram] 2. The Way We Make Music - Instrumental 3. Church [http://www.rensoul.com/audio/detroitexperiment_church.ram] Side B: 1. Space Odyssey [http://www.rensoul.com/audio/detroitexperiment_spaceodyssey.ram] 2. Midnight at the Twenty Grand [http://www.rensoul.com/audio/detroitexperiment_midnight.ram] 3. Space Break
(313) Detroit Experiment
here in NY at least there was a bootleg house remix of Too High circulating that was pretty popular--it was pretty minimal as I recall, just the bassline/groove looped up into a house beat. it was a white label w/ no artist info other than 'stevie wonder too high rmx' does that fit the description? maybe someone else can fill in more behind the scenes info... // eddie on 12/9/02 1:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just landed a promo CD of this - mmm mmm mmm! Nice stuff. I just realized a sample of the bassline for Stevie Wonder's Too High was used for a well known house tune but I can't think of what tune it was - help! was this already being discussed? MEK
Re: (313) [313] KDJ label art.
just to add another 2c to the trivia, 'sugar shack' was featured in the opening sequences of the 70s sitcom good times which is probably what most people associate it with, why it's been re-used or ripped off for so many videos/lp covers // eddie on 12/5/02 5:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we're talking about the same pictures then they're by an artist called Ernie Barnes who did quite a lot of album cover work, particularly during the seventies. For instance, the image that appears on the label of KDJ 6 - I Can't Kick This Feeling When It Hits/Music People (what an extraordinarily good 12 BTW) is taken from the cover of Marvin Gaye's 'I Want You' LP. The full picture is titled 'Sugar Shack' and is strangely reminiscent of the opening scenes in the video for Michael Jackson's 'Smooth Criminal', but maybe I should stop right there before I damage my limited cred any further Ernie Barnes' work can also be seen on the cover of Curtis Mayfield's 'Something To Believe In' as well as albums by Donald Byrd and The Crusaders. The Camp-Lo cover looks like a pastiche of 'Sugar Shack', particularly since Barnes' work is probably rather expensive. Is that album any good BTW? Dan hey guys... gals. where do the illustrations on early KDJ EP's come from? i'm speaking of releases like KDJ-4. the artwork reminds me of a camp-lo album cover from uptown saturday night. just curious. peace, lrh
Re: (313) old house accapella albums
actually the phrase ...everyday of my life is from 'Let No Man Put Asunder', or at least that phrase is repeated towards the end of the song and I'm sure I've heard it used as a sample, although I'm not familiar enough with the Metalheadz stuff to verify that it's the source for the DnB tracks in question... //eddie on 12/3/02 7:03 AM, Craig Harrison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyday of my life is from Janis Joplin. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Stephen Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2002 10:47 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) old house accapella albums previously.. thats let no man put asunder on salsoul by first choice, one of the best disco tracks ever. i dont think it has the everyday of my life sample, which was actually used on metalheadz (i think it was VIP rider's ghost). i've no idea where the 'every day of my life' sample comes from, but i'm pretty sure it was first used on the 'terminator 2 ep' on reinforced by rufige kru.. vip rider's ghost on metalheadz is quite a bit later.. and dont talk to me about celebrity big brother ;) [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) submerge goodies
I'm kind of assuming it is 'cause that Davina (Loud/Raekwon) was definitely from Detroit... yeah it is a shame on 12/2/02 12:43 AM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that the Davina who had a deal with Loud and recorded with Raekwon? Shame Loud never broke their RB acts. Inbox Message From: ryan burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) submerge goodies Date: 02/12/2002 16:54:07 To: 313@hyperreal.org i was looking at some of the new remixes ur027r vintage future - venomous ur031r dark energy - dark paradise what if dont understand is 027 and 031 are both scan 7 records. i know these are remixes listed followed with and R, but isnt UR in the 40's now??? ryan From: Marsel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) submerge goodies Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:56:40 +0100 these coming out next week? looking foward esp. to Red Planet 11 and the Dark Energy remixes!! rp11 the martian ur016r davina - don't you want it? ur027r vintage future - venomous ur031r dark energy - dark paradise lh2 los hermanos - quetzal ? _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) Eminem OT... Kinda
then maybe you haven't heard Common's The Bitch In Yoo ? aimed at Ice Cube. rick-dickulous (sorry to be off-topic) // eddie on 11/29/02 4:00 AM, FC2 Richards at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and don't forget those Everlast songs...I havn't heard them, but Em's dis of Everlast was the second best dis song I have ever heard. The best being LL's Mama Said Knock You Out Jeff
FW: (313) books on techno: more brilliant than the sun
oops I know I'm a little late but I sent this earlier it didn't go thru: my 2c: when I picked up SUN and read a random passage I thought it was going to be really pretentious and I also immediately thought of DJ Spooky's post-structuralist name dropping. the dif. is that where spooky references ideas by people like Deleuze Guatari like he's showing off his comic book collection (sorry paul) Eshun actually uses their strategies i.e. his whole approach is to make the book a kind of neo-logism machine that churns out sci-fi metaphors on it's own... 1nce you accept that his approach is a kind of random mutation way of generating ideas then you can accept the occasional wack attempts at word-play as necessary by-products of a process that also achieves some extremely important insights ( poetic language) ... more importantly strategies for creating new music art--which is the same way DG urge their writing to be taken: as a toolbox of strategies from which you can pick and choose the ones that work for you...or that you need for a particular job / eddie on 11/27/02 3:16 PM, Lester Kenyatta Spence at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Brendan Nelson wrote: I guess that if Eshun was on this list he'd defend himself by pointing out that electronic/futuristic music is so new, comparitively, that the conceptual framework for describing it - in terms of its construction as well as of its effect on the listener - is yet to be developed, and so he's pretty much obliged to write in such a bizarre scat-poetry style when talking about Drexciya, UR, Alice Coltrane and Parliament. A rock journalist writing yet another Beatles book has decades of cliches and reference points to rely on, but someone writing about Drexciya has no real precedent to rely upon. Eshun certainly did take it to the extreme, but I think you're right in that, amidst the prosaic flights of fancy, there are a number of very good and very big ideas which he manages to put across in that book. Brendan I have SUN and like it. But with that said, I'm pretty sure that if Eshun were here, he'd do something similar to what he did on the Afrofuturism email list I'm on. Send a one sentence statement like: Please remove me from the list. Then write a book called The 313 Reader. peace lks
