Re: Drexciya by numbers
I think the best way to learn how to write / produce is to start out copying the shit out of your heroes. Yes, that yields derivative results, but originality can come later. In the spirit of this... this is GREAT! <3 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 07:51:36 AM PDT, Alasdair Lyon wrote: I'm not too sure what to think about this. I guess this is a techno equivalent of publishing guitar tab in a magazine. Thankfully they haven't included an ableton template to go with it. https://www.attackmagazine.com/technique/deconstructed/drexciya-black-sea/
Re: (313) Electro vs Electro
I think the best response to a typical discussion such as this is to try to confuse the arguments as much as possible. 1. Kraftwerk claimed to be pop and cited how much they were Motown influenced. 2. Kraftwerk had 4-4 beats. 3. Is Prince pop or electro? Roger Zapp? Dr. Dre sampling Roger Zapp? ... what about Snoop here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSS_DY_z-Dc is that electro? Pop? RB? Rap? - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Three-One-Three 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 9:25:58 AM Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro LOL! Maybe I need to start carrying around a vocoder. MEK KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 11:14:23 AM: I've given up to get all worked up everytime i hear this term wrongfully used. If someone says to me that its gonna be an electro party, i always ask whether it's ÉlectrO (with a flat french teen rocker accent), or EE-LeK-TrOw (with a robot distorted voice). If he doesn't get it, i say goodbye. - K* - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org; Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: RE: (313) Electro vs Electro Nail meet Hammer - bang! Exactly Ken. Imo the word and meaning of Electro has been hijacked and the plane is in danger of being blown up. Electro has been slapped on as a prefix because it became the hot word - it sold magazines like Mixmag and URB, it sold fashion accessories at Hot Topic, and it sold records at HMV/Best Buy. Why? Because few people buying it were old enough to know it the first time. They'd heard the word but didn't hear the sound. MEK Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
Re: (313) Electro vs Electro
I think its reasonable to say that Daft Punk went in an electro direction after their first album. if ONLY because they then had some vocoders, arpeggiators and a few non 4/4 rhythms. does that make it 'electro'? or maybe they just invented electro-house? - Original Message From: Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Three-One-Three 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 1:43:52 PM Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro I think the best response to a typical discussion such as this is to try to confuse the arguments as much as possible. 1. Kraftwerk claimed to be pop and cited how much they were Motown influenced. 2. Kraftwerk had 4-4 beats. 3. Is Prince pop or electro? Roger Zapp? Dr. Dre sampling Roger Zapp? ... what about Snoop here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSS_DY_z-Dc is that electro? Pop? RB? Rap? - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Three-One-Three 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 9:25:58 AM Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro LOL! Maybe I need to start carrying around a vocoder. MEK KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 11:14:23 AM: I've given up to get all worked up everytime i hear this term wrongfully used. If someone says to me that its gonna be an electro party, i always ask whether it's ÉlectrO (with a flat french teen rocker accent), or EE-LeK-TrOw (with a robot distorted voice). If he doesn't get it, i say goodbye. - K* - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org; Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: RE: (313) Electro vs Electro Nail meet Hammer - bang! Exactly Ken. Imo the word and meaning of Electro has been hijacked and the plane is in danger of being blown up. Electro has been slapped on as a prefix because it became the hot word - it sold magazines like Mixmag and URB, it sold fashion accessories at Hot Topic, and it sold records at HMV/Best Buy. Why? Because few people buying it were old enough to know it the first time. They'd heard the word but didn't hear the sound. MEK Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: (313) UR in The Wire magazine this month
I totally BELIEVE that! :-) - Original Message From: Nik Stoltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Sokolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeffrey Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:12:35 AM Subject: RE: (313) UR in The Wire magazine this month I heard UR developed the technology for that cloaking device for their nite-strikes. And I heard that Mad Mike gets 1 hour sleep a night and can dis-assemble and re-assemble a 303 whilst blindfolded in only 2 minutes. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
try this one... http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz45276531c28.html sadly...this suburban boy got 10/15. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
Re: (313) On Topic and Topical: Baltimore Club DJ's tribute to Disco D
actually that is an Ann Arbor teen center that gets the donations. - Original Message From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:57:11 AM Subject: Re: (313) On Topic and Topical: Baltimore Club DJ's tribute to Disco D You're right, I posted too quick. Newsense is selling the mix CD on Ebay with proceeds going to a Baltimore teen center. If you're interested in bidding: http://tinyurl.com/3chf7k On 6/29/07, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i don't see no mix. the link is to a 3.1 MB mp3 of whores in the house, good one. typical bmore, it's kinda messy and spastic and super tracky. the claps are really nice. but again, expecting this stuff to be a mainstream hit instead of spank well... Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: (313) Justice
I'm sorry for all those weary of this thread at this point, I don't blame ya. but for anyone that has found something interesting here then check this out. over on the hollerboard the question is asked whether all the media hype has killed b-more club at this point... and DJ Technics chimes in... http://www.low-bee.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21236start=120 - Original Message From: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thomas D. Cox,Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:32:19 PM Subject: Re: (313) Justice but I guess I just don't get what *would* be a genuine way of calling attention to the music? (in contrast to this disingenuous manner). well put..i agree with most of what tom is saying at some level, but it's impossibly idealistic and entirely speculative. idealism is vital tho. but yeah. who knows exactly what would happen if somehow someway the crazy real club stuff got mainstream coverage, but i highly doubt it would take off like spank rock, there's no foundation for it too. the foundation ahs to be built sometime somewhere though if something like that is ever going to happen. i remember how excited i was to see articles in rolling stone and spin some years back about the belleville 3, thinking yes, the rest of the world is finally going to wake up to this brilliant music and real dance music will become a viable part of the music industry!bzzt! but then again, it depends on your pov. playlists from ibiza have gotten better, and i'm certainly happier to see kompakt inhabiting the same space moonshine and company used to. it could be better, maybe, but it could also be much worse. something is usually better than nothing, and that goes for spank's mis-credit as bmore club as well Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
(313) Ford commercial
I thought it was a dope ad. wasn't subscribed here at that time. sounds like it got bad reviews on this board... because here is our underground thing getting floated up to the mainstream? I find that very understandable actually. I guess I like the add more in retrospect because it stands as a fluke rather than a harbinger. its years later. we have the missy elliot remix of clear... but yet (thankfully) no britney redo of model 500. was the concern for naught? - Original Message From: Generator Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 11:55:10 AM Subject: Re: (313) Justice Nevermind rolling stones or spinwhat about that Ford commercial??? I personally thought it was the Jackie Robinson moment for Detroit Techno, the break this music was waiting for. I thought it was the greatest thing ever to happen to this music and it was a sign of things to come for this music ACROSS the board. But nooo, mugs' egos and the lack of foresight by everyone, including the audience ruined it. And none of it was Ford's fault either. So basically we all saw what happened if this music TRIED to leave the underground. It still kills me to this day of that missed opportunity. Marina J.T. wrote: but I guess I just don't get what *would* be a genuine way of calling attention to the music? (in contrast to this disingenuous manner). well put..i agree with most of what tom is saying at some level, but it's impossibly idealistic and entirely speculative. idealism is vital tho. but yeah. who knows exactly what would happen if somehow someway the crazy real club stuff got mainstream coverage, but i highly doubt it would take off like spank rock, there's no foundation for it too. the foundation ahs to be built sometime somewhere though if something like that is ever going to happen. i remember how excited i was to see articles in rolling stone and spin some years back about the belleville 3, thinking yes, the rest of the world is finally going to wake up to this brilliant music and real dance music will become a viable part of the music industry!bzzt! but then again, it depends on your pov. playlists from ibiza have gotten better, and i'm certainly happier to see kompakt inhabiting the same space moonshine and company used to. it could be better, maybe, but it could also be much worse. something is usually better than nothing, and that goes for spank's mis-credit as bmore club as well M. Tang | A R Generator Detroit/Chicago/Berlin email. [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim. jiji2017 www.generatormusic.com = Coming soon: GEN029 - Neon Sex Fiend - Elektrofive (12) Remixes by DJ K1, Ultradyne, and Mauser. Soundclips @ www.generatormusic.com Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
(313) appropriation thread w.r.t. Detroit, Ghetto Tech
also somewhat relevant- this guy did a master's thesis on the subject, posted here for all to read! http://www.dickride.com/gm-ghettotech-thesis.pdf - Original Message From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 12:23:48 PM Subject: Re: (313) Justice I'm not entirely sure who it is you think missed the opportunity. They showed that ad a lot, and if anyone watching TV thought 'wow what is that?' they could have hit the internet to find out. I'm sure there is someone out there that saw that commercial and was turned on to the music, but that happened before licensing music for a commercial became a big deal. Now every band's dream is to sell a track for a commercial, and their CDs go out with stickers that say AS HEARD IN THE LATEST STAY FRESH MAXIPAD COMMERCIAL. That was also when people thought a half million people were showing up at DEMF. I'm not sure the US is ever going to take Techno out of the underground. All the American artists making the music make most of their money overseas. The majority of Americans are so musically conservative that Radiohead is considered edgy for using electronic percussion. Most Americans are turned off by any music that doesn't feature a prominent vocal. On 6/29/07, Generator Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nevermind rolling stones or spinwhat about that Ford commercial??? I personally thought it was the Jackie Robinson moment for Detroit Techno, the break this music was waiting for. I thought it was the greatest thing ever to happen to this music and it was a sign of things to come for this music ACROSS the board. But nooo, mugs' egos and the lack of foresight by everyone, including the audience ruined it. And none of it was Ford's fault either. So basically we all saw what happened if this music TRIED to leave the underground. It still kills me to this day of that missed opportunity. Marina Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php
Re: (313) Justice
you can add your own influence to something else. hiphop culture is all over the globe now, and it has been mutated and added on to. i personally think all of this stuff sucks, but at least it is being done by people who live that culture as best as it is done in their country. spank rock and ta live down the street, theyre spectators to a culture they then represent. it wouldnt matter if they were purple if they were down with the culture. but theyre not so it doesnt matter. so how are they *not* down with the culture? What would they be doing differently if they were down with the culture? I always always got the impression from the early hollertronix/the rub/moneystudies/et all that their whole vibe was we're not you guys, but we're *down* with what you are doing (with respect to the baltimore producers and such). Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: (313) Justice
I'm so shocked and disappointed that a serious, real artist such as DJ Funk (from a genuine place like Chicago) would pander to working with such transparent and vapid scenesters as Justice (from Paris no less... what the hell do they know about culture anyway?) - Original Message From: Carlos de Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:55:45 AM Subject: Re: (313) Justice speaking of dj funk: in an interview (for those who understand german: http://www.de-bug.de/texte/4588.html, quite funny read...) he says that he's going to release stuff on ed banger. as far as i know there's only a remix for justice's waters of nazareth so far. oh, back on topic. if you wanna see him and the ed banger posse clowning check: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrLxDZeqiw0 (even if don't dig the music, you have to give respect for the raw energy in that room, hilarious) c* Contrast what he does with, for example, DJ Funk. I know Chuck a little -- he's played here several times, and I spent one very weird night driving him around town. Nice enough guy. Funk is very much an authentic proponent of Booty House. But his show consists of mixing between two CDRs in Pioneer CD decks, and him jumping around and clowning. People seem to like it, but as far as a musical performance goes, give me Tittsworth any day. Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
Re: (313) Justice
well, yes but... I was being heavy handedly sarcastic. but now you bring money into it... - Original Message From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:19:29 AM Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6/28/07, Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so shocked and disappointed that a serious, real artist such as DJ Funk (from a genuine place like Chicago) would pander to working with such transparent and vapid scenesters as Justice (from Paris no less... what the hell do they know about culture anyway?) their money spends as well as anyone else's. and its good that someone with some actual place to make money from such music is getting it instead of the other jokers they have on there. tom Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: (313) Justice
I hear you about that problem, and again, this is part and parcel to the appropriation issue. but - again, personal anecdote here - I've purchased a lot of baltimore club 12s at this point, but a few years back I'd never heard of it. What exposed me to it? (I live on the west coast, b.t.w.) the Hollertronix mix: Never Scared. Before I had garnered an appreciation for Detroit techno... what stuff did I come across that piqued my interested in electronic music in general? Honestly I'm embarrassed to name the acts but, all cross-over stuff where they were appropriating. Same with the route I took in my long winding education of hip hop culture. Believe me, my experience in appreciating African-American music culture as a whole has given me DEEP pause in considering the Elvis effect. Is that white guilt? I'm loath to think so. I'm just grateful - whatever the path taken - that I've been exposed to some phenomenal music and culture that I love. SO: when I we have a modern rock station out here that will play hip hop every once and a while, but when they do... IT'S THE BEASTIE BOYS! yeah, I wince a little... its kinda messed up no doubt. but then, who knows, maybe there were be some people that get exposed to it, and then that's just a starting point for a whole world that's opened up. I wonder: could I be the only fan of Derrick May that at one point enjoyed listening to Exit Planet Dust? - Original Message From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:29:05 AM Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6/28/07, Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, yes but... I was being heavy handedly sarcastic. but now you bring money into it... my whole problem is that these guys that i dont like are taking money, exposure, popularity, and credit from the people who really deserve it. which is part of the reason im so angry about it. if the deserving people get hooked up with all of that, someone might actually be doing something right. but one remix isnt enough! tom Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367
Re: (313) Justice
fine but my point was in terms of money - I would have not sent what I did into the hands of DJ Technics, Rod Lee, etc if it wasn't for the Hollertronix mix that put their stuff in my ears. those guys got paid more money then that might have if it weren't for the youngsters propagation of it. but then, maybe that mix made hollertronix more dough than the DJs saw right? well that's a classic debate about djs vs producers right there anyway. - Original Message sure, people can get involved with good music from entry level stuff, but how many more just stay into nonsense? if 10,000 people in the US were chem bros fans, how many of them went on to become techno or house fans vs how many went on to become trance and progressive fans? i think its always best to give people the good stuff and let them decide from that. people are inherently lazy, and especially when its hard to find good info about something as underground as club music or the like out there, it makes it increasingly unlikely that people will go from liking the corny stuff to supporting the good stuff. Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php
Re: (313) Justice finale??
i think all the issues we've been talking about relate equally as much to detroit techno, no? just replace spank rock with ritchie hawtin, technics with mike banks, and bmore with detroit, et voila thanx for that. in my last post I was tempted to mention Disco D and DJ Assault to that effect as well. Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
Re: (313) Justice
and it's still not really about bmore. they are bringing attention to the music. they shouldn't? not in this disingenuous manner. Thomas, I really really hear you on a lot of what you are saying in your email, and yes, there's a twisted element at the core of American pop culture where we've seen it over and over and over again. but I guess I just don't get what *would* be a genuine way of calling attention to the music? (in contrast to this disingenuous manner). Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: (313) Justice
Hi - lurker here - isn't this simply called appropriation? And I don't even mean that in any specific racial context, since I think you could frame it in terms of generation or even just in terms of scenes. but anyway, yeah, Spankrock and supposed white scenesters are doing their thing and showing influence from a sound that they're genuinely fans of. And I think that is the correct characterization of it too: They are definitely not ripping it off or watering it down - but taking (and what they're taking is basically summed up by the ubiquitous break beat and sample-looping style) and adding to it a lot of different other elements from electro, freestyle, miami bass, drum and bass (esp. w/ tittsworth), and even UK garage styles. I mean, on this board is anyone here still got beef with people in the UK becoming fans of hey-day late 80's techno from Detroit and Chicago... and (fake gasp) making their own takes on those styles? I think its a pollination from the winds effect ... a natural force (or component or effect) of culture... what's the problem?! - Original Message From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:56:59 AM Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6/27/07, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dunno man, sometimes it's unfair to blame the artist. blame the hypemachine(s). everything i've read about him is very humble and straightforward -- and doesn't even mention bmore. it's all nyc...i dunno. other bmore stuff can blow up in it's own right, i don't see that ayres and spank are holding anybody down, unless they really did steal someone else's sound straight up...but i don't hear that, at least not with what i've heard... its not about straight up stealing a sound, its about getting popular with a watered down version of something that isnt even his to water down. theyre the elvises of club music. i mean technics and a bunch of other bmore guys are all up in the soundtrack to The Wire and i thought they had some major record deals stemming from that? they are definitely representing bmore in that show at least, which is a pretty big deal... yeah, they also reference it in dialogue as well, which is really dope. the guys who make that show go out of their way to make sure that they represent baltimore properly. i don't hear it that way. their music is a joke, but that doesn't mean the music they are influenced by is, or that their music isn't still good. see pubahs at least pubah's was still getting play from real ghetto and electro deejays in detroit. ive never seen or heard of one of the real bmore deejays dropping spankrock tunes. you probably will hear some bad stuff and get turned off...they're all like 17-19 years old, max. and they are hot on mtv etc. still, i approve. if you don't like too short, you probably won't like this either tho (lyrics are cleaner, but the rest is too short evolved...) im down with some shorty the pimp. tom Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: (313) Justice
yeah... maybe its a purist thing I guess. and for myself I do collect the baltimore club stuff with I suppose a purist mindset sort of too... I definitely get the spank rock / tittsworth / Ayres / bamabounce stuff but see it as a different creature (offspring) of sorts. b.t.w. on the you don't see the baltimore guys playing their stuff comment from someone... there's the Johnny Blaze remix of Diplo's Way More on dip's website. maybe an isolated example but its something. - Original Message From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:24:06 AM Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6/27/07, Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean, on this board is anyone here still got beef with people in the UK becoming fans of hey-day late 80's techno from Detroit and Chicago... and (fake gasp) making their own takes on those styles? i have no beef, but as with UK emcees and the like, i find it pretty telling that my collection is 95% US records. nothing is better than the real thing. tom Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
Re: (313) Justice
its a classic debate here, ain't it? Elvis, or the Beatles and the Rolling Stones with respect to Rock Roll and the Blues, Little Richard, etc. (or even Beastie Boys, Eminem, etc?) I agree with J.T. comment about blame society not the artist. if an artists work reflects influence of something they genuinely admire... can they help it if they get popular? Was it Elvis's fault he was white? - Original Message From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 2:10:05 PM Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6/27/07, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's all cultural politics, which concerns me, but it's beside the fact of whether the music is good or not, and while i can't say it doesn't affect my opinion of music if i know the backstory etc, i don't think it should. its not cultural politics, its whats right and whats wrong. elvis was just trying to make some music he loved, he wasn't trying to steal black music, and he didn't sound just like black music. he can't help it that white america loved his music, what was he supposed to do, say thanks anyway, but keep your money i'd rather be a starving artist? or should he have just stuck to making white music and minded his place? that's a real narrow view and we wouldn't have a lot of great musical styles if people did that. he should have said this is wrong, i am not the king of rock and roll, this is all nonsense, these are the people who made this music, they should be getting paid and be popular. obviously, he never did anything of the sort. he was all too happy to continue the bamboozlement because it put cash in his pocket. which is why i dont give a sh*t about elvis. if everybody thought like that, people would have dismissed techno (ahem) as just some black guys trying to sound like german guys. but thats obviously not true. or how about convextion, he's not black, and he's not from detroit so? was he trying to white wash a sound to make it popular for people who are outside of its usual audience? obviously you fall into the same category, you come from this culture, you make the music. there's no problem with that. if you're going to get all political about music, don't blame the artists, blame society. but the artists are the ones who control how they are marketed and who their crowds are and what the perception of their music is. its possible to do it the right way without being a bullsh*t artist. i didn't even know ayres was white and i think it has f*ckall to do with whether he's a good dj or not, nor do i think the fact that he's popular while the original guys aren't has anything to do with how his music sounds. his music is a joke, that has nothing to do with why i dont like these other aspects of it. but the fact that people equate his joke music to club music is what really irritates me. besides, like rob g says, spank and ayres etc have their own sound, they're not just imitators. no, theyre selling an image of that music to people who peddle in irony instead of good music. its even worse than being an imitator IMO. who cares? music is what it is, i don't care who's playing it or how much street cred it has if i really like it. street cred? what are you talking about? all music is part of a culture that shapes the sounds. if someone is not part of that culture and just jacks the sounds, theyre just pirates. which is what titface and whatshisname do. music is not just some notes played on an instrument, there's a reason for each note and each rhythm. if i don't like it i am more likely to focus on all these things you are, but it's nonsense really, nothing to do with the actual aesthetics of music. i cant disagree more. watered down crap isnt going to sound as good as the stuff its ripping off, it never does. maybe if youve never heard the real stuff, knock offs sound okay. i don't like el-p because i don't like his voice or his flow, not because he's white and didn't grow up in bed-stuy and doesn't get played by [blank] i like el-p's beats because he came from hiphop culture and his audience is a hiphop audience. i dont like his rhyming because it is weak. that is different from why i dont like someone like tithead and whatever or spank rock. sh*t, what they do could be being done solely by black artists and i would still think it was just as weak. of course i dont think its a coincidence that these kinds of things are almost always perpetrated by white artists. tom Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
(313) XLR8R TV: Soul Skate ’07
http://www.xlr8r.com/topstories/2007/06/xlr8r_tv_episode_12_soul_skate.php XLR8R TV's Brianna Pope heads to the best party at this year's Detroit Electronic Music Festival–Soul Skate '07–to get the real dirt on Detroit rollerskating. The reclusive, legendary Detroit DJ/producer Kenny Dixon, Jr. (a.k.a. Moodymann) hosted the night, which brought out not only loyal Detroit music fans, but also lifelong Motown skaters who don't mess around when it comes to serious roller parties. Rock, skate, roll, bounce! Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
DE9 track / sub genre
greetings 313- the last track of Hawtin's Deck, Effects and 909 mix ends with Never Tell You (Version) by Rhythm and Sound. it seems like more of a dub track than techno, its clean minimal sound complements the mix well. is this what others are talking about when they refer to dubby techno or techno/dub hybrids? can anyone give some info on Rhythm and Sound and others probing this area? looks like they're on Basic Channel, but while I've heard that name a lot, I'm not familar with where they're from. thanx, Rob G * http://www.bombdiggity.com/ * Free e-mail and special offers: 300MB of FREE SPACE at http://www.freediskspace.com/Signup.asp?cust=AFFL444
Re: [313] Bass booty ?
IMHO the booty guys to watch are Disco D and Zap. their mixes are available on www.gtirecordings.com while we're on the subject, there's a bunch of staple tracks that I hear in their and assaults' and godfathers' mixes that I just can't trainspot. (Though I recently figured out who DJ Funk was!) Assault has sampled/remixs of tracks with the vocal part: Aww sh--/Here we go/Hit it from the back/Beat that --- but who did the original? is it from my Miami? (on the new Assault mix, there's a raw Aw S--- (female version)) Also, the one thats just like Jit jit jit jit jit (I know a lot are like that, but there's one in particular.) there's a simlar one thats like umbumpumbumpba, umbumpumbumpba. who is doing this stuff? its like minimal bumpin' booty!! thanks for the tip on Peaches peace, DJG Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:38:28 +1100 (EST) To: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: mee-thod [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Bass booty ? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another thing I'd like recommandations on is booty - I'm currently waiting for my copy of DJ Assault's Belle Isle Tech, other representative records for that style ? boyzIImen tupac that 'little dick' song, whoever wrote it would u like some sexist drivel with your bass? yes please! i had a considered mail about the whys and wherefores of bollocks bass, but i figured i needed to respond on the level of the music. all they have to do is cut the lyrics but then all those hormonal adolescent boys/men/grrls won't be interested, *sniff* *snort* *dribble* emma mee-thod -it's in the way that you groove it- * http://www.bombdiggity.com/ * Free e-mail and special offers: 300MB of FREE SPACE at http://www.freediskspace.com/Signup.asp?cust=AFFL444
