Re: What this list is and isn't about

[U Design]

I can speak from personal experience that the Detroit police have actually
helped the team I worked with to find a venue, pull a liquor license, and
get the proper insurance so we could have an all night party Movement
weekend of 2003... But I also know people who have been brutalized by
police because they were driving in the wrong neighborhood, ie driving in a
white city while black.

I know that Black Lives Matter is a very important movement because the
systemic racism in this country is ridiculously disgusting and anyone who
denies the fact that this movement is necessary, well, I imagine they've
never looked into appropriation of black culture and black music. I imagine
they've never asked the Detroit musicians they work with about the fears
they have going north of 8 mile. I imagine they don't dig deep into
conversations about any of this with the black musicians they know, and I
imagine if they did broach the subject, they aren't really asking to learn,
they are just asking to appease or make themselves look "woke".

I know I'm white and I've used my white privilege more than a few times to
snap back at people who were being racist. I've also used my skills in
understanding how social networks work and worked on a number of teams
where we created event programs to bridge racial and socioeconomic divides,
creating a space where blacks and whites felt safe to come together. Its
not easy, but its definitely necessary.

I don't enjoy seeing these threads where people who love Detroit Techno are
now comparing BLM to the KKK... or where someone who has studied in-depth
about Detroit Techno and actually put out published writings about the
music is being targeted because she's had some snarky responses to threads
that I personally would've like to smack sense into the people writing them
but since I tend to not engage with those posts, I guess I've "lucked out"
and not been targeted in the same way.

I fear that this list is about to succumb to the same political divide that
is currently plaguing our country.   I would recommend the moderator maybe
curate some topics to try and start/lead the conversations back toward
Detroit Techno. There are some truly incredible stories in the history of
Detroit Techno...

Has anyone talked about the time that a vanful of Detroit's originators
loaded into a cargo van to go to NYC for the music conference? I think 17
people crammed into that van. Mike Banks was driving, Jeff Mills was in the
passenger seat, the back was crammed with people. So full that Billy Love
had to ride in the door well...

Now those kinds of stories are what I'm always on the hunt for.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 17:30 Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Black Lives Matter.
>
> How is this about police? Why you gotta make this about politics?
> Everything is about politics with you. When you defund the police, you get
> a little bit of chaos, that's to be expected. But I feel like we already
> were havin chaos, so it's not even different.
>
> Since when is club culture about lovin the police??? The cops shut down
> the parties. The best raves are illegal. A lot of electronic dance music
> scholars have written so much about legal issues related to rave and dance
> club culture. It's almost boring. Does anyone read anymore? Books?
> Articles? Well researched stuff? No? Nothin?
>
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:18 PM Rob Taylor 
> wrote:
>
>>  Not sure why you’re in this group Joe if you are equating any black
>> movement with the KKK, esp if you are defending cops
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 20:20, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> As much as I’d love to respond by saying “figures you’d defend a group
>> that’s pretty much the black version of the KKK which makes you a bigger
>> racist than they are ” I won’t out of respect to Rob’s request 
>>
>> Sorry guys, just taking advantage of the Wild West here while it lasts.
>> See what happens when you abolish the police? 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:56 AM Denise Dalphond <
>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, I blocked you a long time ago, too. It takes a lot of effort to
>>> sort through your loony messages. Which racist group? White people?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>>> *ethnomusicologist*
>>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Rob Taylor 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Very familiar, hence the comment. Please stop with this both Joe and
 Denise.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:26, Rob Taylor 
 wrote:

 It is. Wtf.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi  wrote:

 
 Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and
 Karen’s actions here.  Apparently not?

 If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.

Re: How many folks on the list in the Detroit area?

[U Design]

I'm in Detroit still.
Detroit 1995-1998 then 2003-2004 and then again from 2007 to now.

Been a behind the scenes soldier in event management, artist bookings,
music publishing/ royalty collections and videography since 2003.

Love my city, it keeps drawing me back everytime life leads me away.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 16:20 kent williams  wrote:

> There's no geographic limitation to being a techno fan but I'm curious:
> Who is left on the list who lives in Detroit, Ann Arbor, Ypsi, & the
> Detroit burbs?
>

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[U Design]

Photographers that have some good books...

Dave Krieger

Dave Shanaman doesnt have a book but his work is cherished by many of us
here in Detroit.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 17:45 Mario De Block  wrote:

> I can't see how anyone here would be ok with one member's explicit
> suggestion that simply subscribing to unwritten board rules (on hatefree
> speech, really) would link to being ok with rape culture. I can't see that.
> What else is there than some degree of malevolence, particularly far away
> from male violence in this case (which I detest, too).
>
> 313 Question: does anybody know about fine photography books on nowadays
> Detroit? I liked this one very much: http://www.marchandmeffre.com/detroit.
> But maybe there's more that isn't on sale via usual webshops.
>
> I always felt some kind of link between the melancholy of a partially
> decaying city and some of the better, stringed Detroit techno. Though I
> hope there's enough initiatives still to revive the city center, of course.
>
> Mario
>
>
>
> --
> *Van:* Andrew Green 
> *Verzonden:* woensdag 26 februari 2020 21:14
> *Aan:* Arturo Lopez 
> *CC:* Three-One-Three <313@hyperreal.org>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: Keep it real (and on topic)
>
> Been lurking here for a long time .. I read the emails when I’m travelling
> and need space.
>
> I know Lerato and seeing her departure saddened me.
>
> I’m not qualified to have an opinion on the Derrick / Michael thing.
> but it’s really bizarre and ironic that the Innovator could be catalysis
> for the 313 list breaking up.  I hope not !
>
>
>
>
> > On 26 Feb 2020, at 19:58, Arturo Lopez  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Yea I'm out, too.  Signal/Noise ratio has not been worth slugging
> through dumpster fire threads for a while now.  Have fun, cheers,
> everybody.
> > -Arturo
> >
> >
>

Re: Thing NOT to do on the 313 list.

[U Design]

Thank you Kent!

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 15:13 kent williams  wrote:

> 1. Pile on Denise Dalphond. What ever issues you have with her,
> complaining about Denise is not on topic for the 313 list.  Either contact
> her and work it out, or let it slide. Or unsubscribe.
> 2. Announce you're unsubscribing. A simple Irish goodbye is sufficient.
> 3. Any kind of ad hominem attack on another list member.
> 4. Appeal to the admin to 'ban X.' Literally, for all X.
>
> This isn't - as the kids say - me sub-tweeting anyone specifically.  Just
> me hoping that the list can go on with a modicum of tact and respect, and
> above all, on-topic-ness.
>

Re: Newest Detroit Techno artists?

[U Design]

A new label in Detroit is called Xpressway Records. Its run by William Paul
and his first series of releases highlights a really broad segment of the
current Techno & House producers in Detroit today.

I feel like Ian Finklestein could be considered one of the young ones,
although I'm not really sure of his age.

Dj Holographic, DJ Stacye J, and the Saunderson brothers are also younger.

If I think of anymore I'll let you know.

Jodie

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 10:28 Ali Berger  wrote:

> Hey all, been lurking for a year or 2, first time writing in. A lot of the
> people talked about on this list began their careers 25-35 years ago but
> I'm curious, who are the newest/youngest/most recently debuted producers
> (or DJs or live acts) you would consider Detroit Techno artists?
>

Re: Michael James vs Derrick May

[U Design]

When I lived overseas I saw Derrick way more than I do living here in
Detroit. I personally never had a problem with him. He never made unwanted
advances towards me or any of the women I know working those events.  He
was always a complete gentleman.
I could write a book about the unwanted advances I've had from other DJs
and musicians, so it was quite the surprise when I saw his posts about
Derrick.
I've heard about what happened with him and Laura Gavoor but that was over
20 years ago. People evolve.
This Michael James character reminds me of someone who is all talk and
nothing to show. He says he's writing a book but with how much and what he
posts on social media, I highly doubt it will ever happen.
My heart goes out to Derrick's daughter who may have to see some of this.

On Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 06:31 Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> People refuse to meet Derrick May alone? That’s weird. I interviewed him
> on Valentines Day quite a few years ago at a coffee shop in Ann Arbor. He
> wanted to come out there. And then, one Movement Festival weekend a while
> ago, I met with him and a bunch of other men at Transmat to talk about my
> research and writing and maybe a collaboration. I had long hair then.
> Nobody messed with me. And then, while I was finishing my dissertation on
> Detroit house and techno, I worked at Whole Foods and bagged Derrick May’s
> groceries a surprising number of times, both in Ann Arbor and West
> Bloomfield. He was always a sweetie pie. And, equally as interesting, at
> the Detroit Whole Foods, I was a cashier for the lady from Adult. It was
> wonderful.
>
>
> Denise
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 3:09 AM Kevin Kennedy  wrote:
>
>> Ahh, the endless cycle...
>> Derrick does a re-re-re-re release (includes something out of the
>> vault that was released three decades ago)
>> Derrick hints that he's 'getting back in the studio' and people get
>> excited for new works from Mr. May
>> Someone claims that the work Derrick's peddling wasn't his to begin
>> with/stolen/collaborators weren't credited or paid
>> Court of public opinion chimes in and makes judgement based upon
>> information provided, some pick a side.
>> Derrick is accused of many other things, stories emerge.
>> Hype surrounds the release because of the possible implications of the
>> stories.
>> Mr. May continues his legendary status and tours the world, DJing.
>>
>> Rinse, and repeat.
>>
>> I sincerely hope that whatever happens this time, it's resolved for
>> good and those feeling they deserve something get what they deserve.
>> Since I don't have a dog in this fight, I just hope this comes to an
>> amiable solution.
>>
>> However, knowing some of my close friends who refuse to meet Derrick
>> alone gives me pause to the plausibility of some of these accusations.
>>
>> Unfortunately, this is still great press for Derrick May's current
>> venture, and until something 'really' happens, it will remain that
>> way.   I'm saddened by this.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:45 AM Wibo Lammerts  wrote:
>> >
>> > Goodmorning good people of the 313,
>> >
>> > I don't see any post about this, or I could have missed it, but I was
>> wondering what the general opinion is about the recent messages from
>> Michael James on Facebook regarding Derrick May?
>> >
>> > https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=793874029
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > W
>> >
>> > --
>> > | soundcloud | mixcloud | twitter |
>> > --
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> FBK
>>
>> Absoloop/Orange 82
>>
> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>

Re: Movement night 31st Jan Pistons VS Raptors - Carl Craig at 1/2 time

[U Design]

The sound system in the arena is phenomenal so this is gonna be swet!

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 22:22 Danielle Scott  wrote:

> Road trip!
>
> #wethenorth
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 10:17 PM Chris Wallis, 
> wrote:
>
>> Just saw this from the movement fest instagram feed. Looks like Pistons
>> and Movement are doing a night promoting the festival with Carl Craig
>> performing at half at Little Caesars Arena.
>>
>> Just interested in this cross over. Gonna be hell interesting to hear
>> stories what happens on the night. Any Pistons season ticket holders on the
>> mailing list?
>>
>> Chris Wallis
>> Melbourne - Australia
>>
>