I can speak from personal experience that the Detroit police have actually helped the team I worked with to find a venue, pull a liquor license, and get the proper insurance so we could have an all night party Movement weekend of 2003... But I also know people who have been brutalized by police because they were driving in the wrong neighborhood, ie driving in a white city while black.
I know that Black Lives Matter is a very important movement because the systemic racism in this country is ridiculously disgusting and anyone who denies the fact that this movement is necessary, well, I imagine they've never looked into appropriation of black culture and black music. I imagine they've never asked the Detroit musicians they work with about the fears they have going north of 8 mile. I imagine they don't dig deep into conversations about any of this with the black musicians they know, and I imagine if they did broach the subject, they aren't really asking to learn, they are just asking to appease or make themselves look "woke". I know I'm white and I've used my white privilege more than a few times to snap back at people who were being racist. I've also used my skills in understanding how social networks work and worked on a number of teams where we created event programs to bridge racial and socioeconomic divides, creating a space where blacks and whites felt safe to come together. Its not easy, but its definitely necessary. I don't enjoy seeing these threads where people who love Detroit Techno are now comparing BLM to the KKK... or where someone who has studied in-depth about Detroit Techno and actually put out published writings about the music is being targeted because she's had some snarky responses to threads that I personally would've like to smack sense into the people writing them but since I tend to not engage with those posts, I guess I've "lucked out" and not been targeted in the same way. I fear that this list is about to succumb to the same political divide that is currently plaguing our country. I would recommend the moderator maybe curate some topics to try and start/lead the conversations back toward Detroit Techno. There are some truly incredible stories in the history of Detroit Techno... Has anyone talked about the time that a vanful of Detroit's originators loaded into a cargo van to go to NYC for the music conference? I think 17 people crammed into that van. Mike Banks was driving, Jeff Mills was in the passenger seat, the back was crammed with people. So full that Billy Love had to ride in the door well... Now those kinds of stories are what I'm always on the hunt for. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 17:30 Denise Dalphond <denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: > Black Lives Matter. > > How is this about police? Why you gotta make this about politics? > Everything is about politics with you. When you defund the police, you get > a little bit of chaos, that's to be expected. But I feel like we already > were havin chaos, so it's not even different. > > Since when is club culture about lovin the police??? The cops shut down > the parties. The best raves are illegal. A lot of electronic dance music > scholars have written so much about legal issues related to rave and dance > club culture. It's almost boring. Does anyone read anymore? Books? > Articles? Well researched stuff? No? Nothin? > > > > *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* > *ethnomusicologist* > *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>* > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:18 PM Rob Taylor <barringtonphelo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Not sure why you’re in this group Joe if you are equating any black >> movement with the KKK, esp if you are defending cops >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 30 Jun 2020, at 20:20, Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> As much as I’d love to respond by saying “figures you’d defend a group >> that’s pretty much the black version of the KKK which makes you a bigger >> racist than they are ” I won’t out of respect to Rob’s request 🍻🙏 >> >> Sorry guys, just taking advantage of the Wild West here while it lasts. >> See what happens when you abolish the police? 😆 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:56 AM Denise Dalphond < >> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Joe, I blocked you a long time ago, too. It takes a lot of effort to >>> sort through your loony messages. Which racist group? White people? >>> >>> >>> >>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* >>> *ethnomusicologist* >>> *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>* >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Rob Taylor <barringtonphelo...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Very familiar, hence the comment. Please stop with this both Joe and >>>> Denise. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:26, Rob Taylor <barringtonphelo...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It is. Wtf. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and >>>> Karen’s actions here. Apparently not? >>>> >>>> If so you’d see that my comment was spot on. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean <danbean....@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This sounds quite racist. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the >>>>>> designated foot-kisser?? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond < >>>>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate >>>>>>> school all those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> how small and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. >>>>>>> Either >>>>>>> way, you’re too short. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver < >>>>>>> thearchi...@thearchiver.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can you close the door on your way out... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond <denisedalph...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’m still on the list, yo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not >>>>>>>> doing it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing >>>>>>>> with Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams < >>>>>>>> chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. Detroit techno music >>>>>>>>> 2. Detroit house music >>>>>>>>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music >>>>>>>>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit. >>>>>>>>> 5. The people who make 1-4 >>>>>>>>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What it isn't about: >>>>>>>>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above >>>>>>>>> 2. The list admin. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since you're coming for me in particular. >>>>>>>>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh? >>>>>>>>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme >>>>>>>>> bell-end" "No offense" means "I'm going to be offensive." >>>>>>>>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't >>>>>>>>> bring them up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> music has diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've >>>>>>>>> made >>>>>>>>> myself off-topic. >>>>>>>>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no >>>>>>>>> one else wanted it. I do the best I can and if you don't like it, >>>>>>>>> unsubscribe. I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> spirit of "Let me google that for you." >>>>>>>>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis? That comment >>>>>>>>> seems out of order on several levels. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With >>>>>>>>>> all due >>>>>>>>>> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in >>>>>>>>>> politically. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> cheers >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> C >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. >>>>>>>> ethnomusicologist >>>>>>>> schoolcraftwax.work >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. >>>>>>> ethnomusicologist >>>>>>> schoolcraftwax.work >>>>>>> >>>>>>
