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there is no way for the RIAA to do shxt in russia - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 11:11 AM Subject: Re: (313) [Fwd: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds] Maybe someone should inform the RIAA and IFPI? They've got warehouses full of money and seem rather eager at shutting down mp3 download sites. MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org com cc: Subject: Re: (313) [Fwd: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds] 11/08/2004 06:04 PM Please respond to Martin Dust Great name or not - some of our stuff is on there and I'm pretty gutted at the whole thing... Martin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:50 AM Subject: Re: (313) [Fwd: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds] He's got a top name tho Martin, you gotta give him that
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Someone over on the techhouse list got a response from Jetgroove.com's attorney, for those interested or curious... Original Message Subject: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds From: Lori Riegler-Namvar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, October 8, 2004 9:12 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Lori Rielger-Namvar, My name is Ulukman Mamytov and I am the attorney for jetgroove.com. I bring you apologies from JetGroove for making you worry about your copyrights infringements and your music repertoire being presented on our website. I want to assure you that jetgroove.com having started a new Online Music Download Service pursues the objective of making your music more wellknown and accessible and ONLY BY LEGAL MEANS. That means we DO NOT SELL any of your music without obtaining a proper permission (License) from you or other respective rightholders. You can easily check this by trying to purchase any of you music. Everything that you choose to put in your cart will have status: Not Available For Purchase Yet. It could only be put ON HOLD. And we do not change that status untill the contract is signed and your permission is granted. In this case all of your music will be given Allowed for Selling status and people who have it in their shopping carts will be able to buy it. The experince of showing your music on our website without distributing aimed to draw your attention to us, with further goal to make contacts with you on friendly terms with a perspective of mutually beneficial partnership. We're glad to inform you that your music is getting popular indeed through our website and we can let you know at any time how many of your tracks were put on hold and which ones. However, we deeply understand your concerns and would like to assure you, if you find our relationships impossible, we will IMMEDIATELY delete all of your music from our music collection. Hope you'll find our offer to make your music more popular through us rather reasonable and we can start that mutually beneficial partnership. Very Truly Yours, Ulukman Mamytov Jetgroove LLP Legal Department - Original Message - From: Lori Riegler-Namvar To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 2:01 AM Subject: Gourmet/Mazi catalog To Whom It May Concern: You don't have permission to sell the music from my catalog (Gourmet Recordings) or any of my artists listed below and you are doing so on your site www.jetgrooves.com? Can you please tell me where you got my music and fax me over a copy of the agreement giving you permission to sell my music online. All of the music you have listed on your site is registered with the RIAA. They will take legal action against you once informed of any fraudulent doing. Additionally, on my own behalf and best interests, if you fail to take down any improperly licensed music from your site, I will contact my attorney and have him take further action. Regards, Lori Rielger-Namvar Lori Riegler-Namvar Gourmet Recordings 1658 N. Milwaukee Ave. #140 Chicago, IL 60647 773 252 3120 Office 312 909 6259 Mobile 773 252 0176 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian Doolittle Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Techhouse] re: Jetgroove FYI the address that is on their website and was previously mentioned is not the addy the site used to register their domain it is: Jetgroove, LLP Suite 12, 3rd floor, Queens House, 180 Tottenham Court Road London United Kingdom _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented MicrosoftR SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU =http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSNR Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
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seems alright? fair enough? I wouldn't trust them damn russians though, I heard they still want to invade cuba. ; ) _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Subject: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds From: Lori Riegler-Namvar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, October 8, 2004 9:12 am The experince of showing your music on our website without distributing aimed to draw your attention to us, with further goal to make contacts with you on friendly terms with a perspective of mutually beneficial partnership. You usually don't get someone to sleep with you by telling everyone that you already have. -- Ian
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That was written by anyone with a law degree - faked up... - Original Message - From: John Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:17 AM Subject: (313) [Fwd: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds] Someone over on the techhouse list got a response from Jetgroove.com's attorney, for those interested or curious... Original Message Subject: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds From: Lori Riegler-Namvar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, October 8, 2004 9:12 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Lori Rielger-Namvar, My name is Ulukman Mamytov and I am the attorney for jetgroove.com. I bring you apologies from JetGroove for making you worry about your copyrights infringements and your music repertoire being presented on our website. I want to assure you that jetgroove.com having started a new Online Music Download Service pursues the objective of making your music more wellknown and accessible and ONLY BY LEGAL MEANS. That means we DO NOT SELL any of your music without obtaining a proper permission (License) from you or other respective rightholders. You can easily check this by trying to purchase any of you music. Everything that you choose to put in your cart will have status: Not Available For Purchase Yet. It could only be put ON HOLD. And we do not change that status untill the contract is signed and your permission is granted. In this case all of your music will be given Allowed for Selling status and people who have it in their shopping carts will be able to buy it. The experince of showing your music on our website without distributing aimed to draw your attention to us, with further goal to make contacts with you on friendly terms with a perspective of mutually beneficial partnership. We're glad to inform you that your music is getting popular indeed through our website and we can let you know at any time how many of your tracks were put on hold and which ones. However, we deeply understand your concerns and would like to assure you, if you find our relationships impossible, we will IMMEDIATELY delete all of your music from our music collection. Hope you'll find our offer to make your music more popular through us rather reasonable and we can start that mutually beneficial partnership. Very Truly Yours, Ulukman Mamytov Jetgroove LLP Legal Department - Original Message - From: Lori Riegler-Namvar To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 2:01 AM Subject: Gourmet/Mazi catalog To Whom It May Concern: You don't have permission to sell the music from my catalog (Gourmet Recordings) or any of my artists listed below and you are doing so on your site www.jetgrooves.com? Can you please tell me where you got my music and fax me over a copy of the agreement giving you permission to sell my music online. All of the music you have listed on your site is registered with the RIAA. They will take legal action against you once informed of any fraudulent doing. Additionally, on my own behalf and best interests, if you fail to take down any improperly licensed music from your site, I will contact my attorney and have him take further action. Regards, Lori Rielger-Namvar Lori Riegler-Namvar Gourmet Recordings 1658 N. Milwaukee Ave. #140 Chicago, IL 60647 773 252 3120 Office 312 909 6259 Mobile 773 252 0176 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian Doolittle Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Techhouse] re: Jetgroove FYI the address that is on their website and was previously mentioned is not the addy the site used to register their domain it is: Jetgroove, LLP Suite 12, 3rd floor, Queens House, 180 Tottenham Court Road London United Kingdom _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented MicrosoftR SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU =http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSNR Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
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Not much tho - which law firm do you know that uses free web mail? Martin - Original Message - From: matt kane's brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: Re: (313) [Fwd: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds] At 07:43 PM 11/8/2004, Martin Dust wrote: That was written by anyone with a law degree - faked up... at least they're giving a bit more courtesy that www.allofmp3.com -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Apologies if this offends anyone, but... You've hit the nail on the head. A contract with a Russian company is worth sh!t. No one will get paid here, and there isn't a leg to stand on legally if a contract is signed. That's the first and last time you'll probably come across my international accountant persona. Nick PS If this does offend anyone, please realise I'm only trying to help -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 October 2004 10:22 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) [Fwd: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds] seems alright? fair enough? I wouldn't trust them damn russians though, I heard they still want to invade cuba. ; ) _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Russian Boycott anyone? No? Awww, go on. ; ) _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Great name or not - some of our stuff is on there and I'm pretty gutted at the whole thing... Martin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:50 AM Subject: Re: (313) [Fwd: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds] He's got a top name tho Martin, you gotta give him that
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Maybe someone should inform the RIAA and IFPI? They've got warehouses full of money and seem rather eager at shutting down mp3 download sites. MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org com cc: Subject: Re: (313) [Fwd: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds] 11/08/2004 06:04 PM Please respond to Martin Dust Great name or not - some of our stuff is on there and I'm pretty gutted at the whole thing... Martin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:50 AM Subject: Re: (313) [Fwd: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds] He's got a top name tho Martin, you gotta give him that
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At 07:43 PM 11/8/2004, Martin Dust wrote: That was written by anyone with a law degree - faked up... at least they're giving a bit more courtesy that www.allofmp3.com -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've been thinking. Some of the Delsin stuff on there - it's hard to find right? Also, Martin says his stuff is on there. Am I right in thinking you've had nothing out yet Martin? Have you sent any promo's out? How have they got your stuff? they've got thousands of tracks on there. Everyone knows how long it takes to record stuff in. They must have took these mp3's from a peer to peer site? Do you think? _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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It wouldn't surprise me if there's no music actually sitting on their computers at all - they may well have just populated their database directly from Discogs. The whole enterprise looks highly dodgy to me. I hope it doesn't indicate that sharky mp3 net entrepeneur types, scared off by the powerful and litigous RIAA and BPI, have decided to focus their attention on us poor and lawyer-less types in the underground/non-commercial world. In many ways the underground must look like easy meat compared to major label artists. Brendan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 October 2004 16:23 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) [Fwd: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds] I've been thinking. Some of the Delsin stuff on there - it's hard to find right? Also, Martin says his stuff is on there. Am I right in thinking you've had nothing out yet Martin? Have you sent any promo's out? How have they got your stuff? they've got thousands of tracks on there. Everyone knows how long it takes to record stuff in. They must have took these mp3's from a peer to peer site? Do you think?
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It wouldn't surprise me if there's no music actually sitting on their computers at all - they may well have just populated their database directly from Discogs. nah, that might hold true except for the fact that they have more than a few tracks from artists that have never been released as well as a number of trax already released from netlabels (which are always free). smells like some snakes in the grass. I'm wearing my stomping boots today. crush some heads. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems Bebop was about change, about evolution. It wasn't about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change.
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also, It seems there've been some letters to the hosts. I'm pretty sure there are laws against hosting copyrighted material without permission in a general hosting contract. can anyone verify that they're offline or is it just me? looks like they've been taken down at the moment though... unless I'm wrong. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems Bebop was about change, about evolution. It wasn't about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change.
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It's clear what they are doing and it's fraud. They are trying to exploit people (labels/artists/punters) - hardly a great way to endear yourself to a label or artist, advertise their stuff for sale and then ask for permission, it just wrong... martin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:23 AM Subject: Re: (313) [Fwd: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds] I've been thinking. Some of the Delsin stuff on there - it's hard to find right? Also, Martin says his stuff is on there. Am I right in thinking you've had nothing out yet Martin? Have you sent any promo's out? How have they got your stuff? they've got thousands of tracks on there. Everyone knows how long it takes to record stuff in. They must have took these mp3's from a peer to peer site? Do you think? _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Yeah, they have my stuff on there also without any permission or agreements. telepathic regards, f®ed on 11/8/04 8:51 PM, Martin Dust at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's clear what they are doing and it's fraud. They are trying to exploit people (labels/artists/punters) - hardly a great way to endear yourself to a label or artist, advertise their stuff for sale and then ask for permission, it just wrong... martin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:23 AM Subject: Re: (313) [Fwd: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds] I've been thinking. Some of the Delsin stuff on there - it's hard to find right? Also, Martin says his stuff is on there. Am I right in thinking you've had nothing out yet Martin? Have you sent any promo's out? How have they got your stuff? they've got thousands of tracks on there. Everyone knows how long it takes to record stuff in. They must have took these mp3's from a peer to peer site? Do you think? _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Brendanhave decided to focus their attention on us poor and lawyer-less types in the underground/non-commercial world. In many ways the underground must look like easy meat compared to major label artists. Must say, it really does look like that might be the case. It's a shame, because the idea would be a honorable one in principle. I remember we had a conversation about this a while back, and the more knowledgable people on the list told me that this sort of thing was quite costly and difficult to do _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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hmmm, just thought i'd add my two cents. the practice of this jetgroove website is highly questionable imho. i'd probably advice any labelowner to summon jetgroove to take all references to his/her label's releases off the website. basically jetgroove is trying to cash in on the fact that artists and labelowners have spend time, effort and money in getting their music out, and get noticed by the public. now jetgroove tries to generate attention to their PAID service making use of the hard work by other, whom have not given their prior permission. the fact that they place the names of artists and labels on their website, as if these artists and labels have granted permission, could possible even damage the good name and image of these artists/labels, should the practice of jetgroove turn out to be fraudulent or otherwise illegal. jurren _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl
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-Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 October 2004 16:31 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) [Fwd: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds] It wouldn't surprise me if there's no music actually sitting on their computers at all - they may well have just populated their database directly from Discogs. My first through tat well. Second thought: who would wanna do business with these c*nts? Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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the one i used to work for On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Martin Dust wrote: Not much tho - which law firm do you know that uses free web mail? Martin - Original Message - From: matt kane's brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: Re: (313) [Fwd: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds] At 07:43 PM 11/8/2004, Martin Dust wrote: That was written by anyone with a law degree - faked up... at least they're giving a bit more courtesy that www.allofmp3.com -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
