Re: (313) American Artists overseas
It' s not that american artists don't get booked, they still get booked in Holland but they refuse to fly over to Europe now. A series of concerts which was supposed to take place over here with Jay-z, Erika Baduh and Grandmasterflash (not techno, i know, but Baduh sounds pretty relaxed at home:-) was cancelled because they are afraid of flying over, also matchbox 20 and some other guitarbands refused to fly over, not sure about the peeps in technoscene (anyone ever heard someting about that?). So i don't think it's a question of not getting booked, i think it 's more a question of artists willing to come over (even if they are booked), in these times. Just a thought on a lousy thursdaymorning... Martijn - Original Message - From: Greg::Malcolm . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: RE: (313) American Artists overseas i was in holland for a festival last week, and was treated very kindly by the dutch ppl i met, they are very anti-bush more than they are anti-american. ppl there referred to the US as the empire, and when we landed @ detroit en route to cleveland, it really seemed like the opening scene out of the first star wars...ppl were getting up and getting their luggage, when an announcement came out that US customs agents had entered the plane...they were armed and had a german shepard, and removed a few middle eastern men, who were presumably on some kind of country threat list. one was sitting two chairs down from me...very scary and most of the plane, who were foreingers were very anxious as well. GREG MALCOLM // TWINE // HTTP://TWINESOUND.COM From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) American Artists overseas Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:42:09 +0100 Hey, *I've* been attacked by skinheads - in East Germany! (At least they attempted to attack me!) The good thing about skinheads is that they effectively don't discriminate! They hate everybody who disagrees with them (which is virtually everybody!) Ken -Original Message- From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:33 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313 list Subject: (313) American Artists overseas I hope you're right, that American artists are still getting booked. A good friend of mine who isn't a techno artist was rather frightened on his last tour in Germany, where he was harrassed by skin heads and yelled at for being Americans elsewhere. Here's hoping, all evidence to the contrary, that we're not entering a new dark age. On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Odeluga, Ken wrote: American artists are less welcome in Europe given the current troubles. Current US/European political agreements aside, I can't see how this would contribute to US artists of any kind being overlooked for bookings here. In 'big business' (the ugly specter of which I raise, just for the sake of a comparison and an example) long-term well-known relationships are as normal with no question of wider considerations altering that. The only thing that's hurting everybody (inlcuding all types of music) is the global economic slowdown. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) American Artists overseas
It' s not that american artists don't get booked, they still get booked in Holland but they refuse to fly over to Europe now. A series of concerts which was supposed to take place over here with Jay-z, Erika Baduh and Grandmasterflash (not techno, i know, but Baduh sounds pretty relaxed at home:-) was cancelled because they are afraid of flying over, also matchbox 20 and some other guitarbands refused to fly over, not sure about the peeps in technoscene (anyone ever heard someting about that?). So i don't think it's a question of not getting booked, i think it 's more a question of artists willing to come over (even if they are booked), in these times. And american artists being afraid to fly and cancel gigs will result in less bookings by European promoters because they won't take the gamble on booking an US artists who could not show up and cancel the gig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a thought on a lousy thursdaymorning... Martijn - Original Message - From: Greg::Malcolm . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: RE: (313) American Artists overseas i was in holland for a festival last week, and was treated very kindly by the dutch ppl i met, they are very anti-bush more than they are anti-american. ppl there referred to the US as the empire, and when we landed @ detroit en route to cleveland, it really seemed like the opening scene out of the first star wars...ppl were getting up and getting their luggage, when an announcement came out that US customs agents had entered the plane...they were armed and had a german shepard, and removed a few middle eastern men, who were presumably on some kind of country threat list. one was sitting two chairs down from me...very scary and most of the plane, who were foreingers were very anxious as well. GREG MALCOLM // TWINE // HTTP://TWINESOUND.COM From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) American Artists overseas Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:42:09 +0100 Hey, *I've* been attacked by skinheads - in East Germany! (At least they attempted to attack me!) The good thing about skinheads is that they effectively don't discriminate! They hate everybody who disagrees with them (which is virtually everybody!) Ken -Original Message- From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:33 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313 list Subject: (313) American Artists overseas I hope you're right, that American artists are still getting booked. A good friend of mine who isn't a techno artist was rather frightened on his last tour in Germany, where he was harrassed by skin heads and yelled at for being Americans elsewhere. Here's hoping, all evidence to the contrary, that we're not entering a new dark age. On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Odeluga, Ken wrote: American artists are less welcome in Europe given the current troubles. Current US/European political agreements aside, I can't see how this would contribute to US artists of any kind being overlooked for bookings here. In 'big business' (the ugly specter of which I raise, just for the sake of a comparison and an example) long-term well-known relationships are as normal with no question of wider considerations altering that. The only thing that's hurting everybody (inlcuding all types of music) is the global economic slowdown. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
RE: (313) American Artists overseas
-Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2003 08:53 And american artists being afraid to fly and cancel gigs will result in less bookings by European promoters... And another major issue - which might have already been mentioned - is the general downturn in the industry, which makes a lot of promoters here slightly worried about how much money they could lose if they spend the extra money required to bring a North American artist across and then the crowd doesn't materialise. Add to that the risk of the artist either not coming across due to worries about terrorism, or not being *allowed* to come across as a result of the heightened security (I've heard stories of a number of US artists basically being turned away at airports), and you could be facing quite a big loss as a promoter. I think we're quite lucky in that the electronic music scene has yet to be tainted by the divisive renaissance in nationalism which seems to have crept into most other walks of life these last few years... Brendan
(313) American Artists overseas
I hope you're right, that American artists are still getting booked. A good friend of mine who isn't a techno artist was rather frightened on his last tour in Germany, where he was harrassed by skin heads and yelled at for being Americans elsewhere. Here's hoping, all evidence to the contrary, that we're not entering a new dark age. On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Odeluga, Ken wrote: American artists are less welcome in Europe given the current troubles. Current US/European political agreements aside, I can't see how this would contribute to US artists of any kind being overlooked for bookings here. In 'big business' (the ugly specter of which I raise, just for the sake of a comparison and an example) long-term well-known relationships are as normal with no question of wider considerations altering that. The only thing that's hurting everybody (inlcuding all types of music) is the global economic slowdown.
RE: (313) American Artists overseas
Hey, *I've* been attacked by skinheads - in East Germany! (At least they attempted to attack me!) The good thing about skinheads is that they effectively don't discriminate! They hate everybody who disagrees with them (which is virtually everybody!) Ken -Original Message- From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:33 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313 list Subject: (313) American Artists overseas I hope you're right, that American artists are still getting booked. A good friend of mine who isn't a techno artist was rather frightened on his last tour in Germany, where he was harrassed by skin heads and yelled at for being Americans elsewhere. Here's hoping, all evidence to the contrary, that we're not entering a new dark age. On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Odeluga, Ken wrote: American artists are less welcome in Europe given the current troubles. Current US/European political agreements aside, I can't see how this would contribute to US artists of any kind being overlooked for bookings here. In 'big business' (the ugly specter of which I raise, just for the sake of a comparison and an example) long-term well-known relationships are as normal with no question of wider considerations altering that. The only thing that's hurting everybody (inlcuding all types of music) is the global economic slowdown.
RE: (313) American Artists overseas
i was in holland for a festival last week, and was treated very kindly by the dutch ppl i met, they are very anti-bush more than they are anti-american. ppl there referred to the US as the empire, and when we landed @ detroit en route to cleveland, it really seemed like the opening scene out of the first star wars...ppl were getting up and getting their luggage, when an announcement came out that US customs agents had entered the plane...they were armed and had a german shepard, and removed a few middle eastern men, who were presumably on some kind of country threat list. one was sitting two chairs down from me...very scary and most of the plane, who were foreingers were very anxious as well. GREG MALCOLM // TWINE // HTTP://TWINESOUND.COM From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) American Artists overseas Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:42:09 +0100 Hey, *I've* been attacked by skinheads - in East Germany! (At least they attempted to attack me!) The good thing about skinheads is that they effectively don't discriminate! They hate everybody who disagrees with them (which is virtually everybody!) Ken -Original Message- From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:33 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313 list Subject: (313) American Artists overseas I hope you're right, that American artists are still getting booked. A good friend of mine who isn't a techno artist was rather frightened on his last tour in Germany, where he was harrassed by skin heads and yelled at for being Americans elsewhere. Here's hoping, all evidence to the contrary, that we're not entering a new dark age. On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Odeluga, Ken wrote: American artists are less welcome in Europe given the current troubles. Current US/European political agreements aside, I can't see how this would contribute to US artists of any kind being overlooked for bookings here. In 'big business' (the ugly specter of which I raise, just for the sake of a comparison and an example) long-term well-known relationships are as normal with no question of wider considerations altering that. The only thing that's hurting everybody (inlcuding all types of music) is the global economic slowdown. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
