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That's good news at least... Movement 08 will also bring back the underground stage, where Paxahau?s involvement in the festival began. -- *matt chester 11th hour recordings* www.myspace.com/mattchester1 www.myspace.com/11thhourrecordings www.virb.com/mattchester www.11-hour.com
Re: (313) Movement Update (Redbull, Myspace and Dieselboy)
I'm sure the Detroit purists won't agree, but if for some reason this festival congeals as the US's (other) large electronic music festival (besides WMC), I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I'm still scarred from the late 80s/90s when there was such strong animosity toward any kind of dance music. So getting Myspace sized visibility and year after year momentum can only be seen by me as a positive, as long as it doesn't completely betray its roots. And If I were to be completely pessimistic and assume that in 5 years whatever the festival evolves into only maintains 25% detroit musical presence, that would still be so insanely out of line with the greater dance/festival culture that I'd call it a success. - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:21:28 PM Subject: (313) Movement Update (Redbull, Myspace and Dieselboy) discuss: Detroit - May 24, 25 and 26th will bring Detroit alive with sounds from Movement 08: Detroit?s Electronic Music Festival in Hart Plaza with the Red Bull Music Academy, MySpace promotion and a higher level of production. Movement 08 also announces discounted tickets on sale now. The Red Bull Music Academy will join Movement 08 by producing a stage that reflects a broad range of musical talent from around the world. The Red Bull Music Academy Stage will replace the Pyramid Stage and include performances by: Newcleus, Egyptian Lover, Shawn Michaels, James Zabiela, Benny Bennassi, The Cool Kids,Girl Talk, DATABASS (featuring Godfather), Justin Kruse, Tech Itch and Dieselboy. Also joining this year as a media partner is the vastly popular, global online social networking site MySpace. Having grown over the previous years to become the largest online social network, MySpace is utilized by many artists and fans to connect and keep in touch with each other, adding an intimate element to the usual marketing channels. MySpace?s interest in working with the Movement Festival validates an already well known fact - Detroit?s Electronic Music Festival is an event that is continuing to grow and attract attention on a worldwide scale. After the last two years of progress and reviews the festival is getting some well deserved attention, notes festival director Jason Huvaere, there will be no question what?s happening in Detroit on Memorial Day weekend. In addition, this year?s event will increase the level of production regarding sound at the main stage and weather structures to protect attendees. Movement 08 will also bring back the underground stage, where Paxahau?s involvement in the festival began. We have taken great measures to bring the production to an even higher level, says Mike Fotias, Movement Production Manager, We understand that attendees come here expecting nothing but the best and we are determined to deliver. also there's this FREEP article http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080327/ENT04/803270434 MEK Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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Five years? Do the math. There is, at the moment, only a 25% detroit musician presence on the posted list of artists playing With Dieselboy I think it's now dropped slightly below 25%. I'd like to know how you think James Zabiela (a DJ schooled by non other than Sasha of Sasha Digweed fame) and Benny Benassi (who's latest album Rock Rave is out on Ultra records) don't betray the roots of Detroit. Are you ok with this sort of thing? So next year if they have Pete Tong, Paul Van Dyk, and Paul Oakenfold you'd be alright with that - as long as they keep a Detroit stage. Yeah, I suppose if there's a little corner in Detroit where Detroit artists can play :-/ MEK Gil Yaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/28/2008 07:02:29 AM: I'm sure the Detroit purists won't agree, but if for some reason this festival congeals as the US's (other) large electronic music festival (besides WMC), I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I'm still scarred from the late 80s/90s when there was such strong animosity toward any kind of dance music. So getting Myspace sized visibility and year after year momentum can only be seen by me as a positive, as long as it doesn't completely betray its roots. And If I were to be completely pessimistic and assume that in 5 years whatever the festival evolves into only maintains 25% detroit musical presence, that would still be so insanely out of line with the greater dance/festival culture that I'd call it a success. - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:21:28 PM Subject: (313) Movement Update (Redbull, Myspace and Dieselboy) discuss: Detroit - May 24, 25 and 26th will bring Detroit alive with sounds from Movement 08: Detroit?s Electronic Music Festival in Hart Plaza with the Red Bull Music Academy, MySpace promotion and a higher level of production. Movement 08 also announces discounted tickets on sale now. The Red Bull Music Academy will join Movement 08 by producing a stage that reflects a broad range of musical talent from around the world. The Red Bull Music Academy Stage will replace the Pyramid Stage and include performances by: Newcleus, Egyptian Lover, Shawn Michaels, James Zabiela, Benny Bennassi, The Cool Kids,Girl Talk, DATABASS (featuring Godfather), Justin Kruse, Tech Itch and Dieselboy. Also joining this year as a media partner is the vastly popular, global online social networking site MySpace. Having grown over the previous years to become the largest online social network, MySpace is utilized by many artists and fans to connect and keep in touch with each other, adding an intimate element to the usual marketing channels. MySpace?s interest in working with the Movement Festival validates an already well known fact - Detroit?s Electronic Music Festival is an event that is continuing to grow and attract attention on a worldwide scale. After the last two years of progress and reviews the festival is getting some well deserved attention, notes festival director Jason Huvaere, there will be no question what?s happening in Detroit on Memorial Day weekend. In addition, this year?s event will increase the level of production regarding sound at the main stage and weather structures to protect attendees. Movement 08 will also bring back the underground stage, where Paxahau?s involvement in the festival began. We have taken great measures to bring the production to an even higher level, says Mike Fotias, Movement Production Manager, We understand that attendees come here expecting nothing but the best and we are determined to deliver. also there's this FREEP article http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080327/ENT04/803270434 MEK Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo. com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
RE: (313) Movement Update (Redbull, Myspace and Dieselboy)
Virtually any festival of any note in the last few years has grown in this manner. The first few line-ups are always amazing, and then as it grows, costs escalate and other factors concerning the future viability of the project become prominent, and as such other, more commercial aspects get involved. It's also difficult to try to downscale such a project once it gets to a certain size. I think what Gil says has some pertinence - Miami is the only American electronic music festival of any note and that's got unfortunate associations. At least having something in Detroit is a worthwhile start. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 14:20 To: Gil Yaker Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Movement Update (Redbull, Myspace and Dieselboy) Five years? Do the math. There is, at the moment, only a 25% detroit musician presence on the posted list of artists playing With Dieselboy I think it's now dropped slightly below 25%. I'd like to know how you think James Zabiela (a DJ schooled by non other than Sasha of Sasha Digweed fame) and Benny Benassi (who's latest album Rock Rave is out on Ultra records) don't betray the roots of Detroit. Are you ok with this sort of thing? So next year if they have Pete Tong, Paul Van Dyk, and Paul Oakenfold you'd be alright with that - as long as they keep a Detroit stage. Yeah, I suppose if there's a little corner in Detroit where Detroit artists can play :-/ MEK Gil Yaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/28/2008 07:02:29 AM: I'm sure the Detroit purists won't agree, but if for some reason this festival congeals as the US's (other) large electronic music festival (besides WMC), I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I'm still scarred from the late 80s/90s when there was such strong animosity toward any kind of dance music. So getting Myspace sized visibility and year after year momentum can only be seen by me as a positive, as long as it doesn't completely betray its roots. And If I were to be completely pessimistic and assume that in 5 years whatever the festival evolves into only maintains 25% detroit musical presence, that would still be so insanely out of line with the greater dance/festival culture that I'd call it a success. - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:21:28 PM Subject: (313) Movement Update (Redbull, Myspace and Dieselboy) discuss: Detroit - May 24, 25 and 26th will bring Detroit alive with sounds from Movement 08: Detroit?s Electronic Music Festival in Hart Plaza with the Red Bull Music Academy, MySpace promotion and a higher level of production. Movement 08 also announces discounted tickets on sale now. The Red Bull Music Academy will join Movement 08 by producing a stage that reflects a broad range of musical talent from around the world. The Red Bull Music Academy Stage will replace the Pyramid Stage and include performances by: Newcleus, Egyptian Lover, Shawn Michaels, James Zabiela, Benny Bennassi, The Cool Kids,Girl Talk, DATABASS (featuring Godfather), Justin Kruse, Tech Itch and Dieselboy. Also joining this year as a media partner is the vastly popular, global online social networking site MySpace. Having grown over the previous years to become the largest online social network, MySpace is utilized by many artists and fans to connect and keep in touch with each other, adding an intimate element to the usual marketing channels. MySpace?s interest in working with the Movement Festival validates an already well known fact - Detroit?s Electronic Music Festival is an event that is continuing to grow and attract attention on a worldwide scale. After the last two years of progress and reviews the festival is getting some well deserved attention, notes festival director Jason Huvaere, there will be no question what?s happening in Detroit on Memorial Day weekend. In addition, this year?s event will increase the level of production regarding sound at the main stage and weather structures to protect attendees. Movement 08 will also bring back the underground stage, where Paxahau?s involvement in the festival began. We have taken great measures to bring the production to an even higher level, says Mike Fotias, Movement Production Manager, We understand that attendees come here expecting nothing but the best and we are determined to deliver. also there's this FREEP article http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080327/ENT04/803270434 MEK Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo. com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential
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Well with that announcement, it shows that perhaps they haven't completely gone to the darkside. So I'll wait and see if the yet to be announced additions make up for some of the wackness presented here and on the rest of the announced line-up. Now I know there's a large contingent that see most of this discussion asmindless bickering, and sometimes it is, but the bickering more often than not has good intentions. At this stage in the game we all expect more, so pardon me for having standards. jw On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: discuss: Detroit - May 24, 25 and 26th will bring Detroit alive with sounds from Movement 08: Detroit?s Electronic Music Festival in Hart Plaza with the Red Bull Music Academy, MySpace promotion and a higher level of production. Movement 08 also announces discounted tickets on sale now. The Red Bull Music Academy will join Movement 08 by producing a stage that reflects a broad range of musical talent from around the world. The Red Bull Music Academy Stage will replace the Pyramid Stage and include performances by: Newcleus, Egyptian Lover, Shawn Michaels, James Zabiela, Benny Bennassi, The Cool Kids,Girl Talk, DATABASS (featuring Godfather), Justin Kruse, Tech Itch and Dieselboy. Also joining this year as a media partner is the vastly popular, global online social networking site MySpace. Having grown over the previous years to become the largest online social network, MySpace is utilized by many artists and fans to connect and keep in touch with each other, adding an intimate element to the usual marketing channels. MySpace?s interest in working with the Movement Festival validates an already well known fact - Detroit?s Electronic Music Festival is an event that is continuing to grow and attract attention on a worldwide scale. After the last two years of progress and reviews the festival is getting some well deserved attention, notes festival director Jason Huvaere, there will be no question what?s happening in Detroit on Memorial Day weekend. In addition, this year?s event will increase the level of production regarding sound at the main stage and weather structures to protect attendees. Movement 08 will also bring back the underground stage, where Paxahau?s involvement in the festival began. We have taken great measures to bring the production to an even higher level, says Mike Fotias, Movement Production Manager, We understand that attendees come here expecting nothing but the best and we are determined to deliver. also there's this FREEP article http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080327/ENT04/803270434 MEK -- Technoir Audio http://www.technoiraudio.com dealing with your imperfect world
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Virtually any festival of any note in the last few years has grown in this manner. The first few line-ups are always amazing, and then as it grows, costs escalate and other factors concerning the future viability of the project become prominent, and as such other, more commercial aspects get involved. It's also difficult to try to downscale such a project once it gets to a certain size. everybody else is doing it is a good reason to become wack? i dont see what the problem with scaling back in order to not turn this festival into a joke is. tom
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You're not taking into account the commercial viability of this. In Europe we're lucky because a lot of festivals have considerable funding from various councils and organisations in order to get them to go ahead. The only festival I can think of that that doesn't really run according to commercial foibles is Montreux, and that's been backed from the start by rich philanthropy. Although I've not been, I don't think that is the case in Detroit. It has to be commercially viable in order to succeed in the future. Now, it may be that in say, 5 or 6 years time, the festival may be successful enough nationwide for them to realise their dreams of putting on at least in part the festival that everyone on 313 wants it to be. You may have to be patient for it to happen I'm afraid. They either put on a festival that no-one turns up to and they lose all their money on, or they pocket enough money to be able to do it next year. The fact that Paxahau are doing it I think means that those guys I'm sure will be carrying the flame for Detroit Techno all along, but it'll take time. Landscapes and crowds change - and mindsets have to as well. -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 15:05 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Movement Update (Redbull, Myspace and Dieselboy) On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Virtually any festival of any note in the last few years has grown in this manner. The first few line-ups are always amazing, and then as it grows, costs escalate and other factors concerning the future viability of the project become prominent, and as such other, more commercial aspects get involved. It's also difficult to try to downscale such a project once it gets to a certain size. everybody else is doing it is a good reason to become wack? i dont see what the problem with scaling back in order to not turn this festival into a joke is. tom For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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The fact that Paxahau are doing it I think means that those guys I'm sure will be carrying the flame for Richie Hawtin all along, but it'll take time. Landscapes and crowds change - and mindsets have to as well. fixed MEK
Re: (313) Movement Update (Redbull, Myspace and Dieselboy)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're not taking into account the commercial viability of this. In Europe we're lucky because a lot of festivals have considerable funding from various councils and organisations in order to get them to go ahead. The only festival I can think of that that doesn't really run ' according to commercial foibles is Montreux, and that's been backed from the start by rich philanthropy. see, i think this is the problem. everyone got dollar signs in their eyes due to the unexpectedly large crowds that had wildly incorrect estimates in the early years. then when they started charging and keeping the entrances gated, it became obvious that these numbers were not right. instead of scaling back to something that could be done to serve all groups of people who had been actually attending the festival (let's break it down into say the international techno crowd, ravers, and locals who might not have known much if anything about the music but came through to have a good time) and who would be likely to continue to support it, they decided to go the megarave route. now they are pushing out the other groups of people (international presence definitely seems way way way down in the past couple of years likely due to the type of lineups, the locals mostly got out when the festival got crazily expensive) at the expense of the groups LEAST likely to continue to support the festival on a regular basis: the transient fickle raver crowd. Although I've not been, I don't think that is the case in Detroit. It has to be commercially viable in order to succeed in the future. Now, it may be that in say, 5 or 6 years time, the ' festival may be successful enough nationwide for them to realise their dreams of putting on at least in part the festival that everyone on 313 wants it to be. You may have to be patient for it to happen I'm afraid. They either put on a festival that no-one turns up to and they lose all their money on, or they pocket enough money to be able to do it next year. why be patient for something that already happened to happen again? if you think this is the future of where this festival is going, i think you are sorely mistaken. the goodness of the festival already happened, and a large part of what made it so interesting has been banished. and then suddenly in 5 or 6 years when DEMF is trying to straight up compete with WMC (which is stupid anyway, why would someone go to detroit when they could go to florida instead?) why would they switch back? it doesnt make sense. this is not the route to take in order for the festival to be what it should be and has been. The fact that Paxahau are doing it I think means that those guys I'm sure will be carrying the flame for Detroit Techno all along, but it'll take time. Landscapes and crowds change - and mindsets have to as well. right. tom
(313) Movement Update (Redbull, Myspace and Dieselboy)
discuss: Detroit - May 24, 25 and 26th will bring Detroit alive with sounds from Movement 08: Detroit?s Electronic Music Festival in Hart Plaza with the Red Bull Music Academy, MySpace promotion and a higher level of production. Movement 08 also announces discounted tickets on sale now. The Red Bull Music Academy will join Movement 08 by producing a stage that reflects a broad range of musical talent from around the world. The Red Bull Music Academy Stage will replace the Pyramid Stage and include performances by: Newcleus, Egyptian Lover, Shawn Michaels, James Zabiela, Benny Bennassi, The Cool Kids,Girl Talk, DATABASS (featuring Godfather), Justin Kruse, Tech Itch and Dieselboy. Also joining this year as a media partner is the vastly popular, global online social networking site MySpace. Having grown over the previous years to become the largest online social network, MySpace is utilized by many artists and fans to connect and keep in touch with each other, adding an intimate element to the usual marketing channels. MySpace?s interest in working with the Movement Festival validates an already well known fact - Detroit?s Electronic Music Festival is an event that is continuing to grow and attract attention on a worldwide scale. After the last two years of progress and reviews the festival is getting some well deserved attention, notes festival director Jason Huvaere, there will be no question what?s happening in Detroit on Memorial Day weekend. In addition, this year?s event will increase the level of production regarding sound at the main stage and weather structures to protect attendees. Movement 08 will also bring back the underground stage, where Paxahau?s involvement in the festival began. We have taken great measures to bring the production to an even higher level, says Mike Fotias, Movement Production Manager, We understand that attendees come here expecting nothing but the best and we are determined to deliver. also there's this FREEP article http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080327/ENT04/803270434 MEK
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interesting that some of the most interesting and the absolute worst of the announced lineup will be on the RBMA stage. considering the people theyve had at their sessions, youd think that they would have better selections. myspace? deez? weakness. tmo On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: discuss: Detroit - May 24, 25 and 26th will bring Detroit alive with sounds from Movement 08: Detroit?s Electronic Music Festival in Hart Plaza with the Red Bull Music Academy, MySpace promotion and a higher level of production. Movement 08 also announces discounted tickets on sale now. The Red Bull Music Academy will join Movement 08 by producing a stage that reflects a broad range of musical talent from around the world. The Red Bull Music Academy Stage will replace the Pyramid Stage and include performances by: Newcleus, Egyptian Lover, Shawn Michaels, James Zabiela, Benny Bennassi, The Cool Kids,Girl Talk, DATABASS (featuring Godfather), Justin Kruse, Tech Itch and Dieselboy. Also joining this year as a media partner is the vastly popular, global online social networking site MySpace. Having grown over the previous years to become the largest online social network, MySpace is utilized by many artists and fans to connect and keep in touch with each other, adding an intimate element to the usual marketing channels. MySpace?s interest in working with the Movement Festival validates an already well known fact - Detroit?s Electronic Music Festival is an event that is continuing to grow and attract attention on a worldwide scale. After the last two years of progress and reviews the festival is getting some well deserved attention, notes festival director Jason Huvaere, there will be no question what?s happening in Detroit on Memorial Day weekend. In addition, this year?s event will increase the level of production regarding sound at the main stage and weather structures to protect attendees. Movement 08 will also bring back the underground stage, where Paxahau?s involvement in the festival began. We have taken great measures to bring the production to an even higher level, says Mike Fotias, Movement Production Manager, We understand that attendees come here expecting nothing but the best and we are determined to deliver. also there's this FREEP article http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080327/ENT04/803270434 MEK
