Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me [WARNING POLITICAL]

2005-02-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Okay Tosh, that's like saying it's time Americans got a new president, isn't 
it...  And a lot of Americans did try.

But rules for radio and media are set by the FCC, and the tone of their 
decision making is typically set by the administration.  This is an 
administration that believes that corporations are good, monopolies are not 
really a big deal, and any kind of government intervention in such matters 
amount to some kind of pinko communism.  Most Americans appear to believe this. 
 So Clear Channel is probably what a lot of Americans deserve.  It's framed as 
free speech, God forbid the government interfere with Clear Channel's right 
to free speech on radio waves it bought.  The USA no longer has any notion of 
public good, except for freeways so we can drive our SUV's.  There is no 
counter-philosophy in existence anymore which might challenge such thinking, or 
if there is, nobody reads about it because you won't see it in the corporate 
controlled newspaper.  

I'm taking a class with other adults on democracy right now, and almost all 
people believe that democracy and capitalism are identical.  Any vaguely 
socialist idea must have something to do with gulags.

However, when given the chance we do put lots of crazy stuff on the air waves.  
Community based radio IS the equivelant of the national radio that European 
countries have, that's why you here NPR (National Public Radio) news on the 
exact same stations that play techno or other types of adventurous programs.  
Not that NPR is so great, but that's just my opinion.  You just can't compare 
the way Europe treats media to the way America is.  Americans would never pay 
for a national radio that broadcast music most people probably hate.  
Americans don't want to find ANY kind of art via government means. 

Just remember, America is Europe's great utopian experiment!  Good work guys... 
;)

Hey at least we invented house and techno and jazz and rock and roll right?!

~David

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Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:38:40 +0100
From: Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]


You're all far too bloody defensive.  If you would defend your right to a free 
and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived slight 
against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem.  As John Osselaer 
previously said:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The set is from Switch Studios which I guess is a radio station in Brussels,
 
 
  --- That's national radio for ya. Studio Brussel is the youth channel of 
  the 
national radio. Switch runs every Friday and Saturday, I believe from 8pm till 
the early morning hours. We've had quality dance shows on national radio from 
the early nineties on (Teknoville) ...
 
  John


National radio.  One more time, national radio, which means that the entire 
country is exposed.  Granted it's a small country, probably the same size as 
the 
Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea.

National radio is more mainstream than community radio is all that I 
said. 
  I NEVER slighted community radio.  If you have proof of a counter-example 
then I'll concede.

Damn...

Anyway, then Matt got all defensive and made comments like this:

It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the 
ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming.

I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or 
BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming.

And everyone who suggests well we have community radio and the internet blah 
blah is being disingenuous, because that is a position of RETREAT, and the 
englobulators will not stop and let you have community radio and internet radio 
all to yourselves, they HAVE to grow otherwise their share price stagnates and 
they can no longer raise money from the markets, so they WILL GROW into your 
nice little world, or close your little world down.

Anyway, Matt, don't be so defensive, what you're doing is great, and you know 
it's appreciated, just by proof of the amount of support you get.  Nothing 
would 
make me happier than for you to become syndicated and available across the 
country, nationaly, but until then you're a niche within a niche, just like I 
am.

Tosh

-- 
McIntosh Cooey - Twelve Hundred Group LLC - http://www.1200group.com/


Robert Taylor wrote:
 I know lots of people over in the UK who listen to the show on the net and
 not all of them are 'heads' - I play the show in the office/library - my
 colleagues who usually listen to Audioslave and U2 appreciate it and visitors
 to the library ask what's playing so regularly that maybe I should get a 'now
 playing' sign to put on the hatch!
 
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Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me [WARNING POLITICAL]

2005-02-09 Thread Tosh Cooey

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


But rules for radio and media are set by the FCC, and the tone of their
decision making is typically set by the administration.  This is an
administration that believes that corporations are good, monopolies are not
really a big deal, and any kind of government intervention in such matters
amount to some kind of pinko communism.



-- I definately don't want to defend the current administration, but actually 
ClearChannel hasn't become what it is ONLY in the last five years.




Hey at least we invented house and techno and jazz and rock and roll right?!


Now this is something that bugs me.  Some Europeans will often say America has 
no culture.


But what do Europeans watch on TeeVee, at the movies, the music they listen to, 
much of modern minimalist art, AOL, etc. etc. etc.


I always have to correct them by saying that actually America doesn't have a 
lot of *traditions* or *history*, relatively, but they export culture like 
nobody ever has.


Fxcking ponces.

Tosh


Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me [WARNING POLITICAL]

2005-02-09 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




You just can't compare the way Europe treats media to the way America is.
Americans would never pay for a national radio that broadcast music most
people probably hate.
Americans don't want to find ANY kind of art via government means.

America is quite hostile to artists and the arts in general. The general US
public doesn't trust intelligent people (or those they perceive to be more
intelligent than themselves).
Europe is very different and maybe the polar opposite. Might be one of the
reasons techno is so popular in Europe.

MEK



RE: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me [WARNING POLITICAL]

2005-02-09 Thread Robert Taylor
I don't think any Europeans have said there is no culture in the US anyhow.
Both Europeans and American enjoy a symbiotic relationship in this respect - a 
cultural cross-pollination where ideas and innovation flow here and there - 
someone in America innovates in an art form, sends it over to Europe, they f*** 
with it and send it back, and so on and so forth.
Let's not get into a willy-waving contest about 'who's the most cultured'

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You just can't compare the way Europe treats media to the way America is.
Americans would never pay for a national radio that broadcast music most
people probably hate.
Americans don't want to find ANY kind of art via government means.

America is quite hostile to artists and the arts in general. The general US
public doesn't trust intelligent people (or those they perceive to be more
intelligent than themselves).
Europe is very different and maybe the polar opposite. Might be one of the
reasons techno is so popular in Europe.

MEK

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Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me [WARNING POLITICAL]

2005-02-09 Thread Jason Brunton




hi


Europe treats media to the way America is.  Americans would never pay 
for a national radio that broadcast music most people probably hate. 
 Americans don't want to find ANY kind of art via government means.


I'm not sure publicly funded broadcasts would get off the ground if 
they were being launched NOW, it's just a case that most people have 
grown up with them and accept them (in many cases as a neccessary evil 
they can't avoid like Income Taxes)





Just remember, America is Europe's great utopian experiment!  Good 
work guys... ;)


eh...thanks


Jason