FW: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads
> -Original Message- > From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 June 2005 18:30 > > > obviously. if you're doing a CD and record, you have to > master your > > tracks twice, because mastering to CD and vinyl are two vastly > > different things. in this way, I prefer digital, because you're > > having to master your way around the limitations of the vinyl > > that's true joe, i think people like the way that sounds > though. that's why people say "oooh i love the way vinyl > sounds all warm" and such (myself included :) ). > > robin... research (some we've done at my place of work included) has shown this to be very much the case and lots of what people perceive as being the "harsher" sound of digital just being the highs still present that vinyl leaves out.
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obviously. if you're doing a CD and record, you have to master your tracks twice, because mastering to CD and vinyl are two vastly different things. in this way, I prefer digital, because you're having to master your way around the limitations of the vinyl that's true joe, i think people like the way that sounds though. that's why people say "oooh i love the way vinyl sounds all warm" and such (myself included :) ). robin...
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obviously. if you're doing a CD and record, you have to master your tracks twice, because mastering to CD and vinyl are two vastly different things. in this way, I prefer digital, because you're having to master your way around the limitations of the vinyl -Joe > > From: David Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/06/24 Fri PM 12:30:47 EDT > To: robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Org <313@hyperreal.org> > Subject: Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads > > Yes, recently playing at a little house party, what I noticed was that > playing direct off my laptop has a different tone quality - basically, > there are a lot more highs present on the laptop tracks than on the > vinyl. It easy easy enough to EQ the sound system a little so that the > laptop sounds more in line with the vinyl playing previously, but if you > switch straight out you will hear a definite difference, not really in > resolution but all the highs can make the digital sound a little bright > if the sound is tweaked specifically for vinyl. Again though, twist a > couple knobs and this can easily be corrected. > > ~David > > robin wrote: > > >> May I be annoying, and raise a technical point here? > >> > >> Digitalised music is always an "approximation", so I prefer to stick > >> with "the real thing" and keep my vinyl. > >> In a decent sound system anyone can tell the difference when > >> comparing the "real thing" with .wav, .mp3 or any other standard > >> digital format... > > > > > > i used to think like that guilherme. thing is tho i've not met a dj > > yet who knows how to drive the levels properly on a dj mixer (and once > > one dj in a night pushes those levels into the red all that follow > > more or less have to do the same) and almost all club PA's are pretty > > poor quality. > > > > i also think that people's ears are trained to hear vinyl specific > > mastering. if someone plays something digitally that's been mastered > > for that media (off a cd for example) the sound is definitely > > different. i prefer my own recorded off vinyl files for that reason. > > > > robin... > > >
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Yes, recently playing at a little house party, what I noticed was that playing direct off my laptop has a different tone quality - basically, there are a lot more highs present on the laptop tracks than on the vinyl. It easy easy enough to EQ the sound system a little so that the laptop sounds more in line with the vinyl playing previously, but if you switch straight out you will hear a definite difference, not really in resolution but all the highs can make the digital sound a little bright if the sound is tweaked specifically for vinyl. Again though, twist a couple knobs and this can easily be corrected. ~David robin wrote: May I be annoying, and raise a technical point here? Digitalised music is always an "approximation", so I prefer to stick with "the real thing" and keep my vinyl. In a decent sound system anyone can tell the difference when comparing the "real thing" with .wav, .mp3 or any other standard digital format... i used to think like that guilherme. thing is tho i've not met a dj yet who knows how to drive the levels properly on a dj mixer (and once one dj in a night pushes those levels into the red all that follow more or less have to do the same) and almost all club PA's are pretty poor quality. i also think that people's ears are trained to hear vinyl specific mastering. if someone plays something digitally that's been mastered for that media (off a cd for example) the sound is definitely different. i prefer my own recorded off vinyl files for that reason. robin...
RE: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads
-Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 June 2005 00:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads no club or venue has a system that will allow the lsitener (outside of the lack of record noise) to differentiate between a 320k mp3 and a record. if there is one, I'd like to go there and enjoy some 320k mp3s You could try The Shelter in NYC, Plastic People in London and even Fabric in London also. If you'd been around at the time, The Paradise Garage might also have surprised you, according to legend. K Ken Odeluga Copy Editor, Markets - Market Talk Dow Jones Newswires 10 Fleet Place Limeburner Lane LONDON EC4M 7QN 020 7842 9297 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But I almost always buy records because of the music, barely have in mind the club/DJ tool concept, and 98% of the time I am listenin to them in my home stereo. So it is important they sound good there. yeah fair point. me too. my home setup is even worse tho :) i also think that people's ears are trained to hear vinyl specific mastering. if someone plays something digitally that's been mastered for that media (off a cd for example) the sound is definitely different. i prefer my own recorded off vinyl files for that reason. Yes, that was my question. You still need a good source (vinyl) to digitalise from, and in my experience 16/44 does result in considerable degradation of the sound (comparing to the vinyl source), specially for less processed funk, jazz, etc... yeah it's the compression people put on CDs that amazes me. if you pull up the waveform of a track off a cd it's almost always 'crushed' with some sort of compression. the 16/44 thing is nothing compared to that imo. anyway, i guess we're way off-topic now. :) robin...
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On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 09:55:50AM +0100, robin wrote: > >May I be annoying, and raise a technical point here? > > > >Digitalised music is always an "approximation", so I prefer to stick > >with "the real thing" and keep my vinyl. > >In a decent sound system anyone can tell the difference when > >comparing the "real thing" with .wav, .mp3 or any other standard > >digital format... > > i used to think like that guilherme. thing is tho i've not met a dj yet > who knows how to drive the levels properly on a dj mixer (and once one > dj in a night pushes those levels into the red all that follow more or > less have to do the same) and almost all club PA's are pretty poor > quality. I agree 100% with all you guys said about club/dj sound systems. It is the glass window comparison... But I almost always buy records because of the music, barely have in mind the club/DJ tool concept, and 98% of the time I am listenin to them in my home stereo. So it is important they sound good there. > i also think that people's ears are trained to hear vinyl specific > mastering. if someone plays something digitally that's been mastered > for that media (off a cd for example) the sound is definitely > different. i prefer my own recorded off vinyl files for that reason. Yes, that was my question. You still need a good source (vinyl) to digitalise from, and in my experience 16/44 does result in considerable degradation of the sound (comparing to the vinyl source), specially for less processed funk, jazz, etc... G ---
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hi guilherme, i have never tried this way, i usually just digitalise in 320kbit/44100 Hz what is the result you want to obtain? a higher definition of sound? you might want to try FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec - http://flac.sourceforge.net/) fab. - Original Message - From: "Guilherme Menegon Arantes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 12:43 AM Subject: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads May I be annoying, and raise a technical point here? Digitalised music is always an "approximation", so I prefer to stick with "the real thing" and keep my vinyl. In a decent sound system anyone can tell the difference when comparing the "real thing" with .wav, .mp3 or any other standard digital format... I am planning to digitalise some vinyl in 24bit/96KHz (or higher) to see if this is a better solution. Anyone had experience with this? Fab? G -- On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 08:42:14PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:02:39 +0200 To: <313@hyperreal.org> From: "fab." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: (313) legit mp3 downloads (artists get PAID)? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's why i have embraked on the gargantuan task of ripping all my vinyl to mp3 - digital files ARE easier to use, although for me there is nothing like vinyl. the sound, the feel, the smelland the packaging.
Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads
May I be annoying, and raise a technical point here? Digitalised music is always an "approximation", so I prefer to stick with "the real thing" and keep my vinyl. In a decent sound system anyone can tell the difference when comparing the "real thing" with .wav, .mp3 or any other standard digital format... i used to think like that guilherme. thing is tho i've not met a dj yet who knows how to drive the levels properly on a dj mixer (and once one dj in a night pushes those levels into the red all that follow more or less have to do the same) and almost all club PA's are pretty poor quality. i also think that people's ears are trained to hear vinyl specific mastering. if someone plays something digitally that's been mastered for that media (off a cd for example) the sound is definitely different. i prefer my own recorded off vinyl files for that reason. robin...
FW: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads
> -Original Message- > From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 June 2005 02:02 > > wasn't mastering to cheapo cassette one of the basic channel > "Secrets"? Interesting that - I knew of quite a few people who did it but didn't know of they did. For definite? On all records or just a few? Reason I think it interesting is how dope that stuff sounds coming straight off Scion's laptops (and to a certain extent, though not quite as much, on the CD of this) - something I'd always put down to it being straight high quality digital direct to the system. Wonder if they use the records digitised and it sounds so dynamic as they're putting loads of effects on or if they have bits and pieces from earlier in the process of the records creation? Anyway they make the best argument for using Ableton I've heard!
FW: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads
> -Original Message- > From: z66 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 June 2005 01:33 > > Tim Moore wrote: > > *Everything* is an approximation! I'm pretty sure those pops and > > crackles weren't on the master! ;-) > > exactly! and vinyl master also got its restrictions.. > although i really dig the sound of cut grooves as well as > that on thick chrome tapes -- you can even record your MP3 on > good quality analog tape and feel the difference! Hear hear! (Friday gag) z and Tim. Different types of reproduction all distort the original sound - just in different ways. Guilherme - consider yourself trounced. Or if you wish we can continue this one in person next week - in sunny Greece!!! (I'm excited in case you can't tell).
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hahahahahaha not much of a secret. I like how one mans ghetto recording scheme becomes another mans secret weapon. - Original Message - From: "Matt Kane's Brain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "z66" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:01 PM Subject: Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads wasn't mastering to cheapo cassette one of the basic channel "Secrets"? On Jun 23, 2005, at 20:56, /0 wrote: funny you mention this... I used to dump tracks to VCR tapes. sometimes you get the head flutter which is kinda nice :) -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005
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wasn't mastering to cheapo cassette one of the basic channel "Secrets"? On Jun 23, 2005, at 20:56, /0 wrote: funny you mention this... I used to dump tracks to VCR tapes. sometimes you get the head flutter which is kinda nice :) -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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funny you mention this... I used to dump tracks to VCR tapes. sometimes you get the head flutter which is kinda nice :) -Joe - Original Message - From: "z66" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads Tim Moore wrote: *Everything* is an approximation! I'm pretty sure those pops and crackles weren't on the master! ;-) exactly! and vinyl master also got its restrictions.. although i really dig the sound of cut grooves as well as that on thick chrome tapes -- you can even record your MP3 on good quality analog tape and feel the difference! that said, i can well enjoy good musik coming from any source and being replayed on any soundsystem [it's different with production tho'] ///Z -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005
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Tim Moore wrote: *Everything* is an approximation! I'm pretty sure those pops and crackles weren't on the master! ;-) exactly! and vinyl master also got its restrictions.. although i really dig the sound of cut grooves as well as that on thick chrome tapes -- you can even record your MP3 on good quality analog tape and feel the difference! that said, i can well enjoy good musik coming from any source and being replayed on any soundsystem [it's different with production tho'] ///Z
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*Everything* is an approximation! I'm pretty sure those pops and crackles weren't on the master! ;-) On Jun 23, 2005, at 3:43 PM, Guilherme Menegon Arantes wrote: May I be annoying, and raise a technical point here? Digitalised music is always an "approximation", so I prefer to stick with "the real thing" and keep my vinyl. In a decent sound system anyone can tell the difference when comparing the "real thing" with .wav, .mp3 or any other standard digital format... I am planning to digitalise some vinyl in 24bit/96KHz (or higher) to see if this is a better solution. Anyone had experience with this? Fab? G -- On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 08:42:14PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:02:39 +0200 To: <313@hyperreal.org> From: "fab." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: (313) legit mp3 downloads (artists get PAID)? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's why i have embraked on the gargantuan task of ripping all my vinyl to mp3 - digital files ARE easier to use, although for me there is nothing like vinyl. the sound, the feel, the smelland the packaging. -- Tim Moore
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no club or venue has a system that will allow the lsitener (outside of the lack of record noise) to differentiate between a 320k mp3 and a record. if there is one, I'd like to go there and enjoy some 320k mp3s - Original Message - From: "Guilherme Menegon Arantes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 6:43 PM Subject: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads May I be annoying, and raise a technical point here? Digitalised music is always an "approximation", so I prefer to stick with "the real thing" and keep my vinyl. In a decent sound system anyone can tell the difference when comparing the "real thing" with .wav, .mp3 or any other standard digital format... I am planning to digitalise some vinyl in 24bit/96KHz (or higher) to see if this is a better solution. Anyone had experience with this? Fab? G -- On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 08:42:14PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:02:39 +0200 To: <313@hyperreal.org> From: "fab." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: (313) legit mp3 downloads (artists get PAID)? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's why i have embraked on the gargantuan task of ripping all my vinyl to mp3 - digital files ARE easier to use, although for me there is nothing like vinyl. the sound, the feel, the smelland the packaging. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005
(313) Re: legit mp3 downloads
May I be annoying, and raise a technical point here? Digitalised music is always an "approximation", so I prefer to stick with "the real thing" and keep my vinyl. In a decent sound system anyone can tell the difference when comparing the "real thing" with .wav, .mp3 or any other standard digital format... I am planning to digitalise some vinyl in 24bit/96KHz (or higher) to see if this is a better solution. Anyone had experience with this? Fab? G -- On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 08:42:14PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:02:39 +0200 To: <313@hyperreal.org> From: "fab." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: (313) legit mp3 downloads (artists get PAID)? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's why i have embraked on the gargantuan task of ripping all my vinyl to mp3 - digital files ARE easier to use, although for me there is nothing like vinyl. the sound, the feel, the smelland the packaging.
