(313) discussion means...

2004-02-16 Thread diana potts
 I have to pipe up. jeepers.

 The one thing that I feel has happened to this list
over the years is that it's gone from people
*discussing* their different point of views to people
pounding down their * I HEART DETROIT TECHNO MORE THAN
YOU * hammers. 

 I remember when i first joined this list almost
(christ) 5yrs ago? and peopled discussed history,
records etc.I learned so much. This list was
fundamental laying the ground of my music education.
 I've observed the list go from this ideology to
Listen to me because I KNOW! followed by two snaps
up in the air and a chickenhead twist of the neck.

 Progress only comes from discussion, from listening
to different points of views, digesting, thinking and
then thinking out back again. An intellectual
breathing process if you will. We always seem to come
back to discussions about detroit's past and never
really dive into its possible future.It's the young
talent of detroit that's making it breathe and stay
alive right now and they don't get two seconds air
time on this list, IMO.Why? In my opinion Atomly has a
point, the list has an endless cylce.

 Atomly is part of this list,and has been for a long
time and as so, his views should of been digested, not
attacked so personally. This discussion got way too
out of hand and way too personal *IMO*.

 I am one of those people who said 'i agree with you'
off list in fear that posts that don't seem to comply
with 'a detroit event/dj/product is flawless' are
attacked. so attack me please. maybe i can end this
crack binge that i refer to as the 313 list.There are
so many different ways to look at this festival, so
many different global perspectives exist on this list.
Please keep that in mind when discussing things like
_adults_.


*burp*
as we used to say...flame on

diana

np:my weak beats your year, TTA, Map of What is
Effortless
 

--- atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Nice post, chief.
 
 Have a good one.
 
 [Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  -- Original Message
 --
  From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  Well, I think you're wrong, but whatever, it's
 not worth arguing 
  about.
  Nothing on this list is worth arguing about,
 because every time I 
  try I
  get a bunch of responses from people saying the
 same thing over 
  and over
  because they don't understand the point I'm
 trying to make and 
  then get
  a bunch of personal replies from people off list
 saying I 
  agree.  It's
  like shouting at a wall.
  
  your opinion is about doing something youve
 never had any 
  experience doing. i dont know what to say about
 that really. how 
  many free festivals have you thrown with hundreds
 of thousands of 
  attendees? sh*t, have you done ANYTHING even CLOSE
 to that scale 
  of things? the number of things that could
 potentially happen in 
  planning something like this boggles the mind. for
 you to sit 
  there and make comments about their ability to
 pull it off when 
  you couldnt even begin to do so yourself is
 absolutely useless. if 
  you were an organizer of say the love parade in
 berlin perhaps 
  your opinion would be worthwhile. in the meantime
 youre just a 
  critic mouthing off from the peanut gallery. 
  
  I'm not trying to piss people off, I'm just
 stating my opinion. 
  
  clarify that: your unqualified opinion. 
  
  I think
  the festivals in 2000 and 2001 were some of the
 best lineups ever 
  booked
  in North America and were diverse enough and
 groundbreaking 
  enough to
  draw in people from all over the continent and
 even the world.  
  Since
  then, though, I feel like the festival has
 shifted its focus from 
  the
  groundbreaking and forward-thinking to the
 nostalgiac and 
  established.
  
  yeah, last year it shifted fosuc to people from
 detroit. what a 
  novel concept considering the fact that it is the
 detroit 
  electronic music festival. really, if you thought
 last year's 
  lineup of up and coming people alongside some of
 the most 
  influential cats in the business doesnt stand up
 to the past 
  lineups, i dont know what to say. 
  
  Anyway, enough.  If you wanna go to DEMF, have
 fun.  I want 
  Furthur
  back.
  
  rave on. 
  
  tom 
  
 


  andythepooh.com
  
  
   
 
 
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Re: (313) discussion means...

2004-02-16 Thread dan

hear hear!

At 03:39 pm -0800 16/2/04, diana potts wrote:

 I have to pipe up. jeepers.

 The one thing that I feel has happened to this list
over the years is that it's gone from people
*discussing* their different point of views to people
pounding down their * I HEART DETROIT TECHNO MORE THAN
YOU * hammers.

 I remember when i first joined this list almost
(christ) 5yrs ago? and peopled discussed history,
records etc.I learned so much. This list was
fundamental laying the ground of my music education.
 I've observed the list go from this ideology to
Listen to me because I KNOW! followed by two snaps
up in the air and a chickenhead twist of the neck.

 Progress only comes from discussion, from listening
to different points of views, digesting, thinking and
then thinking out back again. An intellectual
breathing process if you will. We always seem to come
back to discussions about detroit's past and never
really dive into its possible future.It's the young
talent of detroit that's making it breathe and stay
alive right now and they don't get two seconds air
time on this list, IMO.Why? In my opinion Atomly has a
point, the list has an endless cylce.

 Atomly is part of this list,and has been for a long
time and as so, his views should of been digested, not
attacked so personally. This discussion got way too
out of hand and way too personal *IMO*.

 I am one of those people who said 'i agree with you'
off list in fear that posts that don't seem to comply
with 'a detroit event/dj/product is flawless' are
attacked. so attack me please. maybe i can end this
crack binge that i refer to as the 313 list.There are
so many different ways to look at this festival, so
many different global perspectives exist on this list.
Please keep that in mind when discussing things like
_adults_.


*burp*
as we used to say...flame on

diana

np:my weak beats your year, TTA, Map of What is
Effortless


--- atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nice post, chief.

 Have a good one.

 [Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  -- Original Message
 --
  From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Well, I think you're wrong, but whatever, it's
 not worth arguing
  about.
  Nothing on this list is worth arguing about,
 because every time I
  try I
  get a bunch of responses from people saying the
 same thing over
  and over
  because they don't understand the point I'm
 trying to make and
  then get
  a bunch of personal replies from people off list
 saying I
  agree.  It's
  like shouting at a wall.
 
  your opinion is about doing something youve
 never had any
  experience doing. i dont know what to say about
 that really. how
  many free festivals have you thrown with hundreds
 of thousands of
  attendees? sh*t, have you done ANYTHING even CLOSE
 to that scale
  of things? the number of things that could
 potentially happen in
  planning something like this boggles the mind. for
 you to sit
  there and make comments about their ability to
 pull it off when
  you couldnt even begin to do so yourself is
 absolutely useless. if
  you were an organizer of say the love parade in
 berlin perhaps
  your opinion would be worthwhile. in the meantime
 youre just a
  critic mouthing off from the peanut gallery.
 
  I'm not trying to piss people off, I'm just
 stating my opinion.
 
  clarify that: your unqualified opinion.
 
  I think
  the festivals in 2000 and 2001 were some of the
 best lineups ever
  booked
  in North America and were diverse enough and
 groundbreaking
  enough to
  draw in people from all over the continent and
 even the world. 
  Since

  then, though, I feel like the festival has
 shifted its focus from
  the
  groundbreaking and forward-thinking to the
 nostalgiac and
  established.
 
  yeah, last year it shifted fosuc to people from

  detroit. what a

  novel concept considering the fact that it is the
 detroit
  electronic music festival. really, if you thought
 last year's
  lineup of up and coming people alongside some of
 the most
  influential cats in the business doesnt stand up
 to the past
  lineups, i dont know what to say.
 
  Anyway, enough.  If you wanna go to DEMF, have
 fun.  I want
  Furthur
  back.
 
  rave on.
 
  tom
 
 




  andythepooh.com
 
 
  



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