[313] Surgeon tone-shifting
In a message dated 28/09/00 4:01:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Remember in Modulations, when I think Saunderson said that techno was the only way out, the only escape of such a desolate city? Well, everyone usually feels trapped somehow in some manner (if not, your probably an artist!! LOL!!), and techno was created to alleviate that feeling of being ultimately controlled... I also think that tonshifts have something to do with tribalism, and the creation of very mystical moments, for the repetition of the tribal dance sounds strange and powerful to them, and being primitive, their only option is a God who creates these magical sounds... I believe this tone-shift theory is just another way of interpreting the interaction between ecstasy and repetitive music - the actual 'trance' that techno music embodies itself through its tribal origins. This 'mystical experience' whether or not through extraneous assistance is central to the mind releasing itself into the 'singularity' that can be translated into this 'vibe' that is talked about. Personally I have felt this through the process of extensive listening to minimal techno music. The essence is within the rhythm, the key is in the dance - Its liberating and often addictive. That's why we love the music and this dance that transcends our perception. A_Zed
RE: [313] Surgeon tone-shifting
Talking about which... some time ago I let an interesting thread slip through, the one about tone-shifting - on Surgeon's Balance, one of my favourite tracks remain Circles - one of the simplest things I've ever heard, just a pounding, heavy percussive line with an alarm bell-like sound increasing and decreasing in volume on top of it... would that qualify for tone-shifting music ? Gwendal -Original Message- From: Myke Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Surgeon Hey all, just thought I'd try and spark a little discussion here. I was going through some of my old vinyl and pulled out Surgeon's 'Comunication' album on Downwards from '96. DAMN, that's a KILLER album that I don't think I've heard anyone talk about yet. All tracks on this album are worthy of play. Wish he would do some work these days with that older feel to it, I love that stuff. Speaking of Surgeon albums, besides that and 'Basictonalvocabulary' has he released any other LP's?? Anyways Anthony Childs should be held up there with the Techno greats in my opinion. Pieces. MM __ ___ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Surgeon tone-shifting
Toneshifting (one word, for aesthetic reasons) is not a style, it is a result... But generally, it only occurs with highly repetitive techno for anything complex or melodic becomes an oppressive agent... Simply put (I have to get to class), toneshifting is when the listener projects his/her own melody onto the repetition, rather then the music project out to the listener. The track, as simple as can be is merely a vehicle for whatever is in the listeners head, a compromise between the artist and the listener, a truly interactive music (and I contend a relative first in modern popular music)... The reason for the term toneshift is that the general trend amongst listeners is to change a monotonous single repeating tone or rhythm into a major/minor note shift, usually occurring in 2 bar patterns... sorry about the laymen's music terms... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - Original Message - From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 7:30 AM Subject: RE: [313] Surgeon tone-shifting Talking about which... some time ago I let an interesting thread slip through, the one about tone-shifting - on Surgeon's Balance, one of my favourite tracks remain Circles - one of the simplest things I've ever heard, just a pounding, heavy percussive line with an alarm bell-like sound increasing and decreasing in volume on top of it... would that qualify for tone-shifting music ? Gwendal -Original Message- From: Myke Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Surgeon Hey all, just thought I'd try and spark a little discussion here. I was going through some of my old vinyl and pulled out Surgeon's 'Comunication' album on Downwards from '96. DAMN, that's a KILLER album that I don't think I've heard anyone talk about yet. All tracks on this album are worthy of play. Wish he would do some work these days with that older feel to it, I love that stuff. Speaking of Surgeon albums, besides that and 'Basictonalvocabulary' has he released any other LP's?? Anyways Anthony Childs should be held up there with the Techno greats in my opinion. Pieces. MM __ ___ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Surgeon tone-shifting
More on the ambient tip...but if you're interested in seeing how toneshifting can trick you into thinking something is there that isn't, take a listen to Steve Reich's It's gonna rain. Reich was an early experimental/ambient musician that would sometimes take spoken word stuff and chop it up into really repetitive segments..but in a very subtle way. Anyway, the repetitiveness starts to get ingrained in your head and before long, you start fogetting you are hearing words and they start to take on a more percussive nature. There are no fancy effects or anything, just repetitive speech which your mind starts to interpret as something different. It's very cool stuff...definitely bringing out a unique feature of our mind, but you can't really shake your ass to it like you can with the Surgeon =] t o double d set.go.recordings -Original Message- From: darw_n [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 1:39 PM To: Gwendal Cobert; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Surgeon tone-shifting Toneshifting (one word, for aesthetic reasons) is not a style, it is a result... But generally, it only occurs with highly repetitive techno for anything complex or melodic becomes an oppressive agent... Simply put (I have to get to class), toneshifting is when the listener projects his/her own melody onto the repetition, rather then the music project out to the listener. The track, as simple as can be is merely a vehicle for whatever is in the listeners head, a compromise between the artist and the listener, a truly interactive music (and I contend a relative first in modern popular music)... The reason for the term toneshift is that the general trend amongst listeners is to change a monotonous single repeating tone or rhythm into a major/minor note shift, usually occurring in 2 bar patterns... sorry about the laymen's music terms... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - Original Message - From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 7:30 AM Subject: RE: [313] Surgeon tone-shifting Talking about which... some time ago I let an interesting thread slip through, the one about tone-shifting - on Surgeon's Balance, one of my favourite tracks remain Circles - one of the simplest things I've ever heard, just a pounding, heavy percussive line with an alarm bell-like sound increasing and decreasing in volume on top of it... would that qualify for tone-shifting music ? Gwendal -Original Message- From: Myke Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Surgeon Hey all, just thought I'd try and spark a little discussion here. I was going through some of my old vinyl and pulled out Surgeon's 'Comunication' album on Downwards from '96. DAMN, that's a KILLER album that I don't think I've heard anyone talk about yet. All tracks on this album are worthy of play. Wish he would do some work these days with that older feel to it, I love that stuff. Speaking of Surgeon albums, besides that and 'Basictonalvocabulary' has he released any other LP's?? Anyways Anthony Childs should be held up there with the Techno greats in my opinion. Pieces. MM __ ___ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Surgeon tone-shifting
Gwendel wrote: Talking about which... some time ago I let an interesting thread slip through, the one about tone-shifting... Darw_n wrote: Toneshifting (one word, for aesthetic reasons) is not a style, it is a result... But generally, it only occurs with highly repetitive techno for anything complex or melodic becomes an oppressive agent... Simply put, toneshifting is when the listener projects his/her own melody onto the repetition, rather then the music project out to the listener. ie. When you're bored... the mind begins to wander. :) ~Askew _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: [313] Surgeon tone-shifting
toneshifting... It's very cool stuff...definitely bringing out a unique feature of our mind, but you can't really shake your ass to it like you can with the Surgeon =] t o double d set.go.recordings ++ this discussion is really beginning to tire me, but the following just occurred to me: when you reach a certain amount of feet under water, only a small portion of the spectrum of light penetrates. effectively you can only physically see black and white, because the other colors are not present. nevertheless, you perceive color because your brain inserts color where there is none in order to bring your environment more in line with what it thinks it should be... it seems plausible that toneshifting is merely the audio equivalent of this process. in a stark environment (in this case, with very few sounds, rather than few colors) the brain attempts to insert melody because that is what it thinks should be there. perhaps an effort to maintain balance or status quo, familiarity, normalcy, etc. blah, blah... h
