Re: [313] D sux T
That's exactly what the t-shirt means. I remember punks who used to wear swastikas... not because they believed in Nazi ideology but because it flew in the face of society's norms. MEK From: Charles Prince [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The [Quad] [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] D sux T Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 01:04:43 -0500 Yeah...that was kind of weird, especially considering the Bangs character was dancing round the radio studio to 'Raw Power'. I think it's a context thing: the same rage that fuelled the MC5 Iggy The Stooges to react with extreme sonic violence against the white-bread conformity of their culture, made that t-shirt a rebellious gesture. Sort of proto-punk, 1973-style I'm So Bored With the USA (remember Bangs toured with The Clash). Bangs, like Lou Reed Iggy, was one of the first punks. You'd have to ask Oscar-winner Cameron Crowe for the real lowdown, but that's my take. The shirt isn't anti-Detroit music or bands, but just the opposite: anti-society, anti-'roll over like a good puppy' consumerism, anti-mindless complaceny...the Bangs equivalent to Search Destroy. He's siding with Stooges in their war against normalcy. Bangs was a great rock writer, but not infallible. Has anyone ever read the notorious hatchet-job he did on Kraftwerk? I think he heard saw the future couldn't handle it. He started having nightmares about robots technoid automatons taking over the world. Maybe the car-building robots of the Detroit auto factories haunted him he saw The Stooge's maniacal rock 'n roll energy gloriously undisciplined approach as the antidote to regimented beats. I mean, could you ever imagine Kraftwerk writing a song entitled Loose? Wes On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, The [Quad] wrote: Wait a sec..!.. while I connect! (just saw 'Almost Famous' was inspired by the portrayal of Lester Bangs...now there was a man with integrity). This has only a tangential relation to Detroit techno. ... me too... but can you ( or anyone else reading ) explain the significance in the wearing of the Detroit Sucks t-shirt..? n.p.: Rockers on da DVD, J. E. v.F-B. B. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
D sux T
Wait a sec..!.. while I connect! (just saw 'Almost Famous' was inspired by the portrayal of Lester Bangs...now there was a man with integrity). This has only a tangential relation to Detroit techno. ... me too... but can you ( or anyone else reading ) explain the significance in the wearing of the Detroit Sucks t-shirt..? n.p.: Rockers on da DVD, J. E. v.F-B. B.
Re: [313] D sux T
Yeah...that was kind of weird, especially considering the Bangs character was dancing round the radio studio to 'Raw Power'. I think it's a context thing: the same rage that fuelled the MC5 Iggy The Stooges to react with extreme sonic violence against the white-bread conformity of their culture, made that t-shirt a rebellious gesture. Sort of proto-punk, 1973-style I'm So Bored With the USA (remember Bangs toured with The Clash). Bangs, like Lou Reed Iggy, was one of the first punks. You'd have to ask Oscar-winner Cameron Crowe for the real lowdown, but that's my take. The shirt isn't anti-Detroit music or bands, but just the opposite: anti-society, anti-'roll over like a good puppy' consumerism, anti-mindless complaceny...the Bangs equivalent to Search Destroy. He's siding with Stooges in their war against normalcy. Bangs was a great rock writer, but not infallible. Has anyone ever read the notorious hatchet-job he did on Kraftwerk? I think he heard saw the future couldn't handle it. He started having nightmares about robots technoid automatons taking over the world. Maybe the car-building robots of the Detroit auto factories haunted him he saw The Stooge's maniacal rock 'n roll energy gloriously undisciplined approach as the antidote to regimented beats. I mean, could you ever imagine Kraftwerk writing a song entitled Loose? Wes On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, The [Quad] wrote: Wait a sec..!.. while I connect! (just saw 'Almost Famous' was inspired by the portrayal of Lester Bangs...now there was a man with integrity). This has only a tangential relation to Detroit techno. ... me too... but can you ( or anyone else reading ) explain the significance in the wearing of the Detroit Sucks t-shirt..? n.p.: Rockers on da DVD, J. E. v.F-B. B. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] D sux T
on 3/25/01 10:38 PM, The [Quad] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... me too... but can you ( or anyone else reading ) explain the significance in the wearing of the Detroit Sucks t-shirt..? One completely subjective opinion. At the time Detroit was representative (to entitled upper middle class white America) of everything that was wrong with the country--riots, flight to the suburbs, racial tension, expressways, ghettos, declining (to the whites) urban cores. I think Lester Bangs, so obviously into Iggy and the MC5, was wearing it in a state of irony, to use a totally pretentious term. He was distancing himself from everything he thought was boring, aged, white, hippie, and by that time, mainstream. Crosby Stills and Nash had given birth to The Eagles by then and even though Detroit sucked, it didn't suck as bad as the Eagles. j
