Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
derrick played killabite the last few times i saw him (to great effect) so i dont think he means dj tools per say On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 02:33 PM, spw wrote: First of all the original quote was not "unfinished tracks" that's someone else's interpretation. A finished track is what sounds complete to you, whether it be DJ Tools oriented music, minimalism, or more traditional song structure music. on 5/20/03 9:19 AM, Odeluga, Ken at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also could it be that many producers release "infinished tracks" so that the idea can be completed by the dj? justa thought. I thought exactly the same thing Robin, although I was a bit wary abt going up against the wisdom of May and Atkins - that's not meant ironically at all. I respect them and their opinions 100%, although I might disagree. That point is a difficult one. A bit of a dilemma: On the one hand part of the attraction of the music we're into *is* it's very 'imperfection' on any number of fronts, on sound quality; structurally; production. Imperfections whether intentional or unintentional can add almost a magical quality to a piece of music *heard in the right context*. The same could especially be said (imho) about Derrick May's own work - I mean basically, during the era in which he did his only non-collaborative work (no offence intended in that, it's just a fact that it was a while ago) electronic music sounded what could be called 'unfinished' or put more politely, 'minimal'. And then there is Robin's point about the sketchiness of some productions being quite necessary if the music is going to be programmed with other tracks ... However, I can definitely see the point about some things being quite patently thrown together (or seeming to be) and that point where minimal becomes just downright lazy, unimaginative, or dare I say it - a display of a *lack* of talent rather than display of talent. It would be helpful though to know what tracks May had in mind when he made that statement (but of course we never will), 'cause in the last 6 months I've heard a great deal of quality music coming from Detroit and coming from everywhere. I've heard some mediocre house, techno, broken beat, etc etc too, but not as much good stuff - which you do have to seek out if you want to overwhelm what would seem like a stream (but not a deluge) of cack - that being a crucial point! Nothing different in that today compared to ten years ago. (mho.) k
Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
First of all the original quote was not "unfinished tracks" that's someone else's interpretation. A finished track is what sounds complete to you, whether it be DJ Tools oriented music, minimalism, or more traditional song structure music. on 5/20/03 9:19 AM, Odeluga, Ken at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> also could it be that many producers release "infinished tracks" so that >> the idea can be completed by the dj? justa thought. > > I thought exactly the same thing Robin, although I was a bit wary abt going > up against the wisdom of May and Atkins - that's not meant ironically at > all. I respect them and their opinions 100%, although I might disagree. > > That point is a difficult one. A bit of a dilemma: > > On the one hand part of the attraction of the music we're into *is* it's > very 'imperfection' on any number of fronts, on sound quality; structurally; > production. Imperfections whether intentional or unintentional can add > almost a magical quality to a piece of music *heard in the right context*. > The same could especially be said (imho) about Derrick May's own work - I > mean basically, during the era in which he did his only non-collaborative > work (no offence intended in that, it's just a fact that it was a while ago) > electronic music sounded what could be called 'unfinished' or put more > politely, 'minimal'. > > And then there is Robin's point about the sketchiness of some productions > being quite necessary if the music is going to be programmed with other > tracks ... > > However, I can definitely see the point about some things being quite > patently thrown together (or seeming to be) and that point where minimal > becomes just downright lazy, unimaginative, or dare I say it - a display of > a *lack* of talent rather than display of talent. > > It would be helpful though to know what tracks May had in mind when he made > that statement (but of course we never will), 'cause in the last 6 months > I've heard a great deal of quality music coming from Detroit and coming from > everywhere. I've heard some mediocre house, techno, broken beat, etc etc > too, but not as much good stuff - which you do have to seek out if you want > to overwhelm what would seem like a stream (but not a deluge) of cack - that > being a crucial point! Nothing different in that today compared to ten years > ago. (mho.) > > k
RE: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
Well I kinda cheated..I work at the corp office here in Ann Arbor;) -Original Message- From: robin pinning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:38 AM To: Darren Longton (Marketing) Cc: Tom Churchill; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB thanks tom, rob and darren (how did you find that list, i thought my googling skills were good :) ) there isn't one too close to me...will have to enlist one of my operatives (hey rob! :) ) cheers guys robin... > All Borders stores in the UK: > > LondonUK 120 Charing Cross Road > Brighton, East Sussex UK Unit MSU6, Churchill Square Shopping Centre > Glasgow, Scotland UK98 Buchanan Street > LondonUK 203 Oxford Street > YorkUK1-5 Davygate > Leeds UK94-96 Briggate > Chesire OaksUK#34 Coliseum Way > Bournemouth UK Unit 1-2, The Square, 4-21 Bourne Avenue > Oxfordshire UK 1-12 Magdalen Street > Cambridge UK 12-13 Market Street > Edinburgh, Scotland UK Fort Kinnaird, Newcraighall Road > Kingston-Upon-Thames UK 6-9 Market Pleace, Charter Quay > Watford UK Waterfields Retail Park, New Road > Islington, London UKUnit MSU1 & MSU2, Parkfield Street > Stockport UK Unit 1B, Peel Retail Park > West Thurrock UKUnit 3, Lakeside Retail Park > Leicester UK Grove Farm Triangle, Narborough Road South > Bristol UK Clifton Promenade, 48-56 Queens Road, Clifton > Speke UKUnit L2, New Mersey Retail Park, Speke Road > Swansea UK Unit 4 & 5, Pac Fforestfach, Pontradulais Road > Swindon UK > > -Original Message- > From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:22 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: 313 > Subject: Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB > > > > ok, can anyone point me to a vendor that sells URB in the uk? > > My local Borders always stocks it (along with other US mags like XLR8R, > Grooves, BPM Culture etc) - is there a branch of Borders near you? > > Cheers, >
RE: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
>also could it be that many producers release "infinished tracks" so that >the idea can be completed by the dj? justa thought. I thought exactly the same thing Robin, although I was a bit wary abt going up against the wisdom of May and Atkins - that's not meant ironically at all. I respect them and their opinions 100%, although I might disagree. That point is a difficult one. A bit of a dilemma: On the one hand part of the attraction of the music we're into *is* it's very 'imperfection' on any number of fronts, on sound quality; structurally; production. Imperfections whether intentional or unintentional can add almost a magical quality to a piece of music *heard in the right context*. The same could especially be said (imho) about Derrick May's own work - I mean basically, during the era in which he did his only non-collaborative work (no offence intended in that, it's just a fact that it was a while ago) electronic music sounded what could be called 'unfinished' or put more politely, 'minimal'. And then there is Robin's point about the sketchiness of some productions being quite necessary if the music is going to be programmed with other tracks ... However, I can definitely see the point about some things being quite patently thrown together (or seeming to be) and that point where minimal becomes just downright lazy, unimaginative, or dare I say it - a display of a *lack* of talent rather than display of talent. It would be helpful though to know what tracks May had in mind when he made that statement (but of course we never will), 'cause in the last 6 months I've heard a great deal of quality music coming from Detroit and coming from everywhere. I've heard some mediocre house, techno, broken beat, etc etc too, but not as much good stuff - which you do have to seek out if you want to overwhelm what would seem like a stream (but not a deluge) of cack - that being a crucial point! Nothing different in that today compared to ten years ago. (mho.) k
RE: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
thanks tom, rob and darren (how did you find that list, i thought my googling skills were good :) ) there isn't one too close to me...will have to enlist one of my operatives (hey rob! :) ) cheers guys robin... > All Borders stores in the UK: > > LondonUK 120 Charing Cross Road > Brighton, East Sussex UK Unit MSU6, Churchill Square Shopping Centre > Glasgow, Scotland UK98 Buchanan Street > LondonUK 203 Oxford Street > YorkUK1-5 Davygate > Leeds UK94-96 Briggate > Chesire OaksUK#34 Coliseum Way > Bournemouth UK Unit 1-2, The Square, 4-21 Bourne Avenue > Oxfordshire UK 1-12 Magdalen Street > Cambridge UK 12-13 Market Street > Edinburgh, Scotland UK Fort Kinnaird, Newcraighall Road > Kingston-Upon-Thames UK 6-9 Market Pleace, Charter Quay > Watford UK Waterfields Retail Park, New Road > Islington, London UKUnit MSU1 & MSU2, Parkfield Street > Stockport UK Unit 1B, Peel Retail Park > West Thurrock UKUnit 3, Lakeside Retail Park > Leicester UK Grove Farm Triangle, Narborough Road South > Bristol UK Clifton Promenade, 48-56 Queens Road, Clifton > Speke UKUnit L2, New Mersey Retail Park, Speke Road > Swansea UK Unit 4 & 5, Pac Fforestfach, Pontradulais Road > Swindon UK > > -Original Message- > From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:22 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: 313 > Subject: Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB > > > > ok, can anyone point me to a vendor that sells URB in the uk? > > My local Borders always stocks it (along with other US mags like XLR8R, > Grooves, BPM Culture etc) - is there a branch of Borders near you? > > Cheers, >
Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
All Borders stores in the UK: From: "Darren Longton (Marketing)" Yup... marketing :))) London UK 120 Charing Cross Road Brighton, East Sussex UK Unit MSU6, Churchill Square Shopping Centre Glasgow, Scotland UK98 Buchanan Street London UK 203 Oxford Street York UK1-5 Davygate Leeds UK94-96 Briggate Chesire Oaks UK#34 Coliseum Way Bournemouth UK Unit 1-2, The Square, 4-21 Bourne Avenue Oxfordshire UK 1-12 Magdalen Street Cambridge UK 12-13 Market Street Edinburgh, Scotland UK Fort Kinnaird, Newcraighall Road Kingston-Upon-ThamesUK 6-9 Market Pleace, Charter Quay Watford UK Waterfields Retail Park, New Road Islington, London UKUnit MSU1 & MSU2, Parkfield Street Stockport UK Unit 1B, Peel Retail Park West Thurrock UKUnit 3, Lakeside Retail Park Leicester UK Grove Farm Triangle, Narborough Road South Bristol UK Clifton Promenade, 48-56 Queens Road, Clifton Speke UKUnit L2, New Mersey Retail Park, Speke Road Swansea UK Unit 4 & 5, Pac Fforestfach, Pontradulais Road Swindon UK -Original Message- From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB ok, can anyone point me to a vendor that sells URB in the uk? My local Borders always stocks it (along with other US mags like XLR8R, Grooves, BPM Culture etc) - is there a branch of Borders near you? Cheers, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
All Borders stores in the UK: London UK 120 Charing Cross Road Brighton, East Sussex UK Unit MSU6, Churchill Square Shopping Centre Glasgow, Scotland UK98 Buchanan Street London UK 203 Oxford Street York UK1-5 Davygate Leeds UK94-96 Briggate Chesire Oaks UK#34 Coliseum Way Bournemouth UK Unit 1-2, The Square, 4-21 Bourne Avenue Oxfordshire UK 1-12 Magdalen Street Cambridge UK 12-13 Market Street Edinburgh, Scotland UK Fort Kinnaird, Newcraighall Road Kingston-Upon-ThamesUK 6-9 Market Pleace, Charter Quay Watford UK Waterfields Retail Park, New Road Islington, London UKUnit MSU1 & MSU2, Parkfield Street Stockport UK Unit 1B, Peel Retail Park West Thurrock UKUnit 3, Lakeside Retail Park Leicester UK Grove Farm Triangle, Narborough Road South Bristol UK Clifton Promenade, 48-56 Queens Road, Clifton Speke UKUnit L2, New Mersey Retail Park, Speke Road Swansea UK Unit 4 & 5, Pac Fforestfach, Pontradulais Road Swindon UK -Original Message- From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB > ok, can anyone point me to a vendor that sells URB in the uk? My local Borders always stocks it (along with other US mags like XLR8R, Grooves, BPM Culture etc) - is there a branch of Borders near you? Cheers, Tom
Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
> ok, can anyone point me to a vendor that sells URB in the uk? My local Borders always stocks it (along with other US mags like XLR8R, Grooves, BPM Culture etc) - is there a branch of Borders near you? Cheers, Tom
Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
ok, can anyone point me to a vendor that sells URB in the uk? also could it be that many producers release "infinished tracks" so that the idea can be completed by the dj? justa thought. that would explain the popularity of music such as Looped Bangers and the minimal clicky house type stuff. of course most djs aren't up to the task of completing the idea presented by these tracks imo cheers robin... > > > > I know it's been mentioned before but I was curious to other people's > > > > thoughts on the interview. > > > > I was struck by May saying he thought so many records being released > > these > > > > days sound like unfinished thoughts - was dead on as I've been > > expressing > > > > the same opinion lately in regard to much of the new "techno" releases. > > > > > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > > > > > MEK
Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
and there's also some 12" reviews by kevin saunderson online as well. but BUY the darn issue =P On Tue, 20 May 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > it actually won't come online at all. you want it, you buy it. > > and please buy it. if they sell a lot of this issue, i'll get to write > more piece about good techno. ;) > > btw: the interview with Richie Hawtin talking about the Music Institue is > online for free. > > > On Tue, 20 May 2003, ::) wrote: > > > i would imagine you they wont put it online until next month as incentive to > > buy this months issue. > > > > :) > > > > -Joe > > > > - Original Message - > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:33 PM > > Subject: Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB > > > > > > > where can i read this, the urb site just has the cover but not the > > interview. > > > > > > > > > Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > > > > > I know it's been mentioned before but I was curious to other people's > > > > thoughts on the interview. > > > > I was struck by May saying he thought so many records being released > > these > > > > days sound like unfinished thoughts - was dead on as I've been > > expressing > > > > the same opinion lately in regard to much of the new "techno" releases. > > > > > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > > > > > MEK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > This mail sent through IMP: www-mail.usyd.edu.au > > > > >
Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
it actually won't come online at all. you want it, you buy it. and please buy it. if they sell a lot of this issue, i'll get to write more piece about good techno. ;) btw: the interview with Richie Hawtin talking about the Music Institue is online for free. On Tue, 20 May 2003, ::) wrote: > i would imagine you they wont put it online until next month as incentive to > buy this months issue. > > :) > > -Joe > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB > > > > where can i read this, the urb site just has the cover but not the > interview. > > > > > > Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > > > I know it's been mentioned before but I was curious to other people's > > > thoughts on the interview. > > > I was struck by May saying he thought so many records being released > these > > > days sound like unfinished thoughts - was dead on as I've been > expressing > > > the same opinion lately in regard to much of the new "techno" releases. > > > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > > > MEK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > This mail sent through IMP: www-mail.usyd.edu.au > >
Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
i would imagine you they wont put it online until next month as incentive to buy this months issue. :) -Joe - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:33 PM Subject: Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB > where can i read this, the urb site just has the cover but not the interview. > > > Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > I know it's been mentioned before but I was curious to other people's > > thoughts on the interview. > > I was struck by May saying he thought so many records being released these > > days sound like unfinished thoughts - was dead on as I've been expressing > > the same opinion lately in regard to much of the new "techno" releases. > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > MEK > > > > > > > > > > > - > This mail sent through IMP: www-mail.usyd.edu.au
Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
where can i read this, the urb site just has the cover but not the interview. Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I know it's been mentioned before but I was curious to other people's > thoughts on the interview. > I was struck by May saying he thought so many records being released these > days sound like unfinished thoughts - was dead on as I've been expressing > the same opinion lately in regard to much of the new "techno" releases. > > any other thoughts? > > MEK > > > - This mail sent through IMP: www-mail.usyd.edu.au
Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
You gotta love the 'really good deal' Kevin and Derrick got on some of their first gear, as stated in the interview :) Cheers! >From: "Garrett McGrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <313@hyperreal.org>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB >Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:54:55 -0700 > >it's pretty clear that at times i have an affinity for those same unfinished >records (aka, to a large extent, the Looped Bangers) but i still couldn't >agree more. too many records being released, regardless of bpm or relative >genre, miss the tension/emotion that's ultimately what grabs you with a >great record. > >- Original Message - >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <313@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:44 AM >Subject: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB > > > > I know it's been mentioned before but I was curious to other people's > > thoughts on the interview. > > I was struck by May saying he thought so many records being released these > > days sound like unfinished thoughts - was dead on as I've been expressing > > the same opinion lately in regard to much of the new "techno" releases. > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > MEK > > > Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online
Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
it's pretty clear that at times i have an affinity for those same unfinished records (aka, to a large extent, the Looped Bangers) but i still couldn't agree more. too many records being released, regardless of bpm or relative genre, miss the tension/emotion that's ultimately what grabs you with a great record. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:44 AM Subject: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB > I know it's been mentioned before but I was curious to other people's > thoughts on the interview. > I was struck by May saying he thought so many records being released these > days sound like unfinished thoughts - was dead on as I've been expressing > the same opinion lately in regard to much of the new "techno" releases. > > any other thoughts? > > MEK >
Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 04:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was struck by May saying he thought so many records being released these days sound like unfinished thoughts Maybe just like his unfinished album on R&S? ;) Peace, Patrick.
