RE: [313] Is it Acid Techno?
It is definately trance, but it is a much harder more edgey version many times based around 1 or 2 word samples. Labels such as ClusterF*ck and Routemaster (home to artists like chris liberator and d.a.v.e. the drummer) have coined to the term hard acid tecno to describe the sound, which I think is appropriate. It is one of those situations in which you know it is trance, but you just don't want to call it trance. :) ben -Original Message- From: Gerald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 10:10 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Jeff Richards Subject: Re: [313] Is it Acid Techno? It is trance! Just a harder version, call it hard trance or acid trance if you want. It's the same old trance theme using harder more techno like sounds. Just because they are using similar sounds/gear as other techno producers doesn't make it techno IMHO. Gerald Jeff Richards wrote: ok, i was just wondering what everbody thinks. I have been listening to some of the brittish acid techno like dave the drummer, chris liberator, roland the bastard (what a name, gotta love that guy), julian liberator, etc, etc. i have noticed some similarities between it and trance. a bouncy baseline, snare drum rolls. but it is still way too agressive to be trance. whats the deal? am i the only one who noticed it? it don't matter though, i still like it. jeff __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Is it Acid Techno?
Jeff Richards wrote: ok, i was just wondering what everbody thinks. I have been listening to some of the brittish acid techno like dave the drummer, chris liberator, roland the bastard (what a name, gotta love that guy), julian liberator, etc, etc. i have noticed some similarities between it and trance. a bouncy baseline, snare drum rolls. but it is still way too agressive to be trance. whats the deal? am i the only one who noticed it? it don't matter though, i still like it. Rowland the Bastard's International Gonad (Paradigm) sounds to me like the stuff from IMPORTANT records back in '93, and that was what we called techno (TEKKNO). OK, it was Acid and Techno, but we really never considered that hard 303 funk really as Trance... Back in those days true trance was dark and good, IT HAD BEATS!!! It was Hardfloor's Acperience, Ongaku's Mihon etc... Not just going up up and up, but really something that when listened and danced long enough, it put you in a trance. Trance as a genre went downhills from '94 onwards. I know what people think about trance at the moment, but in '94 even something like Phylyps trak on BC was played by trance/techno DJ's, AND IT WAS PERFECT TRANCE! Hard, hammer-like beats and metallic sounds really defined what a good trancy-techno could be. It's the cheese-factor that puts most people away from current trance. (check: www.satelliterecords.com and they have a listening booth with Rowland's tracks...) Proffit Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Is it Acid Techno?
I think what is confusing is that our understanding of what constitutes 'trance' is actually quite fluid and has changed over time. Sven Vath, Jam Spoon, Sash!, Sasha and Digweed, BT, Paul Van Dyk, Christopher Lawrence, Oliver Lieb, Hallucinogen, Carl Cox and the Liberator DJs are all labelled trance. All very different acts. Christopher Lawrence gets quite worked up about being put in the same bracket as the commercial UK variety. Remember there was even a time when Mills (circa Waveform Transmission Vol 1) was considered 'trance'. Then there is the trance/progressive house distinction, the latter being considered 'deeper', 'funkier' and more' intelligent' - eg Hybrid. The Liberators' stuff is referred to interchangeably as trance, hard house and acid techno (they flip those terms themselves). They are actually nice lads - not at all pretentious and all about ''avin' it.' Certainly what they do is better than the big name UK cats. They have a cheeky outlook on Detroit though! What was that album called? It's Not From Detroit, It's Not Intelligent But It's 'Avin' It or something like that. Dave gripes a bit about the purism in the scene and he has (unwisely!) criticised the status of various Detroit icons but it's more the UK press he has a problem with. They are all part of the squat party thing in London. C ok, i was just wondering what everbody thinks. I have been listening to some of the brittish acid techno like dave the drummer, chris liberator, roland the bastard (what a name, gotta love that guy), julian liberator, etc, etc.
