RE: [313] metro times article - rant
hopefully next year she won't be involved. only if there is a god, and this god you pray to at starbuckks. scotto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm concerned about this idea that this year's lineup just makes the DEMF into a daytime rave. Would it be good to have more experimental/ IDM in the lineup? Maybe yes -- or maybe not *this* year. Maybe *this* year it ought to be more about movement and getting your groove on, and as a dance-oriented DJ I have *no problem* with defending that point of view, which is just as valid as the idea that the more experimental and innovative side needs the spotlight. In fact, both viewpoints are valid, and so in the end moving the center of gravity between them at the festival from year to year is the right approach. Again, let's give some credit to Carol Marvin for letting a set of experienced people, a Delphi Court if you will, help do the lineup selections. Any list will generate complaints and disagreements, but I bet when it's all over we will see that this year's lineup has its own merits, because the reality is, at the literal end of the day, the music is more powerful than anyone's agenda. If Carol Marvin had picked some sidekick to select the lineup in secret, and they had the typical aspirations to being a self-anointed Big Wheel in musical inner circles -- which is how this sort of thing usually goes -- then we would have plenty of reason to kick back. Instead, what we got is an admirable group of selectors, followed by a predictably incompetent implementation of the recommended list by PCM. And even so, the lineup is going to showcase some great music. (Sooner or later, though, the city has to face up to the fact that you can't burn everyone in town and keep the festival going. The comments from Kevin Saunderson ought to make *everyone* sit up and pay serious attention.) In the end, though, Carl's quote at the end of the MT article is exactly right. He had the vision all along: the festival should be *everyone's* festival. And so far, no matter what Carol Marvin may think, it still is. phred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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props to lisa for saying what the other papers cant say due to contractual obligations or just plain stupidity. i like this quote from Dan Sordyl because it cuts to the chase of the matter: You've got to give Carol Marvin credit for making this happen against all odds. The first year they pulled this off, she busted her ass to make this happen. But you can't go alienating the music scene. You can't alienate the people that have been performing and promoting this music in this city for years. I personally dont care if carol is a bitch, if she doesnt pay her phone bill, if she's out to make a buck- whatever. But when she comes out of nowhere, takes over something very special and deeply rooted in the local music community, and then completely disregards the voice of that community- this is very uncool. i vote for impeachment :) see y'all in a few days -p - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] metro times article - rant
- Original Message - From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm concerned about this idea that this year's lineup just makes the DEMF into a daytime rave. Would it be good to have more experimental/ IDM in the lineup? Maybe yes -- or maybe not *this* year. Maybe *this* year it ought to be more about movement and getting your groove on, and as a dance-oriented DJ I have *no problem* with defending that point of view, which is just as valid as the idea that the more experimental and innovative side needs the spotlight. In fact, both viewpoints are valid, and so in the end moving the center of gravity between them at the festival from year to year is the right approach. im not trying to get argumentative here, but the lineup is definitely rave friendly, much more so than the previous years'. especially jokers like frankie bones, heather heart, and adam x. their relationship to techno music is weak at best IMO. and as unpopular as my next opinion might be, i think people like marco corola, green velvet, alan oldham, dave clark, and dj krust appeal to a ravier crowd, based on the venues they play that i know of and the kinds of music they play. i missed the last 2 DEMFs because of work, and i really wanted to go this year, and the first lineup announced this year had some things i really wanted to see that i couldnt see at a rave locally, like drexciya, dj shadow, frankie knuckles, and juan atikins. of those, only juan is still playing. but even before they dropped off, i was unhappy that it wasnt as good as past lineups. and when those people dropped off, it left me with very little incentive to go, considering that alot of the people play at raves locally. it takes away from the specialness. id like to see dan bell, carl craig, aril brikha, safety scissors, kit clayton, UR, shake, recloose, jeff mills, drexciya, john tejada, etc, stuff thats very detroit and doesnt come to raves around me. ive been kicking myself for 2 years now because i couldnt go to that first one, and i know alot of these people played then. but that doesnt mean they cant be booked again. Again, let's give some credit to Carol Marvin for letting a set of experienced people, a Delphi Court if you will, help do the lineup selections. Any list will generate complaints and disagreements, but I bet when it's all over we will see that this year's lineup has its own merits, because the reality is, at the literal end of the day, the music is more powerful than anyone's agenda. i dont know, obviously since i wasnt at the first 2, i cant compare, but i know how much those lineups made me almost want to cry because they were so great, and this one just didnt do the same for me. i still should go, but i do need to make some money so im not going to, ill be working instead. tom ~ Thomas D. Cox, Jr. AKA Kevlar Moneyclips CEO http://www.steelcitysoul.com Record Reviews http://www.ukgarageworldwide.com/ Blood-Clot DeeJay http://www.strikefm.co.uk/ ~ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] metro times article - rant
the lineup is something that will always make some people unhappy. i think the panel was a good idea (much better than carol/pcm picking artists). my problem with the whole thing is this: if the festival is the *detroit electronic music* festival, how come i can't walk into a tent and buy an ersatz audio record? and i have doubts about the integrity of someone who claims to be a fan of the music and then uses it to help huge corporate sponsors reach their market audience. that should be a small part of the festival, not the main focus. (no pun intended) btw: does anyone know who the music retailer is down there this year? i know record time is not doing it. ani : : -Original Message- : : From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 12:29 AM : : To: 313@hyperreal.org : : Subject: Re: [313] metro times article - rant : : : : : : I'm concerned about this idea that this year's lineup just makes the : : DEMF into a daytime rave. Would it be good to have more experimental/ : : IDM in the lineup? Maybe yes -- or maybe not *this* year. : : Maybe *this* : : year it ought to be more about movement and getting your groove on, and : : as a dance-oriented DJ I have *no problem* with defending that point of : : view, which is just as valid as the idea that the more experimental and : : innovative side needs the spotlight. In fact, both viewpoints : : are valid, : : and so in the end moving the center of gravity between them at : : the festival : : from year to year is the right approach. : : : : Again, let's give some credit to Carol Marvin for letting a set of : : experienced people, a Delphi Court if you will, help do the lineup : : selections. Any list will generate complaints and disagreements, but : : I bet when it's all over we will see that this year's lineup has its own : : merits, because the reality is, at the literal end of the day, the music : : is more powerful than anyone's agenda. : : : : If Carol Marvin had picked some sidekick to select the lineup : : in secret, : : and they had the typical aspirations to being a self-anointed : : Big Wheel in : : musical inner circles -- which is how this sort of thing : : usually goes -- : : then we would have plenty of reason to kick back. Instead, : : what we got is : : an admirable group of selectors, followed by a predictably incompetent : : implementation of the recommended list by PCM. And even so, : : the lineup is : : going to showcase some great music. : : : : (Sooner or later, though, the city has to face up to the fact : : that you can't : : burn everyone in town and keep the festival going. The : : comments from Kevin : : Saunderson ought to make *everyone* sit up and pay serious attention.) : : : : In the end, though, Carl's quote at the end of the MT article is exactly : : right. He had the vision all along: the festival should be *everyone's* : : festival. And so far, no matter what Carol Marvin may think, : : it still is. : : : : phred : : : : : : : : : : - : : To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : : : : - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] metro times article - rant
I hear you Fred. I just have trouble with the polarized grouping of dance and IDM styles. There were all kinds of other genres and styles represented in the first two festivals. Ones you could dance to, too. Lumping everything but house and techno into IDM seems a bit convenient, and gives them an angle to defend the line-up as it stands. -d At 9:28 PM -0700 5/22/02, Fred Heutte wrote: I'm concerned about this idea that this year's lineup just makes the DEMF into a daytime rave. Would it be good to have more experimental/ IDM in the lineup? Maybe yes -- or maybe not *this* year. Maybe *this* year it ought to be more about movement and getting your groove on, and as a dance-oriented DJ I have *no problem* with defending that point of view, which is just as valid as the idea that the more experimental and innovative side needs the spotlight. In fact, both viewpoints are valid, and so in the end moving the center of gravity between them at the festival from year to year is the right approach. Again, let's give some credit to Carol Marvin for letting a set of experienced people, a Delphi Court if you will, help do the lineup selections. Any list will generate complaints and disagreements, but I bet when it's all over we will see that this year's lineup has its own merits, because the reality is, at the literal end of the day, the music is more powerful than anyone's agenda. If Carol Marvin had picked some sidekick to select the lineup in secret, and they had the typical aspirations to being a self-anointed Big Wheel in musical inner circles -- which is how this sort of thing usually goes -- then we would have plenty of reason to kick back. Instead, what we got is an admirable group of selectors, followed by a predictably incompetent implementation of the recommended list by PCM. And even so, the lineup is going to showcase some great music. (Sooner or later, though, the city has to face up to the fact that you can't burn everyone in town and keep the festival going. The comments from Kevin Saunderson ought to make *everyone* sit up and pay serious attention.) In the end, though, Carl's quote at the end of the MT article is exactly right. He had the vision all along: the festival should be *everyone's* festival. And so far, no matter what Carol Marvin may think, it still is. phred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 10:09 AM -0400 5/23/02, Dan Sicko wrote: I hear you Fred. I just have trouble with the polarized grouping of dance and IDM styles. There were all kinds of other genres and styles represented in the first two festivals. Ones you could dance to, too. excuse me, party and IDM ... to quote the article. -d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think they are being a little over-dramatic calling it a daytime rave, although I certainly do have a fear that PCM would like to present it this way. Having straight up dance music in NO WAY makes an event a rave, as anyone who's gone to a dress up invite only loft party in Detroit or Chicago or Kalamazoo etc should know. Besides we'd get all trance and prog house if it was a rave, not the Detroit and Chicago techno and house sounds, which we all know did not come out of raves. (As far as the lack of IDM, I could insert a rant about how stupid the term IDM is here, and how just because music is esperimental does not mean it's a successful esperiment! But plenty of things classified under these labels are really good). On the other hand, one must consider that perhaps people who are tired from partying don't WANT to dance all day starting at 12 noon, the idea of having some music you can sit and chill to and enjoy makes sense during a daytime festival, I mean are people supposed to take amphetamines or something so they have they energy to dance for three days and nights in a row? Ridiculous. And as much as it's nice to showcase that raw techno and house sound that I certainly love, I see no reason why a festival this big shouldn't be diverse in musical offerings--something that can expand people's horizons. Personally, I'm on a limited budget as a DJ; I want to play out and so I really do have to stick to mostly buying techno and house dance records--but I'd love a chance to maybe hear some groups that do something quite different. What is more to the point, for me, is not the opposition between Dance/IDM music but rather getting a line up that represents the international electronic scene, and GIVES PEOPLE A REASON TO FLY IN FROM TOKYO, or send journalists if we are talking about an international musc mag. It is this kind of vision that Carl Craig had that PCM does not seem to share, it's the cosmopolitan idea that this festival can really be something on the world scene. Not exploiting Detroit but believing that Detroit can rise and become something really great. ?dave Original Message Follows From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] metro times article - rant Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:28:50 -0700 I'm concerned about this idea that this year's lineup just makes the DEMF into a daytime rave. Would it be good to have more experimental/ IDM in the lineup? Maybe yes -- or maybe not *this* year. Maybe *this* year it ought to be more about movement and getting your groove on, and as a dance-oriented DJ I have *no problem* with defending that point of view, which is just as valid as the idea that the more experimental and innovative side needs the spotlight. In fact, both viewpoints are valid, and so in the end moving the center of gravity between them at the festival from year to year is the right approach. Again, let's give some credit to Carol Marvin for letting a set of experienced people, a Delphi Court if you will, help do the lineup selections. Any list will generate complaints and disagreements, but I bet when it's all over we will see that this year's lineup has its own merits, because the reality is, at the literal end of the day, the music is more powerful than anyone's agenda. If Carol Marvin had picked some sidekick to select the lineup in secret, and they had the typical aspirations to being a self-anointed Big Wheel in musical inner circles -- which is how this sort of thing usually goes -- then we would have plenty of reason to kick back. Instead, what we got is an admirable group of selectors, followed by a predictably incompetent implementation of the recommended list by PCM. And even so, the lineup is going to showcase some great music. (Sooner or later, though, the city has to face up to the fact that you can't burn everyone in town and keep the festival going. The comments from Kevin Saunderson ought to make *everyone* sit up and pay serious attention.) In the end, though, Carl's quote at the end of the MT article is exactly right. He had the vision all along: the festival should be *everyone's* festival. And so far, no matter what Carol Marvin may think, it still is. phred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
