RE: (313) LFO are back!
--- Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To you. So that is an excuse for LFO to keep making the same tracks over and over? I don't buy it. While diehard fans might want an artist to stay in their personal favorite period (to your ears 'the best' period) forever, the vanguard artists will always want (for better or worse) to push a sound forward, especially in a genre like techno that rewards innovation. You can't freeze a musical time period and put it in a bottle and expect to keep progress at the same time. Get over it. Well not so much making the same tracks just using some of the ideas in LFO's first album such as the sub basslines. What artist like Dave Clarke and Neil Landstrum were doing in the mid 90's are good examples of people using concepts of the older techno sound. Who said his new material is trying to be something else? If it doesn't sound like old LFO and you're going to be unhappy, well start get disappointed now because it probably doesn't. You could take it up with the artist, see how far you get. Ha ha The stupid labels you mention are just words that became labels for artists pushing things in different directions, thus they got named to separate or highlight them. If they didn't move in different directions, we'd all be stuck in a rut and all electronic dance music (or whatever) would sound much more similar even than it does today. Things change, morph, take in old and new influences and move where the artist wants to take things next, get over it. Techno will never go back to the way it was 10-15 years ago, nor does it need to. Techno is basically a late 80's early 90's music genre, it's like electro. Based in drum machine and synthesizer music. Comparing today's music to techno from 10 or 15 years ago is like comparing the original Star Wars Trilogy to the newer movies like Episode 1. Is newer better? well no because in this case newer technology was not utilized correctly to improve on an old concept which had room for some improvement. =
RE: (313) LFO are back!
Techno is basically a late 80's early 90's music genre, it's like electro. ahh you're one of those people who encapsulates music to a specific time period. like, jazz is a 1920's genre. rock is 1950's. techno, 1980's. but then you talk about progress, innovation and improvement - -i dont see how these two attitudes fit! you've got such a closemeninded view of when and what this music is, i dont see that you would know progress when you hear it..no offense, but music doesnt exist in a static time frame like that as long as people are still making it -- even when it is consciously harking back to an earlier time. Comparing today's music to techno from 10 or 15 years ago is like comparing the original Star Wars Trilogy to the newer movies like Episode 1. umm, so like a completely relevant comparison, you mean? Is newer better? well no because in this case newer technology was not utilized correctly to improve on an old concept which had room for some improvement. correctly? well la-di-da!! thats awfull rigid. i would say not utilized to its full potential...but then this falls into the mindframe of thinking that if music is innovative, its better. like innovation first, worry about whether its actually aesthetically pleasing second :P what was the correct use of technology? techno might seem like it has an inherent connection to technology, but i disagree with that assumption. techno doesnt need new technology to progress, just ideas. but then i think there are two groups of listeners in techno, those who are more into sound design (technology is important) and those who are into songwriting (technology is irrelevant). i lean towards the latter obviously but i'm a big fan of the first as well...dont think sound design means anything without the songwriting. hmm yeah ok. techno is dead! next: cd's vs vinyl :P jt _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
RE: (313) LFO are back!
Comparing today's music to techno from 10 or 15 years ago is like comparing the original Star Wars Trilogy to the newer movies like Episode 1. Is newer better? well no because in this case newer technology was not utilized correctly to improve on an old concept which had room for some improvement. ohh wait i think i mistook how you meant this the first time, that you were drawing a metaphor..i kinda dig it, that comparison..over-reliance on technology while missing the things that really made the first ones good...too much process not enough substance etc etc _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) LFO are back!
Comparing today's music to techno from 10 or 15 years ago is like comparing the original Star Wars Trilogy to the newer movies like Episode 1. Is newer better? well no because in this case newer technology was not utilized correctly to improve on an old concept which had room for some improvement. sorry but that's a bad analogy - the new Star Wars suck, not because the technology wasn't used properly (it was), but because the director though he could write the story (and dialogue) as good as the professionals he hired for the first films (he can't). Visually it was cool - substance wise it sucked because the content was bd. So, how does that connect to music? it doesn't If you're saying that LFO should keep working with sub-basses because you think the sound hasn't been fully explored then do it yourself. You seem to know quite a bit about their music so then go there yourself - take the old LFO blueprint and push it further. Maybe you'll write the tune that saves techno. maybe LFO is tired of the sound because everyone at one point in time started doing bleep and bass stuff and it sort of ran its course and then MORPHED into other forms of music - THINGS CHANGE STEVE - GET USED TO IT. If you want to hear sub-basses in new music then check out Nu-School Breaks, drum bass, electronic dub music, stuff like Monolake/Toytronic/Neil Landstrumm/Si Begg/Polmo Polpo/etc. There is plenty of music in a similar vein (albeit updated) to LFO's original sound. Techno is basically a late 80's early 90's music genre, it's like electro. Based in drum machine and synthesizer music so did like an alien from outerspace give you some kind of new technology that allows you to make music from your ass or something? yeah - techno and electro are retro and s, like, 1992 - now we're all into that new ass music - it's really cool because just like the TB303, our asses weren't designed for making those types of noises. Some sub-basses there, wot? MEK spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org gy.net cc: Subject: RE: (313) LFO are back! 07/10/03 08:37 AM --- Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To you. So that is an excuse for LFO to keep making the same tracks over and over? I don't buy it. While diehard fans might want an artist to stay in their personal favorite period (to your ears 'the best' period) forever, the vanguard artists will always want (for better or worse) to push a sound forward, especially in a genre like techno that rewards innovation. You can't freeze a musical time period and put it in a bottle and expect to keep progress at the same time. Get over it. Well not so much making the same tracks just using some of the ideas in LFO's first album such as the sub basslines. What artist like Dave Clarke and Neil Landstrum were doing in the mid 90's are good examples of people using concepts of the older techno sound. Who said his new material is trying to be something else? If it doesn't sound like old LFO and you're going to be unhappy, well start get disappointed now because it probably doesn't. You could take it up with the artist, see how far you get. Ha ha The stupid labels you mention are just words that became labels for artists pushing things in different directions, thus they got named to separate or highlight them. If they didn't move in different directions, we'd all be stuck in a rut and all electronic dance music (or whatever) would sound much more similar even than it does today. Things change, morph, take in old and new influences and move where the artist wants to take things next, get over it. Techno will never go back to the way it was 10-15 years ago, nor does it need to. Techno is basically a late 80's early 90's music genre, it's like electro. Based in drum machine and synthesizer music. Comparing today's music to techno from 10 or 15 years ago is like comparing the original Star Wars Trilogy to the newer movies like Episode 1. Is newer better? well no because in this case newer technology was not utilized correctly to improve on an old concept which had room
Re: (313) LFO are back!
But LFO is no longer a duo, and hasn't been for ages. It's rediculous to expect him to rehash what he was doing over a decade ago. because it sounds better that a lot of contemporary dance music. How about using some of the same concepts bleep and bassline sound instead of 'rehashing' with out making it sound like stupid tech-house/basic channel/ micro house/ broken beat/ stupid stupid stupid. His new stuff sounds way more like Advance than anything they did as a duo, but it is also a huge leap forward from that, or the production work he's been doing in the last few years. Exceedingly complex stuff. I like the old stuff too, and think his best stuff was from the mid-'90s, as Clark, but I am still completely excited for this new album. Certainly one of the most exciting things to happen this year, and really it sounds quite different from anything I've heard to date. If this was 1985 you would say Kraftwerk Electric Cafe was a better album than Computer World. he couldn't save Depeche Modes last album which could be blamed on Depeche Mode who sounded best in the 80's. =
RE: (313) LFO are back!
because it sounds better that a lot of contemporary dance music. To you. So that is an excuse for LFO to keep making the same tracks over and over? I don't buy it. While diehard fans might want an artist to stay in their personal favorite period (to your ears 'the best' period) forever, the vanguard artists will always want (for better or worse) to push a sound forward, especially in a genre like techno that rewards innovation. You can't freeze a musical time period and put it in a bottle and expect to keep progress at the same time. Get over it. How about using some of the same concepts bleep and bassline sound instead of 'rehashing' with out making it sound like stupid tech-house/basic channel/ micro house/broken beat/ stupid stupid stupid. Who said his new material is trying to be something else? If it doesn't sound like old LFO and you're going to be unhappy, well start get disappointed now because it probably doesn't. You could take it up with the artist, see how far you get. Ha ha The stupid labels you mention are just words that became labels for artists pushing things in different directions, thus they got named to separate or highlight them. If they didn't move in different directions, we'd all be stuck in a rut and all electronic dance music (or whatever) would sound much more similar even than it does today. Things change, morph, take in old and new influences and move where the artist wants to take things next, get over it. Techno will never go back to the way it was 10-15 years ago, nor does it need to. Peace, Matt MacQueen
Re: (313) LFO are back!
-- Original Message -- From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED] because it sounds better that a lot of contemporary dance music. How about using some of the same concepts bleep and bassline sound instead of 'rehashing' with out making it sound like stupid tech-house/basic channel/ micro house/ broken beat/ stupid stupid stupid. youre such an idiot. you talk trash on detroit music because it sticks to its guns, then you try to say LFO should stick to his. shut up. shut up. the only thing stupid about basic channel broken beat etc is you for not liking them because youre a tw*t. If this was 1985 you would say Kraftwerk Electric Cafe was a better album than Computer World. he couldn't save Depeche Modes last album which could be blamed on Depeche Mode who sounded best in the 80's. if this was 2003 i would shut up shut up shut up spw. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) LFO are back!
They can still be LFO without putting out the same old stuff On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 19:48 America/Detroit, Matthew MacQueen wrote: because it sounds better that a lot of contemporary dance music. To you. So that is an excuse for LFO to keep making the same tracks over and over? I don't buy it. While diehard fans might want an artist to stay in their personal favorite period (to your ears 'the best' period) forever, the vanguard artists will always want (for better or worse) to push a sound forward, especially in a genre like techno that rewards innovation. You can't freeze a musical time period and put it in a bottle and expect to keep progress at the same time. Get over it. How about using some of the same concepts bleep and bassline sound instead of 'rehashing' with out making it sound like stupid tech-house/basic channel/ micro house/broken beat/ stupid stupid stupid. Who said his new material is trying to be something else? If it doesn't sound like old LFO and you're going to be unhappy, well start get disappointed now because it probably doesn't. You could take it up with the artist, see how far you get. Ha ha The stupid labels you mention are just words that became labels for artists pushing things in different directions, thus they got named to separate or highlight them. If they didn't move in different directions, we'd all be stuck in a rut and all electronic dance music (or whatever) would sound much more similar even than it does today. Things change, morph, take in old and new influences and move where the artist wants to take things next, get over it. Techno will never go back to the way it was 10-15 years ago, nor does it need to. Peace, Matt MacQueen
Re: (313) LFO are back!
don't be ridiculous, LFO Frequencies was the best album by the duo. --- Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:41 AM Subject: Re: (313) LFO are back! It doesn't. He already did that album - what's wrong with just listening to that, if it's all you want? He's also done a few better albums since then. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
Re: (313) LFO are back!
- Original Message - From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:30 PM Subject: Re: (313) LFO are back! don't be ridiculous, LFO Frequencies was the best album by the duo. But LFO is no longer a duo, and hasn't been for ages. It's rediculous to expect him to rehash what he was doing over a decade ago. His new stuff sounds way more like Advance than anything they did as a duo, but it is also a huge leap forward from that, or the production work he's been doing in the last few years. Exceedingly complex stuff. I like the old stuff too, and think his best stuff was from the mid-'90s, as Clark, but I am still completely excited for this new album. Certainly one of the most exciting things to happen this year, and really it sounds quite different from anything I've heard to date. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) LFO are back!
On a more serious note I hope this has those signature sub basslines and old school technoid flavor. S. Poindexter Hieroglyphic Being: My Life As A Skinny Puppy and some of the Robert Hood are probably the only records I like this year. --- Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Rob Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:00 AM Subject: (313) LFO are back! morning all, some v.good news, straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.warprecords.com. The long awaited new album from LFO is here. 'Sheath' is released on 22nd September 2003, preceded by a single in August that will make you 'Freak'. The tracks that he played off of this @ ATP were bloody brilliant. I've never agreed with SPW more. Wicked! Warp and LFO both getting back to what they do best. Or atleast, I wanted to run around naked after Mark Bell's set @ Camber Sands. I can't wait to do so for real. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
Re: (313) LFO are back!
- Original Message - From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:41 AM Subject: Re: (313) LFO are back! On a more serious note I hope this has those signature sub basslines and old school technoid flavor. It doesn't. He already did that album - what's wrong with just listening to that, if it's all you want? He's also done a few better albums since then. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) LFO are back!
There is no point in doing LFO again if they are not going to do LFO again(at least in a similar vein). If they are going to do something else then it would probably be a good idea to use a different moniker since LFO is so, well, LFO It would be like Hawtin using the Plastikman moniker to do FUSE stuff or vice-versa. On a more serious note I hope this has those signature sub basslines and old school technoid flavor. It doesn't. He already did that album - what's wrong with just listening to that, if it's all you want? He's also done a few better albums since then. Tristan
Re: (313) LFO are back!
It would be like Hawtin using the Plastikman moniker to do FUSE stuff or vice-versa. wait- there's a difference? ;) On a more serious note I hope this has those signature sub basslines and old school technoid flavor. It doesn't. He already did that album - what's wrong with just listening to that, if it's all you want? He's also done a few better albums since then. Tristan
Re: (313) LFO are back!
- Original Message - From: Rob Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:00 AM Subject: (313) LFO are back! morning all, some v.good news, straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.warprecords.com. The long awaited new album from LFO is here. 'Sheath' is released on 22nd September 2003, preceded by a single in August that will make you 'Freak'. The tracks that he played off of this @ ATP were bloody brilliant. I've never agreed with SPW more. Wicked! Warp and LFO both getting back to what they do best. Or atleast, I wanted to run around naked after Mark Bell's set @ Camber Sands. I can't wait to do so for real. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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you're going to run around naked? :x :D - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rob Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 8:33 PM Subject: Re: (313) LFO are back! - Original Message - From: Rob Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:00 AM Subject: (313) LFO are back! morning all, some v.good news, straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.warprecords.com. The long awaited new album from LFO is here. 'Sheath' is released on 22nd September 2003, preceded by a single in August that will make you 'Freak'. The tracks that he played off of this @ ATP were bloody brilliant. I've never agreed with SPW more. Wicked! Warp and LFO both getting back to what they do best. Or atleast, I wanted to run around naked after Mark Bell's set @ Camber Sands. I can't wait to do so for real. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) LFO are back!
Rob Webb wrote: morning all, some v.good news, straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.warprecords.com. The long awaited new album from LFO is here. 'Sheath' is released on 22nd September 2003, preceded by a single in August that will make you 'Freak'. Rob All i can say is wow. I've been really into the old stuff lately. I can't wait to see what these guys come up with now.
Re: (313) LFO are back!
Hey that's gay, I'm great news! It's about time. --- Rob Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: morning all, some v.good news, straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.warprecords.com. The long awaited new album from LFO is here. 'Sheath' is released on 22nd September 2003, preceded by a single in August that will make you 'Freak'. Rob =
