Re: (313) dbx - giving it to ya raw
Jernej Marusic wrote: While speaking of drum sounds. Does anyone know where did Todd Terry get those tribalish drum sounds used on his old records, that everyone is sampling now (Sims, User, Recycled Loops...). -Yes it's E-MU's SP-1200 sampling drummachine. Check for E-MU machines at: www.drummachine.com/newpages/emu_p.html It's an old HIP-HOP grande classique, when talking about drummachines. Public Enemy used them extensively, and so did everyone who had little more to spend on their drummachines: It was and still IS very expensive. You can search for used SP-1200's and IF someone is willing to sell theirs, it's gonna cost you. ($650-$1500...) E-MU brought that machine back to market few years ago, and it still cost fuck-loads of money. In England it was like 2000£!!! It's a 12-bits sampling machine!!! For that money you could get an AKAI MPC-60 or MPC2000 which are more than simple d-machines But I suppose there is something to love about them, since Todd Terry still uses them (he had a couple if I remember correctly). That low resolution sampling quality is one hit-factor in those old classic Todd Terry tracks for sure, shitty drums and percussion sound so good when you know what you're doing. Those who have heard his Royal House LP know what I'm talking about: it sounds like that whole album was processed thru some lo-fi filter! It sounds so ghetto, that it makes TRAX output sound like a million dollar business! (And that's something ;)) -Proffit Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) dbx - giving it to ya raw
When you don't have much money, you make do with what you have. Techno is empowering because it allows individuals who have less money still be able to afford the means of production, so they can realize their creative spirit. My setup is pretty ghetto, but it's funny how much I end up getting out of it in the end. The Alesis HR16 is one of my weapons of choice for my live PA though. And although I'm biased, I think that being able to bang a ghetto set up is a real art that deserves respect. Original Message Follows From: Danny Wolfers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) dbx - giving it to ya raw Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:51:33 +0200 Of course you get the BOSS drummachines FOR THEIR CRAP SOUNDS! You can get WORD! 808/909 sounds from everywhere, but it's the unique sounds in those machines that make them interesting. It's great to see producers makin' tracks, whole records even, just with a simple drummachine. I know there are lot of people who say you must search for the most extreme and unique sounds as possible, synth your own sounds etc., but I think using what's available at the time is most important. You can make any old shit sound cool if you just analyze what's good about it and what's not, then you use it for it's GOOD features, be it sounds, sequncer, filters etc. Perhaps it's showing us something when most drumpatterns in modern techno -and housemusic are basic, average shit. 4/4 kick, a snare, handclaps and hi-hats, that's all about there is. There's lots of cheap and useful gear, why not use them and make things a little funkier? Funny, I was just thinking about this drummachine-thing and realised that 909s and 808s don't do it for me as much as indeed cheap drummachines such as a Tr505 or Alesis HR16 nowadays which are lot more exotic to hear. I just bought a Roland R5 (a sort of R8 for people withouth money back then) for almost nothing and I am happier with it then I possibly could be with a dozen 909's or MC303 grooveboxes. Its so dirty! the groove is completely deranged and sounds like an old italo disco drummer on some wrong dope. (Know I've heard a lot of people complaining about Rolands lack of tight MIDI triggering on some of their older instruments, but this simply adds realism!) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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I can verify that Cyborg K can bang pretty good with that setup too!!! A big thumbs up for his keyboarding skills, that's to say the least! :) Matt E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://magicmattkelly.tripod.com - Original Message - From: Cyborg K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 5:22 PM Subject: Re: (313) dbx - giving it to ya raw When you don't have much money, you make do with what you have. Techno is empowering because it allows individuals who have less money still be able to afford the means of production, so they can realize their creative spirit. My setup is pretty ghetto, but it's funny how much I end up getting out of it in the end. The Alesis HR16 is one of my weapons of choice for my live PA though. And although I'm biased, I think that being able to bang a ghetto set up is a real art that deserves respect.
RE: (313) dbx - giving it to ya raw
From: environ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Oliver Barkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) dbx - giving it to ya raw Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:10:21 -0400 A must-have for DBX phreaks. Fuck the tens of producers that stole Dan Bell's sound and check out the real deal. Who gave a shit about the RZ1 before him? Uhh... everyone in Chicago. A fellow by the name of Steve Poindextor especially. Yes! Maybe I should have clarified I meant besides Chicago, but I was feeling overzealous as DBX was pumping out of my monitors at the time. I didn't feel the need to mention this as an element of DB's output seems to be a reinterpretation or permutation of some of Chicago's source ideas (most notably SD's Losing Control) - and anyway, most of his records were produced after a lot of Chicago's most memorable track output. Another example is how almost every genre of club music copied at least a part Basic Channel's style even though Basic Channel was reinterpreting and mutating dub. To extend this example, I would have put on a BC record, irrationally posted who gave a shit about dark 7ths, near-subs and Space Echo before BC? and gotten Uhh... Tubby. Scratch. I'd say there is no argument about the worldwide RZ1 explosion happening post-DBX, not post-Poindexter, right? That's not a statement about either producer - it's a statement about the world noticing, digesting and copying a style. Yawn! The point was: go out and check out the new Accelerate double pack, it's dope! Work that. -Now we're waitin for the BOSS 550mkII/660 drummachine mania to sweep over the whole civilized world. Now the only people who actually use (and abuse) the machine are Dance Mania producers and rockmusicians... Hint hint ;) Proffit Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) dbx - giving it to ya raw
-Now we're waitin for the BOSS 550mkII/660 drummachine mania to sweep over the whole civilized world. Now the only people who actually use (and abuse) the machine are Dance Mania producers and rockmusicians... Hint hint ;) Proffit This was the first instrument I picked up, and I got it solely based on the fact it was Squarepusher's only piece of kit for drums..the 550 is pretty lame but the 660 is a great machine, tho basically you're buying a bunch of samples of roland's earlier accomplishments...it's sitting in the corner looking sad these days. I lend it to a friend sometimes who plays only acoustic guitar to use as a glorified click track, it sounds so crap in this setting it's scary. Jason
RE: (313) dbx - giving it to ya raw
A must-have for DBX phreaks. Fuck the tens of producers that stole Dan Bell's sound and check out the real deal. Who gave a shit about the RZ1 before him? Uhh... everyone in Chicago. A fellow by the name of Steve Poindextor especially. Anyone know what Steve is up to? Does anyone know him?? I think he's a genius, an absolute original. Ollie -Original Message- From: environ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 12:53 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) dbx - giving it to ya raw On the decks: ACCELERATE RARE UNRELEASED High Voltage Beep Baby Judy Squelch Schizo Raw Rubber Ducky Losing Control A must-have for DBX phreaks. Fuck the tens of producers that stole Dan Bell's sound and check out the real deal. Who gave a shit about the RZ1 before him? environ * 73 mandeville drive * wayne, NJ 07470-6566 * USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.webspan.net/~environ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, environ wrote: ACCELERATE RARE UNRELEASED Raw yah! This track was done in early '96 I think. I remember when Dan played it here in Dallas when he came with Carl Craig the same year. He played it off a 10 acetate. Boy did that shit sound dope on a loud sound system. DBX Givin' it to ya RAW And the RZ-1 clap is still off the hook. minto
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Sorry if that email sounded like an attack, it wasn't :) So does anyone know anything about Steve P?? No sorry needed! My statement def. needed clarification. Re: SP, last mention I saw was Rise on Djax..? Anything since that? environ * 73 mandeville drive * wayne, NJ 07470-6566 * USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.webspan.net/~environ
RE: (313) dbx - giving it to ya raw
A must-have for DBX phreaks. Fuck the tens of producers that stole Dan Bell's sound and check out the real deal. Who gave a shit about the RZ1 before him? Uhh... everyone in Chicago. A fellow by the name of Steve Poindextor especially. Yes! Maybe I should have clarified I meant besides Chicago, but I was feeling overzealous as DBX was pumping out of my monitors at the time. I didn't feel the need to mention this as an element of DB's output seems to be a reinterpretation or permutation of some of Chicago's source ideas (most notably SD's Losing Control) - and anyway, most of his records were produced after a lot of Chicago's most memorable track output. Another example is how almost every genre of club music copied at least a part Basic Channel's style even though Basic Channel was reinterpreting and mutating dub. To extend this example, I would have put on a BC record, irrationally posted who gave a shit about dark 7ths, near-subs and Space Echo before BC? and gotten Uhh... Tubby. Scratch. I'd say there is no argument about the worldwide RZ1 explosion happening post-DBX, not post-Poindexter, right? That's not a statement about either producer - it's a statement about the world noticing, digesting and copying a style. Yawn! The point was: go out and check out the new Accelerate double pack, it's dope! Work that. environ * 73 mandeville drive * wayne, NJ 07470-6566 * USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.webspan.net/~environ
