RE: (313) retroactive 002
The thing which annoys me is that the clips are so short! How can you tell what something is like from 30 seconds? I rely on the clips quite a bit now as I rarely get to go into town any more and find hearing new music difficult. Anyway, great service from their mail order apart from that. ps somebody needs to tell piccadilly that their soundclips are ridiculously low-fi and crappi. are they trying to accomodate 10 year old modems or something?
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it's a RIAA/BPI thing, any longer and technically they're in breach of licensing or something. rediculous i know. robin... Paul Hudson wrote: The thing which annoys me is that the clips are so short! How can you tell what something is like from 30 seconds? I rely on the clips quite a bit now as I rarely get to go into town any more and find hearing new music difficult. Anyway, great service from their mail order apart from that. ps somebody needs to tell piccadilly that their soundclips are ridiculously low-fi and crappi. are they trying to accomodate 10 year old modems or something?
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- Original Message - From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Paul Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: (313) retroactive 002 it's a RIAA/BPI thing, any longer and technically they're in breach of licensing or something. rediculous i know. You sure? I'd like to see that. I would think any sample in excess of say, 3 seconds would be unauthorised unless there are explicit differneces set out for record shops. Meanwhile, anyone know how most other online shops get away with longer samples? Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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it's a RIAA/BPI thing, You sure? I'd like to see that. I would think any sample in excess of say, 3 seconds would be unauthorised unless there are explicit differneces set out for record shops. Meanwhile, anyone know how most other online shops get away with longer samples? Juno stick to the 30 second thing too. Some sites don't though as you say. I think it was Francis that was telling us about this when we last discussed it. robin...
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Original Message - From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: (313) retroactive 002 it's a RIAA/BPI thing, You sure? I'd like to see that. I would think any sample in excess of say, 3 seconds would be unauthorised unless there are explicit differneces set out for record shops. Meanwhile, anyone know how most other online shops get away with longer samples? Juno stick to the 30 second thing too. Some sites don't though as you say. They may have long ago, but not since they launched the new site. Most samples are 60 seconds-ish now, although some older ones are shorter, and occasionally some are longer. Thing is, I can't think of many other sites that actually stick to a 30 second limit, otherwise I would just assume Juno don't care. Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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I often check excerpts on http://www.cisco-records.co.jp http://www.cisco-records.co.jp/cgi/style.php?qCate=3qStyle=3-68 They are 1:30 to 2 minutes long. ~ KiDDy. - Original Message - From: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:50 PM Subject: (313) Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: (313) retroactive 002 They may have long ago, but not since they launched the new site. Most samples are 60 seconds-ish now, although some older ones are shorter, and occasionally some are longer. Thing is, I can't think of many other sites that actually stick to a 30 second limit, otherwise I would just assume Juno don't care. Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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They can mix in street noise, conversations, and other tracks in the background to mimic shopping at a brick and mortar store. On Mar 29, 2006, at 10:51, robin wrote: They may have long ago, but not since they launched the new site. Most samples are 60 seconds-ish now, although some older ones are shorter, and occasionally some are longer. Thing is, I can't think of many other sites that actually stick to a 30 second limit, otherwise I would just assume Juno don't care. I might have it wrong then. I hope so, I don't like short clips either. Vinyl Underground have a betterwas of doing it as they have long clips often with multiple parts of the track so you get a better feel. In an ideal world though we'd get medium-fi (to prevent people just lifting the track) versions of the whole track to flick through. robin... -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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How about the sound of slightly muffled uplifting trance at +24 volume? Just enough to bleed through the headphone cup so that it interferes with what you're trying to buy. Then it would be just like shopping here. MEK Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED]To robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/06 10:10 AM cc Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject Re: (313) retroactive 002 They can mix in street noise, conversations, and other tracks in the background to mimic shopping at a brick and mortar store. On Mar 29, 2006, at 10:51, robin wrote: They may have long ago, but not since they launched the new site. Most samples are 60 seconds-ish now, although some older ones are shorter, and occasionally some are longer. Thing is, I can't think of many other sites that actually stick to a 30 second limit, otherwise I would just assume Juno don't care. I might have it wrong then. I hope so, I don't like short clips either. Vinyl Underground have a betterwas of doing it as they have long clips often with multiple parts of the track so you get a better feel. In an ideal world though we'd get medium-fi (to prevent people just lifting the track) versions of the whole track to flick through. robin... -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thing is, I can't think of many other sites that actually stick to a 30 second limit, otherwise I would just assume Juno don't care. I might have it wrong then. I hope so, I don't like short clips either. last.fm have in their FAQ that their licenses only allow them to play 30 seconds of any on-demand track
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Oh man, at least I tend to shop when it's either hard pounding schranz or nasty evil breakcore. On Mar 29, 2006, at 11:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about the sound of slightly muffled uplifting trance at +24 volume? Just enough to bleed through the headphone cup so that it interferes with what you're trying to buy. Then it would be just like shopping here. MEK Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED]To robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/06 10:10 AM cc Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject Re: (313) retroactive 002 They can mix in street noise, conversations, and other tracks in the background to mimic shopping at a brick and mortar store. On Mar 29, 2006, at 10:51, robin wrote: They may have long ago, but not since they launched the new site. Most samples are 60 seconds-ish now, although some older ones are shorter, and occasionally some are longer. Thing is, I can't think of many other sites that actually stick to a 30 second limit, otherwise I would just assume Juno don't care. I might have it wrong then. I hope so, I don't like short clips either. Vinyl Underground have a betterwas of doing it as they have long clips often with multiple parts of the track so you get a better feel. In an ideal world though we'd get medium-fi (to prevent people just lifting the track) versions of the whole track to flick through. robin... -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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robin wrote on Wed, 29 Mar 2006 about following: Juno stick to the 30 second thing too. Some sites don't though as you say. hmm, they do? usually they have something like 1m30s to 3m.. never seen less than 1m sample on their site!? ..unless they've switched last week sakke
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Juno stick to the 30 second thing too. Some sites don't though as you say. hmm, they do? usually they have something like 1m30s to 3m.. never seen less than 1m sample on their site!? ..unless they've switched last week i'm just showing that i haven't shopped there for over 18 months i guess. robin...
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I discussed this issue with the head of the MCPS in Scotland a year or so ago- the basic deal is that they treat audio clips on websites to be essentially a fund raising exercise, ie you are trying to sell something (duh!) in the same way a radio station is trying to sell something (advertising in their case) when they play music over the airways- therfore a license fee is due to artists who's music you play in the same way that they get paid if their music gets played on the radio or used in a TV transmission. As far as I remember there is a minimal fee due as long as the clips are under 30 seconds and a more substantial (i.e. truly eye watering) fee if they are of a longer duration- Juno may either be paying the larger fee as they are a pretty substantial organisation or they may just be chancing their luck. Of course, as always with these things, artists from small independent labels rarely see any of the cash collected by the relevant authorities on their behalf and the vast majority goes to Dire Straits, Robbie Williams and the odd bit left over for Tiesto and Joey Negro. cheers Jason On 29 Mar 2006, at 15:36, Tristan Watkins wrote: - Original Message - From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Paul Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: (313) retroactive 002 it's a RIAA/BPI thing, any longer and technically they're in breach of licensing or something. rediculous i know. You sure? I'd like to see that. I would think any sample in excess of say, 3 seconds would be unauthorised unless there are explicit differneces set out for record shops. Meanwhile, anyone know how most other online shops get away with longer samples? Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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hey JT, i don't understand the lofi clip thing either. This appears to be 002 but is different to what boomkat describe http://www.retroactiverecords.us/Someday.htm Bit smooth for me. robin... digging the clips of the new retroactive 12, another garage-y one by livin in soul...especially autumn love... i really liked the one side of the first one too, despite some naysayers :P i dont listen to much garage but i think this stuff is nice and understated and classy...and deep. real nice vox on this 2nd one.. clips at boomkat here http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=21085 ps somebody needs to tell piccadilly that their soundclips are ridiculously low-fi and crappi. are they trying to accomodate 10 year old modems or something?
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hey robin! the retroactive website looks a little out of date. they must have changed retro-002 to the one piccadilly and boomkat now have...the 002 on the retroactive website is nothing special for me either. and the vox are bit cheesey i guess, but i like em somehow. especially the cut-up/dubbed out bits..and i really dig the beats and basslines and rhodes hey JT, i don't understand the lofi clip thing either. This appears to be 002 but is different to what boomkat describe http://www.retroactiverecords.us/Someday.htm Bit smooth for me. robin... digging the clips of the new retroactive 12, another garage-y one by livin in soul...especially autumn love... i really liked the one side of the first one too, despite some naysayers :P i dont listen to much garage but i think this stuff is nice and understated and classy...and deep. real nice vox on this 2nd one.. clips at boomkat here http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=21085 ps somebody needs to tell piccadilly that their soundclips are ridiculously low-fi and crappi. are they trying to accomodate 10 year old modems or something?
