Re: [313] anti-technology
"The spirit of the people is greater than man's technology." (Cleaver) Amen. On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Scotto wrote: > all of the technology in the world will not give you any talent or an > orignal idea. those are left up to the user,and that goes for any insturment > new or old, owning a insturment will not make you musician. you still have > to get out there and live it, make it happen. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] anti-technology
> rebirth is a pretty useful program. with some solid compression, you can > get some pretty pounding rhythms out of it, and if you're imaginative with > your programming, it doesn't need to sound 'classic' anyways. I've used it > before to get some interesting thumb drumming sounds out of it. > And if you take the time to make your own mods- it's kinda like fruity loops with added filtering/effects. p - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] anti-technology
| -Original Message- | From: Christian Bloch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 30 October 2001 19:47 | | > If anyone managed to make | > something decent with Rebirth, which I doubt... | > | | well how about pacou's three 12"s on DJAX-UP? not saying it's his | best work, but decent at least and nothing but rebirth. True - that was a bit of a daft sentence really. I'm pretty archaic, still step-programming away on a casio rz-1, so haven't used Rebirth all that much and didn't realise it actually had been used to make pretty good tracks. I ought to get out more :) Brendan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] anti-technology
> If anyone managed to make > something decent with Rebirth, which I doubt... rebirth is a pretty useful program. with some solid compression, you can get some pretty pounding rhythms out of it, and if you're imaginative with your programming, it doesn't need to sound 'classic' anyways. I've used it before to get some interesting thumb drumming sounds out of it. besides, it instantly makes you a classic plus 8 artist ;-) _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] anti-technology
technology isn't neutral.. it's not purely bad or purely good, but you can't honestly say it's not doing anything to the music agreed the artist is what is important - but you can't say that an artist is the same with a guitar in his hand and with a computer it's not that guns kill people or that people kill people - it's that people with guns kill people... (well some people do it even without the guns ;) Christian Bloch http://mp3.com/bloch http://www.mp313.com/christianbloch.htm Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings/Set.Go/Restructured - Original Message - From: "Analog Headz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [313] anti-technology > technology isnot something u can check in terms of good or bad.. > we have a fact, people can make music with computers,.. its not the > instruments that counts but rather what the artists is doing with them. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] anti-technology
i ment to say there is a change, but we cannot check it now we need some context (a couple of years). AHz - Original Message - From: "Christian Bloch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [313] anti-technology > technology isn't neutral.. it's not purely bad or purely good, but you can't > honestly say it's not doing anything to the music agreed the artist is > what is important - but you can't say that an artist is the same with a > guitar in his hand and with a computer it's not that guns kill people or > that people kill people - it's that people with guns kill people... (well > some people do it even without the guns ;) > > Christian Bloch > http://mp3.com/bloch > http://www.mp313.com/christianbloch.htm > > Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque > Droppings/Set.Go/Restructured > > - Original Message - > From: "Analog Headz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:50 PM > Subject: Re: [313] anti-technology > > > technology isnot something u can check in terms of good or bad.. > > we have a fact, people can make music with computers,.. its not the > > instruments that counts but rather what the artists is doing with them. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] anti-technology
all of the technology in the world will not give you any talent or an orignal idea. those are left up to the user,and that goes for any insturment new or old, owning a insturment will not make you musician. you still have to get out there and live it, make it happen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] anti-technology
first of all, the emphasis should be on the music, not on the insturments. the instruments are the "organon" you cannot make music with out the instruments but, it is only an instrument. many people claim that technology drives civilazation and humanity into progress, and can only help the human race. as i feel it in the long term technology isnot something u can check in terms of good or bad. we have a fact, people can make music with computers, i can still remeber doing an article for a professor which was about "electronic music" and if sample based music is real music. my conclusion was that its not the instruments that counts but rather what the artists is doing with them.same goes with digital music. its even more then that with this technology i can even start my own radio station (something i cannot do in the REAL radio since my country sucks big time). but there`s a price to pay as allways. and we keep paying it every day. AH - Original Message - From: "Bulger, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Samuel Hobbs'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: RE: [313] anti-technology > " the only thing that is happening is that more and > more people are able to create with this new > technology. many may ask how is this good? i ask how > can it be bad. > -sam" > > Music is not like your child's first crayon picture. Being enabled to > create by a piece of software is not equivalent to being able to create. > More people creating because they _can_, instead of because they feel the > need (read, inspired) to is more likely to increase the amount of > uninspired, lackluster music out there (those records you put back in the > bin and try to forget about). I hear the argument that this will help > people who didn't know they had the ability to create music to discover it, > but are the ends worth the means? > > > -Original Message- > From: Samuel Hobbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:29 AM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: [313] anti-technology > > >i have wondered recently about the fears of > technology. ever since the beginning of the use of > fire, people have sought to simplify their lives by > combining and simplifying processes. computers are > only the most recent example of this process. music > that was once only with the physical manipulation of > air is now possible with the tweaking of knobs and > buttons. entire symphonies can now be written on > computer and less and less organic, "real" music is > being made today. is this a problem... >i think that technological advances lead people > into a realm of unknown territory, where the rules are > altered. ultimately those who acclimate themselves to > these rules are those who succeed. >in this issue of technology and music, i think it > is necessary to agree that there is no loss here. no > one person is prevented from expressing themselves in > musical terms with this advent of new technology. now > one is prevented or chastized for using established > methods. in fact "old school" recording methods are > probably considered chic by most on this list. >the only thing that is happening is that more and > more people are able to create with this new > technology. many may ask how is this good? i ask how > can it be bad. > -sam > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] anti-technology
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:47 PM Subject: RE: [313] anti-technology > If anyone managed to make > something decent with Rebirth, which I doubt... > well how about pacou's three 12"s on DJAX-UP? not saying it's his best work, but decent at least and nothing but rebirth. Christian Bloch http://mp3.com/bloch http://www.mp313.com/christianbloch.htm Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings/Set.Go/Restructured - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] anti-technology
So, you would deny people who have no intention of having their "creations" made public the ablility to compose and create? Please correct me if I'm making a bad assumption. Not everyone who uses the tools to create are after a big fat record deal or whatever. I'm not one to deny anyone anything with regards to being creative. I do like to think we as humans are creative in our own way. Music may not be the avenue for all to express that creativity. I know quite a few on this list are "elitists" and I have no problem with that. It's when you start implying that only a select few should be able to express themselves in a musical fashion and that if it doesn't conform to your idea of what is "musically acceptable" then it has no value... That's when I have to disagree Jim J. - Original Message - From: "Bulger, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Samuel Hobbs'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:47 PM Subject: RE: [313] anti-technology > Music is not like your child's first crayon picture. Being enabled to > create by a piece of software is not equivalent to being able to create. > More people creating because they _can_, instead of because they feel the > need (read, inspired) to is more likely to increase the amount of > uninspired, lackluster music out there (those records you put back in the > bin and try to forget about). I hear the argument that this will help > people who didn't know they had the ability to create music to discover it, > but are the ends worth the means? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] anti-technology
||We could always go back to making our own equipment.. Then only highly skilled electronic engineers would be able ||to make music Actually, it's not that hard; with all the various kits on the market it's as simple as buying a soldering iron and following the printed directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] anti-technology
| -Original Message- | From: Bulger, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:48 PM | | Music is not like your child's first crayon picture. Being enabled to | create by a piece of software is not equivalent to being able | to create. | More people creating because they _can_, instead of because | they feel the | need (read, inspired) to is more likely to increase the amount of | uninspired, lackluster music out there (those records you put | back in the bin and try to forget about)... What harm do those records actually do anyway? OK, so more of these crappy records come out. If they're really god-awful people won't buy them. I'd rather live in a world with a vast plethora of mediocre music, a sonic primordial soup, out of which some real gems will evolve. People who think that the increasing ease of producing electronic music is a bad thing are pretty confusing to me. We could always go back to making our own equipment and programming drum patterns hard onto circuit boards, with soldering irons. Then only highly skilled electronic engineers would be able to make music - it'd be just like the 1950s, with only two electronic albums released every year! Wouldn't that be great? It shouldn't bother people that lots of music is made that they don't like. Rebirth kiddies are hardly respected or lauded anywhere, just as kids wearing Body Rap kits in the 1980s hardly made it to the giddy heights of fame. Quality control always comes into play... but I'd rather buy a decent piece of music made with Rebirth than a po-faced and turgid piece made using Russolo's 1920s instrumentation, to be honest. If anyone managed to make something decent with Rebirth, which I doubt... Brendan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] anti-technology
" the only thing that is happening is that more and more people are able to create with this new technology. many may ask how is this good? i ask how can it be bad. -sam" Music is not like your child's first crayon picture. Being enabled to create by a piece of software is not equivalent to being able to create. More people creating because they _can_, instead of because they feel the need (read, inspired) to is more likely to increase the amount of uninspired, lackluster music out there (those records you put back in the bin and try to forget about). I hear the argument that this will help people who didn't know they had the ability to create music to discover it, but are the ends worth the means? -Original Message- From: Samuel Hobbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:29 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] anti-technology i have wondered recently about the fears of technology. ever since the beginning of the use of fire, people have sought to simplify their lives by combining and simplifying processes. computers are only the most recent example of this process. music that was once only with the physical manipulation of air is now possible with the tweaking of knobs and buttons. entire symphonies can now be written on computer and less and less organic, "real" music is being made today. is this a problem... i think that technological advances lead people into a realm of unknown territory, where the rules are altered. ultimately those who acclimate themselves to these rules are those who succeed. in this issue of technology and music, i think it is necessary to agree that there is no loss here. no one person is prevented from expressing themselves in musical terms with this advent of new technology. now one is prevented or chastized for using established methods. in fact "old school" recording methods are probably considered chic by most on this list. the only thing that is happening is that more and more people are able to create with this new technology. many may ask how is this good? i ask how can it be bad. -sam __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
