Re: v13 on Sierra?

[Tim Nevels]

On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Douglas von Roeder wrote:

> Parallels allows us to run OS X but there was a licensing issue with one
> version of OS X - not sure which version (10.x.x) or if it was OS X vs OS X
> Server.
> 
> Did you see anything about that in your research?

Hi Doug,

Well I remember there was an issue with 10.6 and you would get a message from 
Parallels and not allow it. I installed 10.6 Server, I have the DVD, so I 
didn’t have any problem. 

I did a quick search and found this in Parallels KB:  
http://kb.parallels.com/en/112323  So it was a know issue with 10.6. 

This link  http://kb.parallels.com/en/118806  talks about 10.9 specifically and 
makes no mention of it not being allowed or not working. 

So I think it is cool. Parallels is allowing it. If there was a problem I’m 
sure Parallels would have put in a software block to not allow it like they did 
with 10.6.

Tim


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Re: 4D v15 & Mac OS Sierra

[James Crate]

On Sep 21, 2016, at 5:44 PM, Tom Dillon  wrote:
> 
> 4D v15.2 & Mac OS Sierra
> 
> Is anyone else using Sierra yet and are they experiencing spinning 
> psychedelic pizza of death delays in the form editor?
> 
> Clicking on a form object takes about five seconds before it's selected. Ay 
> ideas on what might help this or why I upgraded to Sierra so fast?

The same problem has been reported many times on El Capitan, so it’s not new 
with Sierra.

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Re: Expunging Char (0)

[Chip Scheide]

Doug,
if I am reading this correctly 
(http://kb.4d.com/resources/inug?msgid=GmailId14980bbd87790d18
) -
Keisuke is saying...

SET TEXT TO PASTEBOARD($text)
$text:=Get text from pasteboard

apply to your text field(s)



Also I found this on game (12 years ago - from Pat Bensky)

Here is some code to strip gremlins. You might not need some bits - 
e.g.,
the removal of leading and trailing spaces.

  ` GremlinsRemove
  ` 29/01/02 pb
  ` Deletes "gremlins" from text -- e.g.
  ` embedded tabs, spaces at beg. or end, line ends etc.
  ` parameters: $1 = pointer to the data to be checked
  ` (could be a field or variable)

C_TEXT($text;$tOutput)
C_LONGINT($i;$length;$type)

$type:=Type($1->)

If (($type=Is Text ) | ($type=Is Alpha Field ) | ($type=Is String Var ))
If (Length($1->)>0)
$text:=$1->

  ` first remove leading spaces
While (Ascii($text¾1„)=32)
$text:=Substring($text;2)
End while

  ` then remove all trailing spaces
While (Ascii($text¾Length($text)„)=32)
$text:=Substring($text;1;Length($text)-1)
End while


  ` Then remove all embedded gremlins
  ` Nothing below ASCII 32 (space) should be allowed, except
  ` 13 (CR) but only in text, not strings
$length:=Length($text)
$tOutput:=""
For ($i;1;$length)
Case of
: (($type=Is Text ) & (Ascii($text¾$i„)=13))  ` this is
allowed
$tOutput:=$tOutput+$text¾$i„

: (Ascii($text¾$i„)=13)
$tOutput:=$tOutput+" "

: (Ascii($text¾$i„)<32)
  ` not allowed
Else
$tOutput:=$tOutput+$text¾$i„
End case
End for

$1->:=$tOutput
End if   ` length > 0
End if   ` type = text or string


On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:19:14 -0700, Douglas von Roeder wrote:
> I've hit a situation in a legacy application that has records with alpha
> and text fields that contain numerous non-printing characters. The
> non-printing characters are causing non-printing.
> 
> How do I go about finding the records the have invalid characters and
> deleting the Char(0)?
> 
> One approach would be Query by formula checking to see if the position of
> Char(0)>0 but that seems to be a painfully resource intensive approach.
> 
> Another tack would be to update the trigger code but that means I only get
> cleaned up data if the record is modified.
> 
> Thoughts, comments, suggestions, etc. on this issue are welcome.
> 
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Re: v13 on Sierra?

[Tim Nevels]

On Sep 21, 2016, at 4:44 PM, Chip Scheide wrote:

> don't feel bad...
> OS 10.6.8 and still have v2003 to support.
> 
> As soon as I can get them to v12 (in testing now) off to 10.9

But I do feel bad and I’m missing out on some cool macOS features. Like taking 
calls for my iPhone on my Mac. I would really like to be able to do that. But 
you can’t with 10.9. 

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Re: 4D v15 & Mac OS Sierra

[Tom Dillon]

One thing that helps: Close the Properties list. Not much help, but it might 
help when you just need to move things around.

Tom Dillon wrote:

>4D v15.2 & Mac OS Sierra
>
>Is anyone else using Sierra yet and are they experiencing spinning
>psychedelic pizza of death delays in the form editor?
>
>Clicking on a form object takes about five seconds before it's selected.
>Ay ideas on what might help this or why I upgraded to Sierra so fast?

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4D v15 & Mac OS Sierra

[Tom Dillon]

4D v15.2 & Mac OS Sierra

Is anyone else using Sierra yet and are they experiencing spinning psychedelic 
pizza of death delays in the form editor?

Clicking on a form object takes about five seconds before it's selected. Ay 
ideas on what might help this or why I upgraded to Sierra so fast?

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Re: v12 - Which is faster?

[Chuck Miller]

Why would you want to load record across network

Let’s say I have array with 100 elements.

I query with array get 100 record

do a distinct values get 100 elements voila you are done

do a distinct value and get 99 records OH OH you have as problem

you might also query index not sure of command.

With this few records, to probably doesn’t make any difference time wise but 
with larger selections (in  tens of thousands I bet it would)

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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Peter Bozek  wrote:
> 
> Not sure I understand problem, but why you want to use query at all? You
> can sort selection, step through records and check if any two items are
> same?

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Re: Expunging Char (0)

[Chip Scheide]

Doug,
this might be more then you think...
as I recall there are a number of non-printing characters in unicode
char(0) through char(31) except Char(10), char(13)

so it may not be a "simple" 
Query by formula([table];position(char(0);[table]field)>0)

It may actually be a case of
do any of the characters in any text field in my database match any of 
these prohibited characters in this list.

I had some old code to locate and exterminate gremlins (same idea, 
older systems) but it does not seem to be handy. That code may have 
come from the nug, you could check the archives...

If i find it - I'll forward it to you.

Chip
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:19:14 -0700, Douglas von Roeder wrote:
> I've hit a situation in a legacy application that has records with alpha
> and text fields that contain numerous non-printing characters. The
> non-printing characters are causing non-printing.
> 
> How do I go about finding the records the have invalid characters and
> deleting the Char(0)?
> 
> One approach would be Query by formula checking to see if the position of
> Char(0)>0 but that seems to be a painfully resource intensive approach.
> 
> Another tack would be to update the trigger code but that means I only get
> cleaned up data if the record is modified.
> 
> Thoughts, comments, suggestions, etc. on this issue are welcome.
> 
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Expunging Char (0)

[Douglas von Roeder]

I've hit a situation in a legacy application that has records with alpha
and text fields that contain numerous non-printing characters. The
non-printing characters are causing non-printing.

How do I go about finding the records the have invalid characters and
deleting the Char(0)?

One approach would be Query by formula checking to see if the position of
Char(0)>0 but that seems to be a painfully resource intensive approach.

Another tack would be to update the trigger code but that means I only get
cleaned up data if the record is modified.

Thoughts, comments, suggestions, etc. on this issue are welcome.

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Re: v12 - Which is faster?

[Peter Bozek]

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:44 PM, Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org>
wrote:

> Table has about 150k records
> query with array is performed on table
> a number of records are in selection, but always <100.
> record data is in cache.
> Client/Server
>
> It is necessary to step through the selection to insure that only one
> record exists
> for each array element in the query with array, and if true, do some
> processing.
>
> Which is faster/better?
> is there a difference?
>
>
> Query([table][table]index_Field=value)
> or
> use set
> Query selection([table];[table]Indexed_field=value)
>

Not sure I understand problem, but why you want to use query at all? You
can sort selection, step through records and check if any two items are
same?

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Re: v12 - Which is faster?

[Chuck Miller]

I would modify as follows
set query destination into a variable 
query table
check variable

You might also query with array

distinct values. If records in selection count = query with array count and 
distinct values count also equals, you have only one record each



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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 4:44 PM, Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Query([table][table]index_Field=value)
> or
> use set
> Query selection([table];[table]Indexed_field=value)

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RE: v12 - Which is faster?

[Dennis, Neil]

Try both ways with a timer... but my money is on Query table without the use 
set.

Let us know.

Neil





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Re: v13 on Sierra?

[Tim Nevels]

On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Douglas von Roeder wrote:

> I have a customer who wants to (re)start using their 4D app on the Mac.
> After reading some of the comments here, we've decided to *not* release on
> V13 and are using this as the opportunity to do the upgrade to V15.x/V16.
> 
> The primary reason for this decision is that I read multiple reports of 4D
> V13.5 crashing on 10.11 when quitting or when switching applications. I was
> very relieved that my client agreed with me that it's not good to release a
> version of software when we know it will crash under routine use.

I’m still running Mavericks 10.9.5 on my development machine. Why? Because I 
have one active client still running v12, and one running v13. I also have some 
on v14 and v15. macOS 10.9 works great with all these version of 4D. No random 
crashing. 

I would love to upgrade to a newer macOS version but I don’t want to put up 
with “issues” while still developing on v12 and v13. 

I believe I read somewhere that v16 will required macOS 10.10 as a minimum. Tim 
Penner, can you confirm that? So I will have to upgrade before I can use that.

I’m in the process of upgrading the v13 client to v15 so that issue will 
resolve itself. But the v12 client is a problem. Gonna have to figure out a way 
to get them to upgrade. 

I hate being so far behind on macOS versions, but I choose a sable work 
environment over the new macOS versions. 

Tim


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Re: v13 on Sierra?

[Jim Labos - infobase]

Thanks to all that replied. I will recommend to not use Sierra.

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Re: v13 on Sierra?

[Keith Culotta]

Many years ago the Mac version of 4D had a bug that caused it to crash when the 
open windows were closed using option-key/closebox-click.  I think of that each 
time I use the technique.

Keith - CDI

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Douglas von Roeder  wrote:
> 
> Customers forget a version that was delivered late. Customers do *not*
> forget a version that has bugs.
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Re: v13 on Sierra?

[Ed Glassgow]

Hey all,

I am running my engineering company on Version 13.6 (Windows server and mostly 
Windows clients, but with a couple of Mac clients, including myself).  
Unfortunately, 13.6 running on MacOS 12 Sierra is unpredictably unstable.  It 
is frustrating because it is almost useable, but will occasionally just quit.  
I can relaunch and do exactly the same thing that I was previously doing and it 
works just fine.  I have not been able to come up with any way to predict when 
it will go away, it just does.  Sucks!

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On 9/21/16, 12:13 PM, "4D_Tech on behalf of Douglas von Roeder" 
<4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com on behalf of dvonroe...@gmail.com> wrote:

Jim:

I have a customer who wants to (re)start using their 4D app on the Mac.
After reading some of the comments here, we've decided to *not* release on
V13 and are using this as the opportunity to do the upgrade to V15.x/V16.

The primary reason for this decision is that I read multiple reports of 4D
V13.5 crashing on 10.11 when quitting or when switching applications. I was
very relieved that my client agreed with me that it's not good to release a
version of software when we know it will crash under routine use.

Customers forget a version that was delivered late. Customers do *not*
forget a version that has bugs.



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wrote:

> I have a customer that is asking if v13 will work on Sierra.
>
> I admit I didn't look too hard yet but anyone know if it's at least OK (I
> have v13 on El Capitan and the only problem is in desgn mode it will quit
> on
> me randomly but seldom).
>
> Thanks
>
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>
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Re: v13 on Sierra?

[Douglas von Roeder]

Jim:

I have a customer who wants to (re)start using their 4D app on the Mac.
After reading some of the comments here, we've decided to *not* release on
V13 and are using this as the opportunity to do the upgrade to V15.x/V16.

The primary reason for this decision is that I read multiple reports of 4D
V13.5 crashing on 10.11 when quitting or when switching applications. I was
very relieved that my client agreed with me that it's not good to release a
version of software when we know it will crash under routine use.

Customers forget a version that was delivered late. Customers do *not*
forget a version that has bugs.



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> I have a customer that is asking if v13 will work on Sierra.
>
> I admit I didn't look too hard yet but anyone know if it's at least OK (I
> have v13 on El Capitan and the only problem is in desgn mode it will quit
> on
> me randomly but seldom).
>
> Thanks
>
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v13 on Sierra?

[Jim Labos - infobase]

I have a customer that is asking if v13 will work on Sierra.

I admit I didn't look too hard yet but anyone know if it's at least OK (I
have v13 on El Capitan and the only problem is in desgn mode it will quit on
me randomly but seldom).

Thanks

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Re: v13 - what is happening here, extra Quotation mark

[Spencer Hinsdale]

yes, I think this needs to be "\\"


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> 
> Hi,
> 
> Off the top of my head, is the \ character possibly acting as an escape 
> character?
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v13 - what is happening here, extra Quotation mark

[Chip Scheide]

line of code:
Replace string([System_Prefs]File_Storage_Location;"\";$Path_Seperator)"
see quote at the end of the line?
If I delete it I get an syntax error mark in the method editor
hitting enter places the quote mark there?!?!

Chip
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Re: v13+ - Progress component

[Chip Scheide]

Thanks Doug!

On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 14:40:10 -0700, Douglas von Roeder wrote:
> Chip:
> 
> I you're using the 4D component, call Progress QUIT (0) to close all.
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> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> How do you get rid of the progress bar window (and all potentially open
>> progress meters inside it)
>> if the process(es) in which the progress was opened are aborted (for
>> example during debugging)?
>> 
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