Re: What to do about users who won't follow instructions?

[David Adams via 4D_Tech]

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

>
> Let me know what you think...
>

Awesome! Thanks for sharing the pictures, they really get your idea across.
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Re: [offish]Volume of mail

[Roger Reed – Illus House via 4D_Tech]

I was shocked to see how few attendees there were at the Tour stop in New 
Jersey a couple years ago.  My impression is that the developer- and user-base 
is way too small, considering how good 4D is. But considering the endless 
learning curve, and obsolescence of earlier databases, I shouldn’t be so 
surprised. The determination of our great leaders to improve the product is 
both frustrating and inspiring.

Nevertheless, considering the community as a whole — including Wakanda — and 
the eventuality of two things: the integration of 4D with Wakanda somehow, and 
the 4D command set becoming its own robust language somehow, it could someday 
catch fire as a widely appealing platform. That’s my hope.

Roger

> On Oct 5, 2017, at 15:44, Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I think we’re all too lazy to get up and move all the way over to the 4D 
> forums.
> 
> I do go there for research and find the forums much more active, and with far 
> many more users than we see here.
> 
> And with 4D themselves pushing us in that direction, I see more and more of 
> us who have been on this list for 20+ years posting less and less here.
> 
> I don’t think it’s a diminished community because the forums certainly seem 
> to be thriving, and I have to admit the ability to add links and images and 
> so on makes it easier to illustrate our problems. What I _don’t_ like is that 
> it’s much more work to get it done.
> 
> I think mailing lists are just a thing of the past and a few of us are 
> holding on for all we’re worth.
> 
> Randy
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> 
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> Inc • 57 Ludlow Lane • Palisades, NY 10964 
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> 
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> 
>> On Oct 5, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I know that many of you have been on this list for a long time, as have 
>> I.
>> 
>> I have noticed, over the past couple of years, that the volume of email 
>> on this list has dropped - a lot -. It used to be, that if I was out of 
>> the office, or whatever, and unable/unwilling to check email for 1 or 
>> more days, I could expect to see ~100 emails/day from this list. While 
>> I have not done an actual count, I believe that currently this list 
>> sees, on average about 100 emails a week.
>> 
>> While this might be a good thing (less bugs to report/talk about etc), 
>> I find it troubling in that it likely reflects a significantly 
>> diminished use of the 4D product.
>> 
>> Thoughts, Anyone?
>> Chip
> 
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Re: [offish]Volume of mail

[Richard Wright via 4D_Tech]

Perhaps it’s partially due to the fact that some post mysteriously never get 
through and also do not bounce back. I’m having that problem right now with 
another message I’ve tried posting twice and am waiting to hear back from the 
list boss. In between, I posted a “test” message which went through immediately.


> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:52:47 -0400
> From: Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org>
> 
> I know that many of you have been on this list for a long time, as have 
> I.
> 
> I have noticed, over the past couple of years, that the volume of email 
> on this list has dropped - a lot -. It used to be, that if I was out of 
> the office, or whatever, and unable/unwilling to check email for 1 or 
> more days, I could expect to see ~100 emails/day from this list. While 
> I have not done an actual count, I believe that currently this list 
> sees, on average about 100 emails a week.
> 
> While this might be a good thing (less bugs to report/talk about etc), 
> I find it troubling in that it likely reflects a significantly 
> diminished use of the 4D product.
> 
> Thoughts, Anyone?
> Chip



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Re: [offish]Volume of mail

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

Correlation does not imply causation.

We have a lot of 4D developers working here, but I'm on the only who 
participates actively in the list. Also, 4D has a lot fewer "issues" these days 
than in the old days.

The user base is definitely a lot smaller compared to the gay 90s, but we've 
all known that for awhile. 4D remains alive and kicking and improving the 
product in surprising ways.

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jeffrey.k...@gmail.com

> On Oct 5, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> While this might be a good thing (less bugs to report/talk about etc), 
> I find it troubling in that it likely reflects a significantly 
> diminished use of the 4D product.

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Re: [offish]Volume of mail

[Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech]

I think we’re all too lazy to get up and move all the way over to the 4D forums.

I do go there for research and find the forums much more active, and with far 
many more users than we see here.

And with 4D themselves pushing us in that direction, I see more and more of us 
who have been on this list for 20+ years posting less and less here.

I don’t think it’s a diminished community because the forums certainly seem to 
be thriving, and I have to admit the ability to add links and images and so on 
makes it easier to illustrate our problems. What I _don’t_ like is that it’s 
much more work to get it done.

I think mailing lists are just a thing of the past and a few of us are holding 
on for all we’re worth.

Randy

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Senior Programmer and Customer Support

http://printpoint.com  • 845.687.3741 • PrintPoint, Inc 
• 57 Ludlow Lane • Palisades, NY 10964 





> On Oct 5, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com 
> > wrote:
> 
> I know that many of you have been on this list for a long time, as have 
> I.
> 
> I have noticed, over the past couple of years, that the volume of email 
> on this list has dropped - a lot -. It used to be, that if I was out of 
> the office, or whatever, and unable/unwilling to check email for 1 or 
> more days, I could expect to see ~100 emails/day from this list. While 
> I have not done an actual count, I believe that currently this list 
> sees, on average about 100 emails a week.
> 
> While this might be a good thing (less bugs to report/talk about etc), 
> I find it troubling in that it likely reflects a significantly 
> diminished use of the 4D product.
> 
> Thoughts, Anyone?
> Chip

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Re: [offish]Volume of mail

[Paul Lovejoy via 4D_Tech]

Chip,

I've noticed the same thing. 

Sadly I think your suspicions are founded. 

4D doesn't share much information in the way of marketing statistics. 

Paul 



> On 5 oct. 2017, at 18:52, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I know that many of you have been on this list for a long time, as have 
> I.
> 
> I have noticed, over the past couple of years, that the volume of email 
> on this list has dropped - a lot -. It used to be, that if I was out of 
> the office, or whatever, and unable/unwilling to check email for 1 or 
> more days, I could expect to see ~100 emails/day from this list. While 
> I have not done an actual count, I believe that currently this list 
> sees, on average about 100 emails a week.
> 
> While this might be a good thing (less bugs to report/talk about etc), 
> I find it troubling in that it likely reflects a significantly 
> diminished use of the 4D product.
> 
> Thoughts, Anyone?
> Chip
> 
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> Alcohol is for drinkin'
> Nitromethane is for racing 
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[offish]Volume of mail

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

I know that many of you have been on this list for a long time, as have 
I.

I have noticed, over the past couple of years, that the volume of email 
on this list has dropped - a lot -. It used to be, that if I was out of 
the office, or whatever, and unable/unwilling to check email for 1 or 
more days, I could expect to see ~100 emails/day from this list. While 
I have not done an actual count, I believe that currently this list 
sees, on average about 100 emails a week.

While this might be a good thing (less bugs to report/talk about etc), 
I find it troubling in that it likely reflects a significantly 
diminished use of the 4D product.

Thoughts, Anyone?
Chip

---
Gas is for washing parts
Alcohol is for drinkin'
Nitromethane is for racing 
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RE: 4D v16.2 false record locks

[Dennis, Neil via 4D_Tech]

> Now in the context of this thread, this appears to be an anomaly?

Not an anomaly.

I have found the same great service, even with a tough bug... we had a problem 
with web packets not being delivered. We had wireshark captures and web logs 
showing the problem but could not reproduce it outside of our environment.

I submitted the issue with 4D, the worked with me and within a few days had a 
system on their end to be able to reproduce the problem and reported it as a 
bug. I'm expecting the 16.3 to have the fix.

Other bugs I have submitted have also been fixed in a timely manner and I was 
kept in the loop the entire process.

I think they are doing a great job.

Neil





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RE: What to do about users who won't follow instructions?

[Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech]

Everyone,

Well, I never anticipated so much interest in our DMM Training Center concept, 
so it took me a little off-guard.

Due to all the requests, I have shared a couple screen shots of this at the 
following:

https://www.screencast.com/t/7hfZHYefaXbq

A brief overview of what you are looking at:

The first image is an example of a video we produced, in this case it concerns 
how to install new license codes.  If you look at the HL on the left you can 
see what type of documents are available by category, along with the type of 
document.  All you do is select the document of interest and it is displayed.  
In the example shown above, the video is loaded and automatically starts 
playing.

The second screen shot of what you receive when selecting a PDF document.

I just wanted to develop something which was easy to access from within our 
sofwtare, plus the ability for our organization to dynamically update everyone 
at the same time, without having to release new versions.

Let me know what you think...

Best,


Steve

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From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] On Behalf Of Tim Nevels via 
4D_Tech
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 8:01 PM
To: 4d_tech@lists.4d.com
Cc: Tim Nevels 
Subject: Re: What to do about users who won't follow instructions?

On Oct 4, 2017, at 7:54 PM, David Adams  wrote:

> That sounds *awesome*. Any chance that you would do a 4DMETHOD or 4D Summit
> presentation on this?

I agree with David. I’d love to see how all this works. I’d love to add this to 
one of my existing 4D applications.

Tim


Tim Nevels
Innovative Solutions
785-749-3444
timnev...@mac.com


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RE: What to do about users who won't follow instructions?

[Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 4D_Tech]

Did you read this: http://www.clarify-it.com/blog/the-future-of-clarify: The 
Future (or Lack Thereof) of Clarify and Clarify-it.com

Regards
Lutz

> 
> For short documentation/training, I use Clarify:
> 
> http://www.clarify-it.com/learn 
> 
> It is on Mac & Windows.
> 
> Great product with good training.
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