Re: Delay process bug

2018-03-31 Thread Keith Goebel via 4D_Tech 
> On 1/04/2018, at 7:00 am, Jeffrey Kain wrote:
> So, the Delay Process bug hit two servers within an hour of each other this 
> morning, after months of not having the issue.  It was weird that both of 
> them hit the bug this morning within a short period of time of each other.
> This was on 16.3 HF2, so the latest and greatest...

Hi all - this is just an FYI…
Using 4D v16.3 on Win, we have confirmed that a particular stored procedure 
(background tasks) running on “Client” will freeze whereas if it is run on the 
server it does not. 
I’ve been away for a short while but hope to work with 4D soon to try to narrow 
down the cause.
Cheers, Keith
**
4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
FAQ:  http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
Archive:  http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
Unsub:  mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
**

Re: 4d16 r6 documentation

2018-03-31 Thread John Baughman via 4D_Tech 
Oooops. I thought you were someone else. 

It was late, I was tired, and I had just finished working the 61st Hawaii State 
Science & Engineering Fair run and organized each year by the Hawaii Academy of 
Science (HAS). 4D is at the center of the fair’s year round management. During 
the fair over the past few years I have worked closely with a volunteer named 
Jeremy who handles the computer hardware and networking at the convention 
center.  Earlier in the day yesterday he had shown an interest in learning 4D. 
So late last night when I saw your message I jumped to the conclusion that you 
were him. :-)

Sorry for the confusion. 

John Baughman
Kailua, Hawaii
john...@hawaii.rr.com

> On Mar 31, 2018, at 1:48 AM, Jeremy Roussak  wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> I’m aware of the release structure. As the subject line of my email shows, 
> what I’m looking for is the HTML documentation for v16 r6. As you know, there 
> are new features and commands in r6 which aren’t present in 16.3 and hence 
> are not covered by the 16.3 documentation.
> 
> I have the HTML documentation for R4, which I downloaded from somewhere a few 
> months ago. I’d like to download the equivalent, updated documentation for R6.
> 
> So, does anyone know if it’s available and if so, where?
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> Jeremy Roussak
> j...@mac.com
> 
> 
> 
**
4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
FAQ:  http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
Archive:  http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
Unsub:  mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
**

Delay process bug

2018-03-31 Thread Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech 
So, the Delay Process bug hit two servers within an hour of each other this 
morning, after months of not having the issue.  It was weird that both of them 
hit the bug this morning within a short period of time of each other.

This was on 16.3 HF2, so the latest and greatest...
**
4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
FAQ:  http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
Archive:  http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
Unsub:  mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
**

Re: 4d16 r6 documentation

2018-03-31 Thread Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech 
It does, but not in downloadable form. The link at the top right is to the 16.3 
stuff. I like having the HTML files locally.

Jeremy


Jeremy Roussak
j...@mac.com

On 31 Mar 2018, 13:45 +0100, Mike Goldsmith via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>, 
wrote:
> Jeremy
>
> Your link brought me to the tab for 16 r6, so 4D must hae just added the r6 
> docs.
>
> mike goldsmith
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 31, 2018, at 7:48 AM, Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech 
> > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I’m aware of the release structure. As the subject line of my email shows, 
> > what I’m looking for is the HTML documentation for v16 r6. As you know, 
> > there are new features and commands in r6 which aren’t present in 16.3 and 
> > hence are not covered by the 16.3 documentation.
> >
> > I have the HTML documentation for R4, which I downloaded from somewhere a 
> > few months ago. I’d like to download the equivalent, updated documentation 
> > for R6.
> >
> > So, does anyone know if it’s available and if so, where?
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> > Jeremy Roussak
> > j...@mac.com
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 31 Mar 2018, at 10:04, John Baughman via 4D_Tech 
> > > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > The link in your email shows all the versions currently supported by 4D. 
> > > What were you looking for? v16.3 is the latest version you are going to 
> > > find for download (see below). If you want to learn as a developer, I 
> > > recommend you read any version of the Design Reference Manual (LRM) and 
> > > Design Reference Manual (DRM). So v16.3 would be a perfectly good choice. 
> > > Later you can read the what’s new document for v17 when it comes out. I 
> > > learned 4D by reading the LRM. Read enough of the DRM and their getting 
> > > started stuff to create a practice database and practice what you read as 
> > > you go through the LRM. There are videos available on YouTube.
> > >
> > > Below is an explanation of their versioning structure.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > 16 is the latest shipping version of 4D and .3 is the latest version of 
> > > v16. Dot releases contain only bug fixes.
> > >
> > > R releases are the pre-releases of the next shipping version (v17). v16R6 
> > > is the latest R version which can be used by developers as well as users 
> > > under maintenance contract, which HAS is. Each R version goes through a 
> > > beta version available to developers in their beta program, which I am.
> > >
> > > v17 is expected to be released within the next few months at which time 
> > > v14 will be dropped as a supported version. I plan to upgrade HAS to R6 
> > > when I get back from DC. I usually wait 2 to 3 months before deploying 
> > > any newly released version to my clients. Sooner if there is something in 
> > > the release that is compelling or fixes a bug that is affecting the 
> > > client.
> > >
> > > John Baughman
> > > Kailua, Hawaii
> > > john...@hawaii.rr.com
> > >
> > > > On Mar 30, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech 
> > > > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is the HTML version downloadable from somewhere? The link on the 
> > > > doc.4d.com  page gets stuff for v16.3, which isn’t 
> > > > what I was hoping for.
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy Roussak
> > > > j...@mac.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > **
> > > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
> > > > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
> > > > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
> > > > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
> > > > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
> > > > **
> > > **
> > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
> > > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
> > > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
> > > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
> > > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
> > > **
> >
> > **
> > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
> > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
> > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
> > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
> > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
> > **
> **
> 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
> FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
> Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
> Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
> Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
> **
**
4D

Re: 4d16 r6 documentation

2018-03-31 Thread Jeremy French via 4D_Tech 
What is “HAS”?

See:
"which HAS is.” — 1st paragraph below
"I plan to upgrade HAS” — 2nd paragraph below


> On Mar 31, 2018, at 5:04 AM, John Baughman via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> R releases are the pre-releases of the next shipping version (v17). v16R6 is 
> the latest R version which can be used by developers as well as users under 
> maintenance contract, which HAS is. ... 
> 
> v17 is expected to be released within the next few months at which time v14 
> will be dropped as a supported version. I plan to upgrade HAS to R6 when I 
> get back from DC. ...

**
4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
FAQ:  http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
Archive:  http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
Unsub:  mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
**

Re: 4d16 r6 documentation

2018-03-31 Thread Mike Goldsmith via 4D_Tech 
Jeremy

Your link brought me to the tab for 16 r6, so 4D must hae just added the r6 
docs.

mike  goldsmith

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 31, 2018, at 7:48 AM, Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> I’m aware of the release structure. As the subject line of my email shows, 
> what I’m looking for is the HTML documentation for v16 r6. As you know, there 
> are new features and commands in r6 which aren’t present in 16.3 and hence 
> are not covered by the 16.3 documentation.
> 
> I have the HTML documentation for R4, which I downloaded from somewhere a few 
> months ago. I’d like to download the equivalent, updated documentation for R6.
> 
> So, does anyone know if it’s available and if so, where?
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> Jeremy Roussak
> j...@mac.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 31 Mar 2018, at 10:04, John Baughman via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The link in your email shows all the versions currently supported by 4D. 
>> What were you looking for? v16.3 is the latest version you are going to find 
>> for download (see below).  If you want to learn as a developer, I recommend 
>> you read any version of the Design Reference Manual (LRM) and Design 
>> Reference Manual (DRM). So v16.3 would be a perfectly good choice. Later you 
>> can read the what’s new document for v17 when it comes out. I learned 4D by 
>> reading the LRM. Read enough of the DRM and their getting started stuff to 
>> create a practice database and practice what you read as you go through the 
>> LRM. There are  videos available on YouTube. 
>> 
>> Below is an explanation of their versioning structure. 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 16 is the latest shipping version of 4D and .3 is the latest version of v16. 
>> Dot releases contain only bug fixes.
>> 
>> R releases are the pre-releases of the next shipping version (v17). v16R6 is 
>> the latest R version which can be used by developers as well as users under 
>> maintenance contract, which HAS is. Each R version goes through a beta 
>> version available to developers in their beta program, which I am. 
>> 
>> v17 is expected to be released within the next few months at which time v14 
>> will be dropped as a supported version. I plan to upgrade HAS to R6 when I 
>> get back from DC. I usually wait 2 to 3 months before deploying any newly 
>> released version to my clients. Sooner if there is something in the release 
>> that is compelling or fixes a bug that is affecting the client. 
>> 
>> John Baughman
>> Kailua, Hawaii
>> john...@hawaii.rr.com
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech 
>>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is the HTML version downloadable from somewhere? The link on the doc.4d.com 
>>>  page gets stuff for v16.3, which isn’t what I was 
>>> hoping for.
>>> 
>>> Jeremy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jeremy Roussak
>>> j...@mac.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> **
>>> 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
>>> FAQ:  http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
>>> Archive:  http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
>>> Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
>>> Unsub:  mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
>>> **
>> **
>> 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
>> FAQ:  http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
>> Archive:  http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
>> Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
>> Unsub:  mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
>> **
> 
> **
> 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
> FAQ:  http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
> Archive:  http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
> Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
> Unsub:  mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
> **
**
4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
FAQ:  http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
Archive:  http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
Unsub:  mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
**

Re: 4d16 r6 documentation

2018-03-31 Thread Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech 
John,

I’m aware of the release structure. As the subject line of my email shows, what 
I’m looking for is the HTML documentation for v16 r6. As you know, there are 
new features and commands in r6 which aren’t present in 16.3 and hence are not 
covered by the 16.3 documentation.

I have the HTML documentation for R4, which I downloaded from somewhere a few 
months ago. I’d like to download the equivalent, updated documentation for R6.

So, does anyone know if it’s available and if so, where?

Jeremy

Jeremy Roussak
j...@mac.com



> On 31 Mar 2018, at 10:04, John Baughman via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The link in your email shows all the versions currently supported by 4D. What 
> were you looking for? v16.3 is the latest version you are going to find for 
> download (see below).  If you want to learn as a developer, I recommend you 
> read any version of the Design Reference Manual (LRM) and Design Reference 
> Manual (DRM). So v16.3 would be a perfectly good choice. Later you can read 
> the what’s new document for v17 when it comes out. I learned 4D by reading 
> the LRM. Read enough of the DRM and their getting started stuff to create a 
> practice database and practice what you read as you go through the LRM. There 
> are  videos available on YouTube. 
> 
> Below is an explanation of their versioning structure. 
> 
> John
> 
> 16 is the latest shipping version of 4D and .3 is the latest version of v16. 
> Dot releases contain only bug fixes.
> 
> R releases are the pre-releases of the next shipping version (v17). v16R6 is 
> the latest R version which can be used by developers as well as users under 
> maintenance contract, which HAS is. Each R version goes through a beta 
> version available to developers in their beta program, which I am. 
> 
> v17 is expected to be released within the next few months at which time v14 
> will be dropped as a supported version. I plan to upgrade HAS to R6 when I 
> get back from DC. I usually wait 2 to 3 months before deploying any newly 
> released version to my clients. Sooner if there is something in the release 
> that is compelling or fixes a bug that is affecting the client. 
> 
> John Baughman
> Kailua, Hawaii
> john...@hawaii.rr.com
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Is the HTML version downloadable from somewhere? The link on the doc.4d.com 
>>  page gets stuff for v16.3, which isn’t what I was 
>> hoping for.
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>> 
>> Jeremy Roussak
>> j...@mac.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> **
>> 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
>> FAQ:  http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
>> Archive:  http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
>> Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
>> Unsub:  mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
>> **
> **
> 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
> FAQ:  http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
> Archive:  http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
> Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
> Unsub:  mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
> **

**
4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
FAQ:  http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
Archive:  http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
Unsub:  mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
**

Re: 4d16 r6 documentation

2018-03-31 Thread John Baughman via 4D_Tech 

> I recommend you read any version of the Design Reference Manual (LRM) and 
> Design Reference Manual (DRM).

That should have read “Language Reference Manual (LRM)” and... 

John
**
4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
FAQ:  http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
Archive:  http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
Unsub:  mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
**

Re: 4d16 r6 documentation

2018-03-31 Thread John Baughman via 4D_Tech 
The link in your email shows all the versions currently supported by 4D. What 
were you looking for? v16.3 is the latest version you are going to find for 
download (see below).  If you want to learn as a developer, I recommend you 
read any version of the Design Reference Manual (LRM) and Design Reference 
Manual (DRM). So v16.3 would be a perfectly good choice. Later you can read the 
what’s new document for v17 when it comes out. I learned 4D by reading the LRM. 
Read enough of the DRM and their getting started stuff to create a practice 
database and practice what you read as you go through the LRM. There are  
videos available on YouTube. 

Below is an explanation of their versioning structure. 

John

16 is the latest shipping version of 4D and .3 is the latest version of v16. 
Dot releases contain only bug fixes.

 R releases are the pre-releases of the next shipping version (v17). v16R6 is 
the latest R version which can be used by developers as well as users under 
maintenance contract, which HAS is. Each R version goes through a beta version 
available to developers in their beta program, which I am. 

v17 is expected to be released within the next few months at which time v14 
will be dropped as a supported version. I plan to upgrade HAS to R6 when I get 
back from DC. I usually wait 2 to 3 months before deploying any newly released 
version to my clients. Sooner if there is something in the release that is 
compelling or fixes a bug that is affecting the client. 

John Baughman
Kailua, Hawaii
john...@hawaii.rr.com

> On Mar 30, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> Is the HTML version downloadable from somewhere? The link on the doc.4d.com 
>  page gets stuff for v16.3, which isn’t what I was hoping 
> for.
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
> Jeremy Roussak
> j...@mac.com
> 
> 
> 
> **
> 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
> FAQ:  http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
> Archive:  http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
> Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
> Unsub:  mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
> **
**
4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
FAQ:  http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
Archive:  http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
Unsub:  mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
**

4d16 r6 documentation

2018-03-31 Thread Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech 
Is the HTML version downloadable from somewhere? The link on the doc.4d.com 
 page gets stuff for v16.3, which isn’t what I was hoping 
for.

Jeremy


Jeremy Roussak
j...@mac.com



**
4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG)
FAQ:  http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html
Archive:  http://lists.4d.com/archives.html
Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
Unsub:  mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
**