Re: [v16.3 64 IC on El Capitan] Receive file

[Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech]

> On 5 Sep 2018, at 11:35 AEST, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> which has an API similar to 4DIC.

Thanks


Regards
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Re: 4Dv15 applications as a Service in Windows Server 2012

[Ronnie Teo via 4D_Tech]

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the reply.
Running v15 on 2012 is not a problem.  I’m only having issues running it as a 
service.

When the service is launched, it doesn’t appear under the Available tab. 
Even when I specify the IP address directly, it is not able to connect.

When launched directly from the 4D Server app, connection is not a problem.
Yet from the same server (2012 server), there is no problem running a v13 app 
under service.

That’s why I’m puzzled….

Regards,
Ronnie
Tarawerkz

> On 5 Sep 2018, at 12:40 AM, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com wrote:
> 
> I am running 15.5 on 2012 without a problem. Is this a built application? If
> not how are you selecting the database to launch ? 
> Paul
> 
> 

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Re: [v16.3 64 IC on El Capitan] Receive file

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

for FTP,

it might be easier to use the specialised version

https://github.com/miyako/4d-plugin-curl-ftp

which has an API similar to 4DIC.

2018/09/05 10:33、Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:

I might be blind and/or to old, but I couldn’t figure out how to do the 
equivalent to “FTP_GetDirList” in cURL before attempt to do a dowload…



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Re: [v16.3 64 IC on El Capitan] Receive file

[Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech]

> On 5 Sep 2018, at 10:40 AEST, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> of course. that is not a good enough excuse,
> but I wanted to mention it as a weak explanation.

Thanks Keisuke.

That means I’ll use your cURL only.

Wich brings me to the next questions.

Is there a detailed manual for your plugin with “how to use …”?

I might be blind and/or to old, but I couldn’t figure out how to do the 
equivalent to “FTP_GetDirList” in cURL before attempt to do a dowload… 

Cheers
Jörg


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Re: v12 - included form (original subform)

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

Thanks!

> http://doc.4d.com/4Dv16/4D/16.3/GET-HIGHLIGHTED-RECORDS.301-3652453.en.html
> 
> is the generic equivalent of UserSet
> 
> 2018/09/05 2:56、Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech 
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> Records in set("UserSet") = zero
> RECORDS IN SELECTION - number of records in table
> 
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Re: [v16.3 64 IC on El Capitan] Receive file

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

I think you are referring to ACI0096897 which is described as standard 
behaviour, that is,
expected result according to design.

FTP_GetDirList uses the 'LIST' request.
When optionnal output parameter if provided to get timestamps, it sends an 
'MTDM' request for each file of the directory.
(and not the 'MLSD' request of RFC 3659)

the result is that FTP_receive returns error 10048 on certain servers, since 
15.4 (was ok until 15.3)
the workaround is to
a: not provide last optional array for timestamps in FTP_GetDirList,
or
b: call  FTP_Login again after FTP_GetDirList

the fact that the bug is considered standard behaviour,
speaks for itself about the level of enthusiasm to maintain the product.

in fairness, it is legacy software, free to use and not part of the main 
product line.

of course. that is not a good enough excuse,
but I wanted to mention it as a weak explanation.

> 2018/09/04 22:07、Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:
> Any useful explanation for that one?



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Re: Address Standardization

[Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech]

Kirk:

"The only issue we've ever had really
is when the credit card on the account expired."
Yeh, I can see how that could be an issue.

:-)

Thanks for the recommendation.

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949-336-2902


On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 4:46 PM Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:

> Doug,
> I can't recall a time we had any issue with their uptime but we are only
> doing a few hundred addresses a month. The only issue we've ever had really
> is when the credit card on the account expired.
>
> And their support is really great. Right next to Rackspace..
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 3:56 PM Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
> > Kirk:
> >
> > Thanks for the quick response.
> >
> > I Google address standardization and that one seemed to be the way to go.
> > The other services were great if you're doing a lot of hits bit
> > smartystreets seemed very reasonably priced.
> >
> > What's their reliability//uptime like?
> > --
> > Douglas von Roeder
> > 949-336-2902
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 3:28 PM Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <
> > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Doug,
> > > I've been using SmartyStreets for several years and really like them.
> The
> > > API is super simple, great tech support, you don't have to parse the
> > > address elements out prior to sending (you can but don't have to) which
> > is
> > > a great benefit because you can let users enter the address in a single
> > > line and they will parse it and manage most spelling errors. Responses
> > are
> > > JSON though I think they still support XML. You get 250 lookups a month
> > for
> > > free which is great for developers. At work we subscribe for $20/month
> > 500
> > > lookups, goes down as you buy more. And you can submit a list for
> > > validation for a flat fee.
> > >
> > > https://smartystreets.com/
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 1:29 PM Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech <
> > > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's been quite some years since I've had a need to do address
> > > > standardization.
> > > >
> > > > If you've got recent experience with this, what services are you
> using?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Douglas von Roeder
> > > > 949-336-2902
> > > >
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Re: Address Standardization

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Doug,
I can't recall a time we had any issue with their uptime but we are only
doing a few hundred addresses a month. The only issue we've ever had really
is when the credit card on the account expired.

And their support is really great. Right next to Rackspace..

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 3:56 PM Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Kirk:
>
> Thanks for the quick response.
>
> I Google address standardization and that one seemed to be the way to go.
> The other services were great if you're doing a lot of hits bit
> smartystreets seemed very reasonably priced.
>
> What's their reliability//uptime like?
> --
> Douglas von Roeder
> 949-336-2902
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 3:28 PM Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Doug,
> > I've been using SmartyStreets for several years and really like them. The
> > API is super simple, great tech support, you don't have to parse the
> > address elements out prior to sending (you can but don't have to) which
> is
> > a great benefit because you can let users enter the address in a single
> > line and they will parse it and manage most spelling errors. Responses
> are
> > JSON though I think they still support XML. You get 250 lookups a month
> for
> > free which is great for developers. At work we subscribe for $20/month
> 500
> > lookups, goes down as you buy more. And you can submit a list for
> > validation for a flat fee.
> >
> > https://smartystreets.com/
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 1:29 PM Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech <
> > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It's been quite some years since I've had a need to do address
> > > standardization.
> > >
> > > If you've got recent experience with this, what services are you using?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Douglas von Roeder
> > > 949-336-2902
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Re: v12 - included form (original subform)

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

http://doc.4d.com/4Dv16/4D/16.3/GET-HIGHLIGHTED-RECORDS.301-3652453.en.html

is the generic equivalent of UserSet

2018/09/05 2:56、Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:

Records in set("UserSet") = zero
RECORDS IN SELECTION - number of records in table


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Re: Image Searching and Management

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

this plugin is still a work in progress (see TODO)

but IIIF seems to be the standard way to deploy an image server.

https://github.com/miyako/4d-plugin-iipsrv

c.f.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Image_Interoperability_Framework

2018/09/05 8:11、Neal Schaefer via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:

We have an extensive 4D-based content management system we've been developing 
for years, but we're hoping now to upgrade the image searching (similar images, 
EXIF metadata tags...), display (grid-view options rather than row by row), 
tagging (possibly batch adding and/or searching with EXIF metadata), and other 
image management features in the system. User's expectations have been formed 
by Google images and other modern cloud-based image search services, and we'd 
like to build some similar features into our system for our own collection of 
around 300k images if possible. I'm looking for recommendations on plugins, 
example 4D databases, or other 3rd-party tools that we might use to add some of 
these types of features to our system. Any recommendations would be greatly 
appreciated!



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Image Searching and Management

[Neal Schaefer via 4D_Tech]

We have an extensive 4D-based content management system we've been developing 
for years, but we're hoping now to upgrade the image searching (similar images, 
EXIF metadata tags...), display (grid-view options rather than row by row), 
tagging (possibly batch adding and/or searching with EXIF metadata), and other 
image management features in the system. User's expectations have been formed 
by Google images and other modern cloud-based image search services, and we'd 
like to build some similar features into our system for our own collection of 
around 300k images if possible. I'm looking for recommendations on plugins, 
example 4D databases, or other 3rd-party tools that we might use to add some of 
these types of features to our system. Any recommendations would be greatly 
appreciated!

Neal Schaefer
Director, Product & Content Management Systems
ABC-CLIO
130 Cremona Drive, Suite C | Santa Barbara, CA | 93117
nschae...@abc-clio.com | 
www.abc-clio.com

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Re: Address Standardization

[Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech]

Kirk:

Thanks for the quick response.

I Google address standardization and that one seemed to be the way to go.
The other services were great if you're doing a lot of hits bit
smartystreets seemed very reasonably priced.

What's their reliability//uptime like?
--
Douglas von Roeder
949-336-2902


On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 3:28 PM Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:

> Doug,
> I've been using SmartyStreets for several years and really like them. The
> API is super simple, great tech support, you don't have to parse the
> address elements out prior to sending (you can but don't have to) which is
> a great benefit because you can let users enter the address in a single
> line and they will parse it and manage most spelling errors. Responses are
> JSON though I think they still support XML. You get 250 lookups a month for
> free which is great for developers. At work we subscribe for $20/month 500
> lookups, goes down as you buy more. And you can submit a list for
> validation for a flat fee.
>
> https://smartystreets.com/
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 1:29 PM Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
> > It's been quite some years since I've had a need to do address
> > standardization.
> >
> > If you've got recent experience with this, what services are you using?
> >
> > --
> > Douglas von Roeder
> > 949-336-2902
> > **
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Address Standardization

[Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech]

It's been quite some years since I've had a need to do address
standardization.

If you've got recent experience with this, what services are you using?

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v12 - included form (original subform)

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

Updating an old application
I have a parent form, on which is a subform (included list form) from 
another table.
everything works as expected, except...

I can not determine which record(s) the user has selected.
if I:
- all records (have a list of records)
- select 3 records

Records in set("UserSet") = zero
RECORDS IN SELECTION - number of records in table

I have obviously forgotten something can anyone help me, by pointing me 
in the right direction.

Thanks
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Re: Isolating the Cause of a Server Crash

[JPR via 4D_Tech]

[JPR]

Hi Dave, Tim,

This kind of crash is always difficult to track down, for it is not easily 
reproductible. From what I see (and as Tim pointed) it seems there is a memory 
problem that is revelated in the process LabProjects List. But a memory problem 
can occur a while before the actual crash, because the application may have a 
corrupted memory and not be aware of it until the crash.

- Is your application compiled? If yes, be sure that the Range checking option 
is set.
- Is the LabProjects ListProcess a client process on server, or a worker or 
process running on the server?
- The time of crash seems irrelevant, but may be it's linked to a peak in 
activity and a server or network stress?
- A client problem causing a server crash is unlikely, but it may help to know 
if there is a correlation between the crash and a particular client doing a 
particular operation.
- Do you know which method is executed when it crashes?
- Do you use interprocess variables like arrays for instance?
- How much memory has been given to the server and to the cache?

This is just a short list of points to check, but it may help to reduce the 
problem to a small part of the application.

My very best,

JPR


> On 2 Sep 2018, at 21:00, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com wrote:
> 
> From: Tim Nevels 
> To: 4d_tech@lists.4d.com
> Subject: Re: Isolating the Cause of a Server Crash
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> On Sep 1, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Dave Nasralla wrote:
> 
>> One of our systems is crashing about every 3 days and I can't seem to
>> isolate the cause. Lately these are crashes with a Mac crash report
>> appearing on the screen.
>> Some system details are:
>> - 4D Built Server app with v17.0 HF1 (64 bit Server with 64 Mac and
>> 32 bit Windows Clients)
>> - Mac and Windows Clients
>> - Mac OS 10.13.5
>> 
>> What I know so far:
>> - I have the Server Debug file. It ends with a "." and so the last
>> command appears to have executed.
>> - I'm using the Report Info component, logging every 5 minutes. There
>> doesn't seem to be memory problems or run away cache issues.
>> - I also know who was one each time it crashes and said out an email
>> to those users to find patterns (so far I've found none).
>> - The crashes typically happen around 10am to 11am.
>> - The client and server builds match.
>> 
>> I'm debating turning on the client debugger files and then harvesting
>> them afterwards when the user logs back in. I'm open to other
>> debugging techniques.
>> 
>> There are other v17 systems running on the same machine with zero issue.
>> 
>> Below is a snippet of the crash report. It seems to be different each
>> time, but here is the latest. Thread 73 crashed, so I only included
>> that one.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> dave nasralla
>> 
>> Process:   Corporate [93958]
>> Path:  /Users/USER/*/Corporate
>> Server.app/Contents/MacOS/Corporate
>> Identifier:4d.com.Corporate Server.app
>> Version:   17.0 build 17.226566 (???)
>> Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
>> Parent Process:??? [1]
>> Responsible:   Corporate [93958]
>> User ID:   501
>> 
>> Date/Time: 2018-08-31 11:00:05.952 -0500
>> OS Version:Mac OS X 10.13.5 (17F77)
>> Report Version:12
>> Anonymous UUID:723511FD-4CA0-6E8B-0642-883209248DFC
>> 
>> 
>> Time Awake Since Boot: 370 seconds
>> 
>> System Integrity Protection: enabled
>> 
>> Crashed Thread:73  LabProjects List (id = -114)
>> 
>> Exception Type:EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
>> Exception Codes:   EXC_I386_GPFLT
>> Exception Note:EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY
>> 
>> Termination Signal:Segmentation fault: 11
>> Termination Reason:Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0xb
>> Terminating Process:   exc handler [0]
>> --
>> 
>> 
>> Thread 73 Crashed:: LabProjects List (id = -114)
>> 0   4d.com.Corporate Server.app   0x00010694fdbe
>> V4DConnection::OnPostpone(bool) + 40
>> 1   4d.com.Corporate Server.app   0x000106b095f7
>> V4DServerUser::PostponeServiceConnection() + 35
>> 2   4d.com.Corporate Server.app   0x000106b20567
>> V4DServer::exec_ConnectionPostpone(V4DRequestReply&, V4DTaskConcrete*,
>> short) + 395
>> 3   4d.com.Corporate Server.app   0x000106b211ca
>> V4DServer::exec_streamreq(V4DRequestReply&, V4DTaskConcrete*) + 100
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Crashing every 3 days is a real problem and totally unacceptable. So what can 
> be done to try and make this situation better? We need to make changes to 
> make this crashing stop. But what changes? 
> 
> Here is my thinking as I read this crash report. Keep in mind I’m not an 
> expert on this, so I may be wrong in some areas. If I am wrong hopefully 
> those that know more can correct me — and in turn help me and others 
> understand more about how to read these macOS crash reports. (Thinking 

Re: 4Dv15 applications as a Service in Windows Server 2012

[Ronnie Teo via 4D_Tech]

Hi Epperlein,

Thank you for your reply.

This is a test server, so yes it is only running one instance of 4D Server at 
any one time

>> If I launch a separate v13 application from the same 2012 server, it works 
>> fine too.
When I mentioned successfully running a v13 application from the same 2012 
server, I forgot to mention that it was running as a service.

Regards,
Ronnie
Tarawerkz

> On 4 Sep 2018, at 3:42 PM, Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do you run only one single 4d server on this Windows server?
> If you have multiple 4d servers please set the SQL port to a different value 
> even you don't use SQL (not only the common C/S ports).
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] On Behalf Of Ronnie Teo 
>> via
>> 4D_Tech
>> Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 10:35 AM
>> To: 4D iNug Technical <4D_Tech@lists.4D.com>
>> Cc: Ronnie Teo 
>> Subject: 4Dv15 applications as a Service in Windows Server 2012
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have not been able to run v15 applications as a service under Windows 
>> Server 2012,
>> using 4Dv15.5
>> When the service is started, I am unable to connect to the database from a 
>> client, the
>> Available tab is also empty.
>> 
>> It is not a problem when the same v15 application is launched directly with 
>> the 4D
>> Server application from the same 2012 server.
>> If I launch a separate v13 application from the same 2012 server, it works 
>> fine too.
>> In both the above scenarios, there is no issue with client connections.
>> 
>> Can anyone advise?  Is there some setting I have to carry out to facilitate 
>> a v15 app
>> running as a service?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Ronnie
>> Tarawerkz
>> 
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RE: 4Dv15 applications as a Service in Windows Server 2012

[Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 4D_Tech]

Do you run only one single 4d server on this Windows server?
If you have multiple 4d servers please set the SQL port to a different value 
even you don't use SQL (not only the common C/S ports).

> -Original Message-
> From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] On Behalf Of Ronnie Teo 
> via
> 4D_Tech
> Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 10:35 AM
> To: 4D iNug Technical <4D_Tech@lists.4D.com>
> Cc: Ronnie Teo 
> Subject: 4Dv15 applications as a Service in Windows Server 2012
>
> Hi,
>
> I have not been able to run v15 applications as a service under Windows 
> Server 2012,
> using 4Dv15.5
> When the service is started, I am unable to connect to the database from a 
> client, the
> Available tab is also empty.
>
> It is not a problem when the same v15 application is launched directly with 
> the 4D
> Server application from the same 2012 server.
> If I launch a separate v13 application from the same 2012 server, it works 
> fine too.
> In both the above scenarios, there is no issue with client connections.
>
> Can anyone advise?  Is there some setting I have to carry out to facilitate 
> a v15 app
> running as a service?
>
> Regards,
> Ronnie
> Tarawerkz
>
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Re: 4Dv15 applications as a Service in Windows Server 2012

[Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech]

I am running 15.5 on 2012 without a problem. Is this a built application? If
not how are you selecting the database to launch ? 
Paul



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