Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5
Jim Dorrance: > Wouldn't it be less confusing if 4D called v16 R6 something other > than v16 , because the v16 R6 new features will never be released in a v16 > upgrade. Good Idea. v16R6 should really be called V17Beta6. That´s what it is after all. Would save a lot of confusion. Greetings from Germany, Bernd Fröhlich ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5
Thanks Ferdinando Il 12/03/2019 20:00, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com ha scritto: Message: 5 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 16:11:11 +0100 From: Jim Dorrance To: 4D iNug Technical<4d_tech@lists.4d.com> Subject: Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 10:38 AM Milan Adamov via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: If you are using any new feature from v16 R6 that are not in v16 line, the answer is no. You should upgrade to v17 instead. For example, object notation (which became available in v16 R4) is not available in v16.5. If you are not using any new features available in v16 R6 then why use R version in a first place? Wouldn't it be less confusing if 4D called v16 R6 something other than v16 , because the v16 R6 new features will never be released in a v16 upgrade. jim.dorra...@gmail.com 4...@dorrance.eu www.4d.dorrance.eu PS: If you know of anyone that needs an experienced 4D programmer to add energy and experience to their team, please let me know. I have experience in many areas. Reasonable rates. Remote or Paris only. ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Can't get to development mode!
Hi Doug, Perhaps a typo, but you actually need the Developer license to be able to go to design mode. the Unlimited Desktop license is the one you need to include if you build single user apps. HTH Koen > Op 12 mrt. 2019, om 23:49 heeft Doug Hall via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > het volgende geschreven: > > Problem is, it doesn't! I checked to make sure I have the Unlimited Desktop > license installed for the current year. Compass bvba Koen Van Hooreweghe Kloosterstraat 65 9910 Aalter Belgium tel +32 495 511.653 ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5
> On Mar 13, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Bernd Fröhlich via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Good Idea. > v16R6 should really be called V17Beta6. That´s what it is after all. > Would save a lot of confusion. No, it would just add more confusion and it wouldn’t be accurate. First, v17 means that you have complete set of features defined, “beta” means that they are all implemened and in testing. This is completely opposite of what R line is about: V16 R1 - it is v16 feature set plus features A and B V16 R2 - it is v16 R1 feature set plus features C and D plus bug fixes for features A and B V16 R3 - it is v16 R2 feature set plus features E and F plus bug fixes for features A, B, C, D V16 R4 - it is v16 R3 feature set plus features G and H plus bug fixes for features A, B, C, D, E, F V16 R5 - it is v16 R4 feature set plus features I and J plus bug fixes for features A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H V16 R6 - it is v16 R5 feature set plus features K and L plus bug fixes for features A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J V17 - it is v16 R6 feature set plus features M and N plus bug fixes for features A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L Regards, Milan ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 9:51 AM Milan Adamov via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > No, it would just add more confusion and it wouldn’t be accurate. I do not agree. The problem is a final client has bought a v16 version but does not have access to features announced and touted as v16 features. It is difficult to say to the client he must now update to v17 to have these new v16 features. -- Jim Dorrance jim.dorra...@gmail.com 4...@dorrance.eu www.4d.dorrance.eu PS: If you know of anyone that needs an experienced 4D programmer to add energy and experience to their team, please let me know. I have experience in many areas. Reasonable rates. Remote or Paris only. ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5
> On Mar 13, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Jim Dorrance via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 9:51 AM Milan Adamov via 4D_Tech < > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > >> >> No, it would just add more confusion and it wouldn’t be accurate. > > > I do not agree. The problem is a final client has bought a v16 version but > does not have access to features announced and touted as v16 features. It > is difficult to say to the client he must now update to v17 to have these > new v16 features. > > > But there not announced as v16 features, that is simply not true, no one ever said that. On the contrary, it is explicitly said and written many times that those features are upcoming features in next major version. Milan ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5
Milan Adamov: > But there not announced as v16 features, that is simply not true, no one ever > said that. On the contrary, it is explicitly said and written many times that > those features are upcoming features in next major version. So it IS a V17 beta after all... Maybe all the folks at 4D understand how those R version numbering works, but for the rest of the world it is obviously quite confusing. Gruß aus Bremen, Bernd Fröhlich ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5
> On Mar 13, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Bernd Fröhlich via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Milan Adamov: > >> But there not announced as v16 features, that is simply not true, no one >> ever said that. On the contrary, it is explicitly said and written many >> times that those features are upcoming features in next major version. > > So it IS a V17 beta after all... > > Maybe all the folks at 4D understand how those R version numbering works, but > for the rest of the world it is obviously quite confusing. > > No it isn’t. If it is beta that would mean you would have all of planned features for v17 implemented and still in testing within 4D, in R version there is beta phase of R version which is done and the subset of new fetures is fully tested by QA and Partners before release. For example, current R version is v17 R3, v17 R4 is in beta. Calling it v17 beta 3 would not solve the problem for those that are confused, on the contrary, it would add more confusion to it. It seems that you don’t have a problem with nomenclature, but the all R version approach of doing things incrementally. Milan P.S. I am not with for 4D for more than a year now. ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5
It's really not that hard, nor that unusual. Is Windows Server 2008R2 a beta of Windows Server 2012? Nope. It's an incremental release with new features. > On Mar 13, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Bernd Fröhlich via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Maybe all the folks at 4D understand how those R version numbering works, but > for the rest of the world it is obviously quite confusing. ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5
Hi, For me too it is not confusing. Actually to call it V17 beta is not only more confusing but it is wrong. Actually you can see v17 as a 16 R7 if you like. R release make it easier to go through the new features 4D implement by having them little by little instead to have a full load of new features after 1 and half year. I really think this way of doing is more performant and more nice for developers to test things and to give feedback. I think it improve the quality of 4D. Envoyé de mon iPhone > Le 13 mars 2019 à 13:16, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> a > écrit : > > It's really not that hard, nor that unusual. > > Is Windows Server 2008R2 a beta of Windows Server 2012? Nope. It's an > incremental release with new features. > >> On Mar 13, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Bernd Fröhlich via 4D_Tech >> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: >> >> Maybe all the folks at 4D understand how those R version numbering works, >> but for the rest of the world it is obviously quite confusing. > > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5
I definitely agree that 4D's new internal processes and continuous delivery model have improved product quality a LOT. There's no way I would have ever considered putting a .0 release into production, but we did just that with v17.0. > On Mar 13, 2019, at 9:02 AM, GI -AJAR via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > I think it improve the quality of 4D. ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Printing forms modified with Duplicate Object
Hello Miyako, Ok, I'm back to this project. Thanks for the info and I'm working with the Print Object command, trying to anyway. But it doesn't print subforms... And you said I need 17R to convert an existing form to JSON...we're running 17.0. Any additional advice would be appreciated. I'll try check out your component db to see how you did the labels. Thanks, Alan On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:41 PM Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > have you looked into the "Print object" command? > > you don't need to duplicate an object, > you can print the same object as many times as you like, > at any position (decimal, not integer positioning) > > with 17R you can define an object (JSON) representation of a form from > scratch, > or take an existing form, convert to JSON and add or subtract objects. > > > 2019/03/07 7:40、Alan Tilson のメール: > > Any ideas would be appreciated! > > > > > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Moving a served v15.4 Windows DB to Mac v15.4 standalone
Thanks Chuck. I'm not concerned about the Active4D part at this time. It seemed like in the past there was an issue where you wouldn't be allowed to open the structure after moving between machines or server -> client. I'll be at their site tomorrow and will try your suggestion. Brad On 3/13/19, 3:27 AM, "4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com" <4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com> wrote: What I would do is take the take the folder the structure is in and zip it. I would take the folder the data file is in and zip it. I would then copy both of the zipped archives and proceed./ I am not sure if there is anything else you need to copy relative to active4D, buit someone else who uses that can advise ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Printing forms modified with Duplicate Object
Miyako, It looks like you just step through all the objects and offset and print them, so I'm trying that... Alan On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 1:16 PM Alan Tilson wrote: > Hello Miyako, > Ok, I'm back to this project. > Thanks for the info and I'm working with the Print Object command, trying > to anyway. > But it doesn't print subforms... > And you said I need 17R to convert an existing form to JSON...we're > running 17.0. > Any additional advice would be appreciated. > I'll try check out your component db to see how you did the labels. > Thanks, > Alan > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:41 PM Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech < > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > >> have you looked into the "Print object" command? >> >> you don't need to duplicate an object, >> you can print the same object as many times as you like, >> at any position (decimal, not integer positioning) >> >> with 17R you can define an object (JSON) representation of a form from >> scratch, >> or take an existing form, convert to JSON and add or subtract objects. >> >> > 2019/03/07 7:40、Alan Tilson のメール: >> > Any ideas would be appreciated! >> >> >> >> >> ** >> 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) >> Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html >> Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech >> Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com >> ** > > ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Doris Beaulieu 31 Year Anniversary at 4D
LinkedIn sent out an email today that Doris Beaulieu has worked for 4D for 31 years, since March 1988. I’ve never known a time when she were not at 4D. Always there to greet developers and 4D Partners at every 4D Summit too. Congratulations! I hope they give her a party or something at 4D. She deserves it. Tim * Tim Nevels Innovative Solutions 785-749-3444 timnev...@mac.com * ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Delay Worker Process
Hi Everyone, I’m trying to do some quick and dirty logging to track down an issue at a customer’s site. As part of that I need to log some information to a file, always on the server. I figured the simplest would be to call a method each time I need to log some information and pass the info to it. The method has the Execute on Server property set so all logging happens on the server. I don’t want anything tied up waiting for the logging to happen, so I have the method call a worker process (on the server) and pass in the relevant information to it. The worker is responsible to run some checks, ensure the correct file exists, write the information to the file, and possibly send a Slack message. Using a worker also ensures that a file is not being opened by multiple processes at the same time. So far all this works as hoped for and was simple to code. The problem is that the worker process needs to run the checks a few seconds _after_ the initial request to log information happened. Since the worker is just in a cooperative process I figured I could add DELAY PROCESS. But it seems not to work. I could re-engineer the whole thing to use a background process in a loop on the server and some IP arrays or a table, but was hoping to keep it simpler. Does anyone know how to pause a worker process for a few seconds? This is v17.1HF1. Thanks. -- Cannon.Smith Synergy Farm Solutions Inc. Aetna, AB Canada ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Doris Beaulieu 31 Year Anniversary at 4D
I agree. Pretty hard to believe she made it all this way working for so many along the way. She must have started when she was still a young teenager Regards and congrats to her Chuck Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306 Informed Solutions, Inc. Fax: (617) 232-1064 mailto:cjmillerinformed-solutions.com Brookline, MA 02446 USA Registered 4D Developer Providers of 4D and Sybase connectivity http://www.informed-solutions.com This message and any attached documents contain information which may be confidential, subject to privilege or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. These materials are intended only for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient of this transmission, you are hereby notified that any distribution, disclosure, printing, copying, storage, modification or the taking of any action in reliance upon this transmission is strictly prohibited. Delivery of this message to any person other than the intended recipient shall not compromise or waive such confidentiality, privilege or exemption from disclosure as to this communication. > On Mar 13, 2019, at 5:02 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > LinkedIn sent out an email today that Doris Beaulieu has worked for 4D for 31 > years, since March 1988. I’ve never known a time when she were not at 4D. > Always there to greet developers and 4D Partners at every 4D Summit too. > > Congratulations! I hope they give her a party or something at 4D. She > deserves it. > > Tim ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Doris Beaulieu 31 Year Anniversary at 4D
Happy Anniversary Doris! > On Mar 13, 2019, at 2:02 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > LinkedIn sent out an email today that Doris Beaulieu has worked for 4D for 31 > years, since March 1988. I’ve never known a time when she were not at 4D. > Always there to greet developers and 4D Partners at every 4D Summit too. > > Congratulations! I hope they give her a party or something at 4D. She > deserves it. > > Tim > > * > Tim Nevels > Innovative Solutions > 785-749-3444 > timnev...@mac.com > * ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Doris Beaulieu 31 Year Anniversary at 4D
Congratulations Doris! -- -- Tom Dillon 375 S Main St #405 DataCraft Moab, UT 84532 tomdil...@datacraft-inc.com 720/209-6502 -- Arguing with an insane sailor puts you in his boat. Both of you will sink, but he won't care. --- Sunastar -- ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Doris Beaulieu 31 Year Anniversary at 4D
Tim: Hear hear! -- Douglas von Roeder 949-336-2902 On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 2:03 PM Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > LinkedIn sent out an email today that Doris Beaulieu has worked for 4D for > 31 years, since March 1988. I’ve never known a time when she were not at > 4D. Always there to greet developers and 4D Partners at every 4D Summit > too. > > Congratulations! I hope they give her a party or something at 4D. She > deserves it. > > Tim > > * > Tim Nevels > Innovative Solutions > 785-749-3444 > timnev...@mac.com > * > > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Error code 183(W132)
One of my deployed 4D server has suddenly started throwing this error (see below). When the error is being displayed 4D server is not visible. When the ok button is clicked 4D server becomes visible. A quick google search finds some discussion about this error independent of 4D and one provides a link to a utility call (Error 183) repair utility. Can anyone shed some light on this error and perhaps why it is being thrown by this particular 4D server. Thanks, John ——— Error code 183(W132) Cannot create a file when that file already exists Component: ‘W132' Task 8336 Error code: 6523(xbox Cannot create folder C:\User\Administrator\AppData\Local\Temp\1\4D Server\. Toolbox Task 8336 --- John Baughman Kailua, Hawaii (808) 262-0328 john...@hawaii.rr.com ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
