Re: [9fans] my ts7200 port
unfortunately x86 cannot be beat, if the object of the game is price/performance the object of the game is price and power. Performance doesn't factor, notwithstanding that the terminal must drive 1024x768 vga. Nick
Re: [9fans] timesync -r not working?
On 2009-06-29, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: Balwinder S Dheeman bsd.sans...@cto.homelinux.net wrote: I also run Plan 9 in qemu, the: aux/timesync -n pool.ntp.org solved a similar problem here. ty. That's what was in my cpurc, I don't know whether as a default or from tinkering with it a few years ago. I didn't want to load ntp.org with multiple requests from the same machine. pool.ntp.org resolves to a random selection from over 1700 public time servers located around the world. You may be better off using a time server located in your geographic area. Please see http://www.pool.ntp.org/ for a list of pool zones (and more infomation about the pool). -- Steve Kostecke st...@kostecke.net I am a citizen, not a consumer. I am a human being, not a revenue source. Public Key at gopher://kostecke.net or `finger st...@kostecke.net`
[9fans] I have two questions
hi everyone: I have two questions : A has anyone installed plan 9 through internet from Windows XP ? If so, how to get it ? B: can MetaPost , ConTeXt etc. TeX --- related programs be ported into plan 9 ? I know TeX and MetaFont can do it, but i need more TeX ---related programs for my work...if so .how to port them.? looking forwards for answers.. Thanks first..
Re: [9fans] my ts7200 port
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:50:14 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Mon Jul 6 19:41:36 EDT 2009, jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM, ron minnichrminn...@gmail.com wrote: I just ported the linux driver I'm interested in how hard this is, and how it might be made easier. that depends. i've found that porting a driver or working backwards from an example is often harder than just writing a new driver. this is because the hard part is understanding how the hardware works, not in coding that knowledge up. and unfortunately, looking at a linux driver hasn't been very instructive to me. i'm sure one could create a compatability layer for certain driver types along the lines of ndiswrapper. but given the instability of linux internal interfaces, this might be finished about the same time as duke nukem forever. What about emulating a usb-ethernet device in software? (Assuming the beagle board's usb interface can operate in gadget mode as opposed to host mode.) The Linux kernel does a good job of emulating a usb ethernet device, I use it extensively. I rather assumed the Bitsy port had this already, but perhaps not. -- Ethan Grammatikidis Those who are slower at parsing information must necessarily be faster at problem-solving.
[9fans] Trivia question
Hopefully this is not the same kind of question as Since data goes in both directions, why do you call it streams? Does anyone know why u.h is named u.h? Brantley
Re: [9fans] I have two questions
You totally misrepresented yourself with 2 questions You can download Plan 9 from any OS that will let you have an internet connection and download plan 9. When you install it you can install it virtualized or on hardware, but check the wiki and documentation for successful configurations perhaps first, or just give it a try. I believe there is TeX for Plan 9, but I've not used it. There is a POSIX compatibility layer for Plan 9 that may help you get things ported that you want to run (ape) and I believe there is experimental linux binary support though i've never seen it working, screenshot or otherwise, nor have I tried to make it work. Good luck! On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:20 AM, xiantingmanbu xiantingma...@gmail.comwrote: hi everyone: I have two questions : A has anyone installed plan 9 through internet from Windows XP ? If so, how to get it ? B: can MetaPost , ConTeXt etc. TeX --- related programs be ported into plan 9 ? I know TeX and MetaFont can do it, but i need more TeX ---related programs for my work...if so .how to port them.? looking forwards for answers.. Thanks first..
Re: [9fans] Trivia question
uh I don't know. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com wrote: Hopefully this is not the same kind of question as Since data goes in both directions, why do you call it streams? Does anyone know why u.h is named u.h? Brantley
Re: [9fans] Trivia question
because originally it was little more than the typedefs for uchar, ulong etc. -rob
Re: [9fans] I have two questions
tex is availabe as an old ISO /n/sources/extra/tex.iso.bz2, this expects you to have kfs as your main filesystem - but you can fake this with a couple of binds before running replica/pull. I installed this image, recompiled it, and pushed it out as a contrib package steve/tex. I had a look at updating the package to a more curent version (this source is circa 1998) but it required too mych delving for an occasional tex user such as myself. beware, both tex packages are bigger than you might expect. -Steve
Re: [9fans] I have two questions
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:58:53 -0700 David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: I believe there is TeX for Plan 9, but I've not used it. There is a POSIX compatibility layer for Plan 9 that may help you get things ported that you want to run (ape) and I believe there is experimental linux binary support though i've never seen it working, screenshot or otherwise, nor have I tried to make it work. The TeX bundle for Plan 9 dates from 1999 or so, IIRC. I'm told it works well despite it's age but don't recall details, sorry. There is Linux application support, I have seen a screenshot which included Firefox; quite astonishing. I think only limited attention is paid to Linux app support as for many the whole point of using Plan 9 is to avoid the planet-sized amount of cruft un*x has accumulated, but it's there if you need it. -- Ethan Grammatikidis Those who are slower at parsing information must necessarily be faster at problem-solving.
Re: [9fans] my ts7200 port
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:36:31 +0100 Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:50:14 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Mon Jul 6 19:41:36 EDT 2009, jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM, ron minnichrminn...@gmail.com wrote: I just ported the linux driver I'm interested in how hard this is, and how it might be made easier. that depends. i've found that porting a driver or working backwards from an example is often harder than just writing a new driver. this is because the hard part is understanding how the hardware works, not in coding that knowledge up. and unfortunately, looking at a linux driver hasn't been very instructive to me. i'm sure one could create a compatability layer for certain driver types along the lines of ndiswrapper. but given the instability of linux internal interfaces, this might be finished about the same time as duke nukem forever. What about emulating a usb-ethernet device in software? (Assuming the beagle board's usb interface can operate in gadget mode as opposed to host mode.) The Linux kernel does a good job of emulating a usb ethernet device, I use it extensively. I rather assumed the Bitsy port had this already, but perhaps not. Huh, I just realised that if both ends of the fake ethernet link run Plan 9 then the only advantage of what I suggested would be that both ends of the link are known quantities with open source code. Now I wonder if it might be simpler to implement 9p directly over USB. -- Ethan Grammatikidis Those who are slower at parsing information must necessarily be faster at problem-solving.
[9fans] 9p implemention using print() like formats for marshaling
I am interested in a 9p implementation which used print()-like format strings for packet marshaling. This was pre-9p2k and I even have a vague memory that it was a student project, mentored by Rob, though I may have made that up. I found this code on the net a long time ago but I ahve lost the link; does this description ring any bells with anyone? -Steve
Re: [9fans] 9p implemention using print() like formats for marshaling
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 05:13:58PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote: I am interested in a 9p implementation which used print()-like format strings for packet marshaling. This was pre-9p2k and I even have a vague memory that it was a student project, mentored by Rob, though I may have made that up. I found this code on the net a long time ago but I ahve lost the link; does this description ring any bells with anyone? Someone wrote a patch for libixp some years ago. The result was public, but not exceptionally nice, as I recall. That said, I suspect that I could write a nicer one in an hour or so, but I'm not really sure it's the best approach. -- Kris Maglione For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. --H. L. Mencken
Re: [9fans] 9p implemention using print() like formats for marshaling
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Steve Simonst...@quintile.net wrote: I am interested in a 9p implementation which used print()-like format strings for packet marshaling. This was pre-9p2k and I even have a vague memory that it was a student project, mentored by Rob, though I may have made that up. I found this code on the net a long time ago but I ahve lost the link; does this description ring any bells with anyone? I wasn't aware of the previous instance, but the stuff Anthony Ligouri did for the qemu-based-9p server used this approach and I liked it so much I sucked it into the v9fs kernel code but there isn't currently a standalone library version of it (but it should be trivial to extract it from the kernel code -- specifically: http://is.gd/1q7hV ). I wanted to do a Plan 9 version using fmtinstall (or some variant) because that should make it a lot cleaner, but never got around to doing it. -eric
Re: [9fans] my ts7200 port
What about emulating a usb-ethernet device in software? (Assuming the beagle board's usb interface can operate in gadget mode as opposed to host mode.) The Linux kernel does a good job of emulating a usb ethernet device, I use it extensively. I rather assumed the Bitsy port had this already, but perhaps not. Huh, I just realised that if both ends of the fake ethernet link run Plan 9 then the only advantage of what I suggested would be that both ends of the link are known quantities with open source code. Now I wonder if it might be simpler to implement 9p directly over USB. sure. but you still have to solve the problem of talking to the usb device. - erik
Re: [9fans] I have two questions
There is Linux application support, I have seen a screenshot which included Firefox; quite astonishing. I think only limited attention is paid to Linux app support as for many the whole point of using Plan 9 is to avoid the planet-sized amount of cruft un*x has accumulated, but it's there if you need it. if you're talking about linuxemu, cinap still works on it from time to time, and you can run a lot's of stuff with it, firefox, qemu, etc http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/linuxemu3/HOWTO -- Federico G. Benavento
