[9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-25 Thread Mathieu Lonjaret
Hi,

Will anyone here be attending fOSSa?
(http://fossa2010.inrialpes.fr/)
I'm afraid it doesn't look very interesting from a technical pov...

Mathieu



Re: [9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-25 Thread tlaronde
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:02:04AM +0200, Mathieu Lonjaret wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Will anyone here be attending fOSSa?
 (http://fossa2010.inrialpes.fr/)
 I'm afraid it doesn't look very interesting from a technical pov...

Yes... Quote:

the second edition of fOSSa conference presents this phenomenon as
a new social paradigm.

Sigh... And this is with our money... But as soon as I read: INRIA, I
knew.

There is so much to be done, and so few to do.
-- 
Thierry Laronde tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com
  http://www.kergis.com/
Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89  250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C



Re: [9fans] lock diagnostics on Fossil server

2010-10-25 Thread erik quanstrom
 I had a couple of CPU sessions running on it.  The most obvious trigger
 seems to have been exportfs, I eventually turned off the stats report

sounds familiar.  this patch needs to be applied to the kernel:

/n/sources/plan9//sys/src/9/port/chan.c:1012,1018 - chan.c:1012,1020
/*
 * mh-mount-to == c, so start at 
mh-mount-next
 */
+   f = nil;
rlock(mh-lock);
+   if(mh-mount)
for(f = mh-mount-next; f; f = f-next)
if((wq = ewalk(f-to, nil, names+nhave, 
ntry)) != nil)
break;

please apply.  if the problem persists after the fix, use acid to print the
source of the pcs and qpcs of the procs involved and send that offline.

- erik



Re: [9fans] import/export -B

2010-10-25 Thread erik quanstrom
 The only bit I don't get is why you have to supply a mountpoint to import.
 Surely import will always be running from listen and as such it will not
 be in any useful namespace so why mount anything?

would it make more sense if it instead said root of tree to be mounted?

- erik



[9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

2010-10-25 Thread Brantley Coile
hi guys,

as most on this list know, coraid makes storage devices that use plan 9 as the 
software platform.  we also use it as our primary development environment.  we 
still run a ken file server here.  plan 9 is fundamental to our vision.  coraid 
has become a hot silicon valley property and we are about to start another 
round of hiring developers.  i knew it would be a disservice to this mailing 
list if i didn't make an announcement here.

developers, qa, and support folks can work either in redwood city, ca or 
athens, ga.  there are the usual up and coming silicon valley startup stock 
options.  and in athens, you don't have to pay those silicon valley prices for 
housing and beer.  athens is very affordable on both these counts, especially 
the beer as anyone who attended the 2009 iwp9 will attest.

i hope we're creating a place that i would have wanted to work.  it's not every 
place that you can work with plan 9, get paid for it and participate in a high 
potential start-up.

please send resume's to me.

brantley




Re: [9fans] lock diagnostics on Fossil server

2010-10-25 Thread Lucio De Re
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 09:20:51AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
 
 sounds familiar.  this patch needs to be applied to the kernel:
 
 /n/sources/plan9//sys/src/9/port/chan.c:1012,1018 - chan.c:1012,1020
   /*
* mh-mount-to == c, so start at 
 mh-mount-next
*/
 + f = nil;
   rlock(mh-lock);
 + if(mh-mount)
   for(f = mh-mount-next; f; f = f-next)
   if((wq = ewalk(f-to, nil, names+nhave, 
 ntry)) != nil)
   break;
 
 please apply.  if the problem persists after the fix, use acid to print the
 source of the pcs and qpcs of the procs involved and send that offline.
 
Will do.  I was looking for that patch, you have posted it to 9fans
before.  Somehow, a quick search did not reveal what I was hoping to find.
I'll come back with some results soon.

++L



Re: [9fans] UPDATE: raw video from iwp9

2010-10-25 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
http://www.arl-external.com/iwp9-2010/

I've got several talks encoding and uploading now.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm back from travels and have started ripping and encoding the raw
 video from IWP9.
 First talk is done (talks may not be in order) and I'm uploading it
 now.  I'll post an update with a URL when I've got the first batch of
 tapes ripped, encoded, and uploaded (probably sometime tomorrow).

    -eric




Re: [9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

2010-10-25 Thread David Leimbach
Brantley,

I'm asking publicly because I'm betting it's a FAQ.  Do you consider remote
employees as a possibility, or do you require relocation?

Dave

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com wrote:

 hi guys,

 as most on this list know, coraid makes storage devices that use plan 9 as
 the software platform.  we also use it as our primary development
 environment.  we still run a ken file server here.  plan 9 is fundamental to
 our vision.  coraid has become a hot silicon valley property and we are
 about to start another round of hiring developers.  i knew it would be a
 disservice to this mailing list if i didn't make an announcement here.

 developers, qa, and support folks can work either in redwood city, ca or
 athens, ga.  there are the usual up and coming silicon valley startup stock
 options.  and in athens, you don't have to pay those silicon valley prices
 for housing and beer.  athens is very affordable on both these counts,
 especially the beer as anyone who attended the 2009 iwp9 will attest.

 i hope we're creating a place that i would have wanted to work.  it's not
 every place that you can work with plan 9, get paid for it and participate
 in a high potential start-up.

 please send resume's to me.

 brantley





Re: [9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

2010-10-25 Thread Brantley Coile
the positions are in redwood city, ca and athens, ga.

On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:17 AM, David Leimbach wrote:

 Brantley,
 
 I'm asking publicly because I'm betting it's a FAQ.  Do you consider remote 
 employees as a possibility, or do you require relocation?
 
 Dave
 
 On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com wrote:
 hi guys,
 
 as most on this list know, coraid makes storage devices that use plan 9 as 
 the software platform.  we also use it as our primary development 
 environment.  we still run a ken file server here.  plan 9 is fundamental to 
 our vision.  coraid has become a hot silicon valley property and we are about 
 to start another round of hiring developers.  i knew it would be a disservice 
 to this mailing list if i didn't make an announcement here.
 
 developers, qa, and support folks can work either in redwood city, ca or 
 athens, ga.  there are the usual up and coming silicon valley startup stock 
 options.  and in athens, you don't have to pay those silicon valley prices 
 for housing and beer.  athens is very affordable on both these counts, 
 especially the beer as anyone who attended the 2009 iwp9 will attest.
 
 i hope we're creating a place that i would have wanted to work.  it's not 
 every place that you can work with plan 9, get paid for it and participate in 
 a high potential start-up.
 
 please send resume's to me.
 
 brantley
 
 
 




Re: [9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

2010-10-25 Thread David Leimbach
That's actually not an answer but whatever... I guess I don't actually care.

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com wrote:

 the positions are in redwood city, ca and athens, ga.

 On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:17 AM, David Leimbach wrote:

  Brantley,
 
  I'm asking publicly because I'm betting it's a FAQ.  Do you consider
 remote employees as a possibility, or do you require relocation?
 
  Dave
 
  On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com
 wrote:
  hi guys,
 
  as most on this list know, coraid makes storage devices that use plan 9
 as the software platform.  we also use it as our primary development
 environment.  we still run a ken file server here.  plan 9 is fundamental to
 our vision.  coraid has become a hot silicon valley property and we are
 about to start another round of hiring developers.  i knew it would be a
 disservice to this mailing list if i didn't make an announcement here.
 
  developers, qa, and support folks can work either in redwood city, ca or
 athens, ga.  there are the usual up and coming silicon valley startup stock
 options.  and in athens, you don't have to pay those silicon valley prices
 for housing and beer.  athens is very affordable on both these counts,
 especially the beer as anyone who attended the 2009 iwp9 will attest.
 
  i hope we're creating a place that i would have wanted to work.  it's not
 every place that you can work with plan 9, get paid for it and participate
 in a high potential start-up.
 
  please send resume's to me.
 
  brantley
 
 
 





Re: [9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

2010-10-25 Thread Brantley Coile
i'm sorry.  those who are not in silicon valley or northeast georgia will have 
to relocate.  

On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:30 AM, David Leimbach wrote:

 That's actually not an answer but whatever... I guess I don't actually care.
 
 On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com wrote:
 the positions are in redwood city, ca and athens, ga.
 
 On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:17 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
 
  Brantley,
 
  I'm asking publicly because I'm betting it's a FAQ.  Do you consider remote 
  employees as a possibility, or do you require relocation?
 
  Dave
 
  On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com wrote:
  hi guys,
 
  as most on this list know, coraid makes storage devices that use plan 9 as 
  the software platform.  we also use it as our primary development 
  environment.  we still run a ken file server here.  plan 9 is fundamental 
  to our vision.  coraid has become a hot silicon valley property and we are 
  about to start another round of hiring developers.  i knew it would be a 
  disservice to this mailing list if i didn't make an announcement here.
 
  developers, qa, and support folks can work either in redwood city, ca or 
  athens, ga.  there are the usual up and coming silicon valley startup stock 
  options.  and in athens, you don't have to pay those silicon valley prices 
  for housing and beer.  athens is very affordable on both these counts, 
  especially the beer as anyone who attended the 2009 iwp9 will attest.
 
  i hope we're creating a place that i would have wanted to work.  it's not 
  every place that you can work with plan 9, get paid for it and participate 
  in a high potential start-up.
 
  please send resume's to me.
 
  brantley
 
 
 
 
 
 




Re: [9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

2010-10-25 Thread David Leimbach
Thank you for answering the question.  Let me explain my point of view on
the exchange.

I worked for a company in Birmingham AL for about 6 years from Seattle.  I
had Birmingham insurance, Birmingham HR people etc, but I was remote.  I
thought perhaps it was not clear if one could be a satellite employee for
one of those offices or not.

I felt that when you basically cut and pasted your response to me, that you
were irritated by my question and answering me in a rude way.  I was not
trying to troll the thread, but now it may appear to be the opposite.

I have a lot of respect for what you guys have done with Plan 9 and AOE, and
think it's an interesting business, but suddenly I felt that perhaps I
wouldn't have a compatible personality with the boss.

Anyway, I'd like to reboot the discussion, but it's in the archives now :-).

I do wish you, very sincerely, to have continued success with your business.

Dave

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com wrote:

 i'm sorry.  those who are not in silicon valley or northeast georgia will
 have to relocate.

 On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:30 AM, David Leimbach wrote:

  That's actually not an answer but whatever... I guess I don't actually
 care.
 
  On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com
 wrote:
  the positions are in redwood city, ca and athens, ga.
 
  On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:17 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
 
   Brantley,
  
   I'm asking publicly because I'm betting it's a FAQ.  Do you consider
 remote employees as a possibility, or do you require relocation?
  
   Dave
  
   On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com
 wrote:
   hi guys,
  
   as most on this list know, coraid makes storage devices that use plan 9
 as the software platform.  we also use it as our primary development
 environment.  we still run a ken file server here.  plan 9 is fundamental to
 our vision.  coraid has become a hot silicon valley property and we are
 about to start another round of hiring developers.  i knew it would be a
 disservice to this mailing list if i didn't make an announcement here.
  
   developers, qa, and support folks can work either in redwood city, ca
 or athens, ga.  there are the usual up and coming silicon valley startup
 stock options.  and in athens, you don't have to pay those silicon valley
 prices for housing and beer.  athens is very affordable on both these
 counts, especially the beer as anyone who attended the 2009 iwp9 will
 attest.
  
   i hope we're creating a place that i would have wanted to work.  it's
 not every place that you can work with plan 9, get paid for it and
 participate in a high potential start-up.
  
   please send resume's to me.
  
   brantley
  
  
  
 
 
 





Re: [9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

2010-10-25 Thread Brantley Coile
dave,

no problem.  i didn't cut and paste the answer, but i'm very sorry that i gave 
that impression.  i'm a pretty easygoing guy, a fact that isn't obvious over an 
email list.  i wasn't irritated by the question at all.  the question was a 
very good one.

the reason we can't do remote employees is that one of our objectives is that 
plan9ers have a positive cultural influence on the entire development group.  i 
feel such an influence requires daily interaction.  but we will keep you in 
mind as we grow.

in all my interactions i try to emulate the gentlemanly ways of dennis ritchie.
brantley

On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:55 AM, David Leimbach wrote:

 Thank you for answering the question.  Let me explain my point of view on the 
 exchange.
 
 I worked for a company in Birmingham AL for about 6 years from Seattle.  I 
 had Birmingham insurance, Birmingham HR people etc, but I was remote.  I 
 thought perhaps it was not clear if one could be a satellite employee for one 
 of those offices or not.
 
 I felt that when you basically cut and pasted your response to me, that you 
 were irritated by my question and answering me in a rude way.  I was not 
 trying to troll the thread, but now it may appear to be the opposite.  
 
 I have a lot of respect for what you guys have done with Plan 9 and AOE, and 
 think it's an interesting business, but suddenly I felt that perhaps I 
 wouldn't have a compatible personality with the boss.
 
 Anyway, I'd like to reboot the discussion, but it's in the archives now :-).
 
 I do wish you, very sincerely, to have continued success with your business.
 
 Dave
 
 On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com wrote:
 i'm sorry.  those who are not in silicon valley or northeast georgia will 
 have to relocate.
 
 On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:30 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
 
  That's actually not an answer but whatever... I guess I don't actually care.
 
  On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com wrote:
  the positions are in redwood city, ca and athens, ga.
 
  On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:17 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
 
   Brantley,
  
   I'm asking publicly because I'm betting it's a FAQ.  Do you consider 
   remote employees as a possibility, or do you require relocation?
  
   Dave
  
   On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com 
   wrote:
   hi guys,
  
   as most on this list know, coraid makes storage devices that use plan 9 
   as the software platform.  we also use it as our primary development 
   environment.  we still run a ken file server here.  plan 9 is fundamental 
   to our vision.  coraid has become a hot silicon valley property and we 
   are about to start another round of hiring developers.  i knew it would 
   be a disservice to this mailing list if i didn't make an announcement 
   here.
  
   developers, qa, and support folks can work either in redwood city, ca or 
   athens, ga.  there are the usual up and coming silicon valley startup 
   stock options.  and in athens, you don't have to pay those silicon valley 
   prices for housing and beer.  athens is very affordable on both these 
   counts, especially the beer as anyone who attended the 2009 iwp9 will 
   attest.
  
   i hope we're creating a place that i would have wanted to work.  it's not 
   every place that you can work with plan 9, get paid for it and 
   participate in a high potential start-up.
  
   please send resume's to me.
  
   brantley
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 




Re: [9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

2010-10-25 Thread David Leimbach
Brantley,

I apologize for my confrontational attitude.  It's totally unnecessary, and
I wish that I could take it all back.

You certainly didn't deserve it, and the 9fans aren't deserving the noise
I've caused by my stupid approach to this thread.

Dave

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.comwrote:

 dave,

 no problem.  i didn't cut and paste the answer, but i'm very sorry that i
 gave that impression.  i'm a pretty easygoing guy, a fact that isn't obvious
 over an email list.  i wasn't irritated by the question at all.  the
 question was a very good one.

 the reason we can't do remote employees is that one of our objectives is
 that plan9ers have a positive cultural influence on the entire development
 group.  i feel such an influence requires daily interaction.  but we will
 keep you in mind as we grow.

 in all my interactions i try to emulate the gentlemanly ways of dennis
 ritchie.
 brantley

 On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:55 AM, David Leimbach wrote:

  Thank you for answering the question.  Let me explain my point of view on
 the exchange.
 
  I worked for a company in Birmingham AL for about 6 years from Seattle.
  I had Birmingham insurance, Birmingham HR people etc, but I was remote.  I
 thought perhaps it was not clear if one could be a satellite employee for
 one of those offices or not.
 
  I felt that when you basically cut and pasted your response to me, that
 you were irritated by my question and answering me in a rude way.  I was not
 trying to troll the thread, but now it may appear to be the opposite.
 
  I have a lot of respect for what you guys have done with Plan 9 and AOE,
 and think it's an interesting business, but suddenly I felt that perhaps I
 wouldn't have a compatible personality with the boss.
 
  Anyway, I'd like to reboot the discussion, but it's in the archives now
 :-).
 
  I do wish you, very sincerely, to have continued success with your
 business.
 
  Dave
 
  On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com
 wrote:
  i'm sorry.  those who are not in silicon valley or northeast georgia will
 have to relocate.
 
  On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:30 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
 
   That's actually not an answer but whatever... I guess I don't actually
 care.
  
   On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com
 wrote:
   the positions are in redwood city, ca and athens, ga.
  
   On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:17 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
  
Brantley,
   
I'm asking publicly because I'm betting it's a FAQ.  Do you consider
 remote employees as a possibility, or do you require relocation?
   
Dave
   
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com
 wrote:
hi guys,
   
as most on this list know, coraid makes storage devices that use plan
 9 as the software platform.  we also use it as our primary development
 environment.  we still run a ken file server here.  plan 9 is fundamental to
 our vision.  coraid has become a hot silicon valley property and we are
 about to start another round of hiring developers.  i knew it would be a
 disservice to this mailing list if i didn't make an announcement here.
   
developers, qa, and support folks can work either in redwood city, ca
 or athens, ga.  there are the usual up and coming silicon valley startup
 stock options.  and in athens, you don't have to pay those silicon valley
 prices for housing and beer.  athens is very affordable on both these
 counts, especially the beer as anyone who attended the 2009 iwp9 will
 attest.
   
i hope we're creating a place that i would have wanted to work.  it's
 not every place that you can work with plan 9, get paid for it and
 participate in a high potential start-up.
   
please send resume's to me.
   
brantley
   
   
   
  
  
  
 
 
 





Re: [9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

2010-10-25 Thread Joseph Stewart
Dave,

The way I see this is two reasonable people working a misunderstanding out.
There are many contemporary examples of endless mud-slinging with no real
concern for solving problems or coming to a reasonable conclusion.

Regards,

-joe

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:38 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote:

 Brantley,

 I apologize for my confrontational attitude.  It's totally unnecessary, and
 I wish that I could take it all back.

 You certainly didn't deserve it, and the 9fans aren't deserving the noise
 I've caused by my stupid approach to this thread.

 Dave

 On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.comwrote:

 dave,

 no problem.  i didn't cut and paste the answer, but i'm very sorry that i
 gave that impression.  i'm a pretty easygoing guy, a fact that isn't obvious
 over an email list.  i wasn't irritated by the question at all.  the
 question was a very good one.

 the reason we can't do remote employees is that one of our objectives is
 that plan9ers have a positive cultural influence on the entire development
 group.  i feel such an influence requires daily interaction.  but we will
 keep you in mind as we grow.

 in all my interactions i try to emulate the gentlemanly ways of dennis
 ritchie.
 brantley

 On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:55 AM, David Leimbach wrote:

  Thank you for answering the question.  Let me explain my point of view
 on the exchange.
 
  I worked for a company in Birmingham AL for about 6 years from Seattle.
  I had Birmingham insurance, Birmingham HR people etc, but I was remote.  I
 thought perhaps it was not clear if one could be a satellite employee for
 one of those offices or not.
 
  I felt that when you basically cut and pasted your response to me, that
 you were irritated by my question and answering me in a rude way.  I was not
 trying to troll the thread, but now it may appear to be the opposite.
 
  I have a lot of respect for what you guys have done with Plan 9 and AOE,
 and think it's an interesting business, but suddenly I felt that perhaps I
 wouldn't have a compatible personality with the boss.
 
  Anyway, I'd like to reboot the discussion, but it's in the archives now
 :-).
 
  I do wish you, very sincerely, to have continued success with your
 business.
 
  Dave
 
  On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com
 wrote:
  i'm sorry.  those who are not in silicon valley or northeast georgia
 will have to relocate.
 
  On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:30 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
 
   That's actually not an answer but whatever... I guess I don't actually
 care.
  
   On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com
 wrote:
   the positions are in redwood city, ca and athens, ga.
  
   On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:17 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
  
Brantley,
   
I'm asking publicly because I'm betting it's a FAQ.  Do you consider
 remote employees as a possibility, or do you require relocation?
   
Dave
   
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Brantley Coile 
 brant...@coraid.com wrote:
hi guys,
   
as most on this list know, coraid makes storage devices that use
 plan 9 as the software platform.  we also use it as our primary development
 environment.  we still run a ken file server here.  plan 9 is fundamental to
 our vision.  coraid has become a hot silicon valley property and we are
 about to start another round of hiring developers.  i knew it would be a
 disservice to this mailing list if i didn't make an announcement here.
   
developers, qa, and support folks can work either in redwood city,
 ca or athens, ga.  there are the usual up and coming silicon valley startup
 stock options.  and in athens, you don't have to pay those silicon valley
 prices for housing and beer.  athens is very affordable on both these
 counts, especially the beer as anyone who attended the 2009 iwp9 will
 attest.
   
i hope we're creating a place that i would have wanted to work.
  it's not every place that you can work with plan 9, get paid for it and
 participate in a high potential start-up.
   
please send resume's to me.
   
brantley
   
   
   
  
  
  
 
 
 






Re: [9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

2010-10-25 Thread Nick LaForge
Sorry.  I really need to throw away this  mobile phone and NOT
accidentally hit send in gmail basic.

On 10/25/10, Nick LaForge nicklafo...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 10/25/10, Joseph Stewart joseph.stew...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dave,

 The way I see this is two reasonable people working a misunderstanding
 out.
 There are many contemporary examples of endless mud-slinging with no real
 concern for solving problems or coming to a reasonable conclusion.

 Regards,

 -joe

 On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:38 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Brantley,

 I apologize for my confrontational attitude.  It's totally unnecessary,
 and
 I wish that I could take it all back.

 You certainly didn't deserve it, and the 9fans aren't deserving the
 noise
 I've caused by my stupid approach to this thread.

 Dave

 On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Brantley Coile
 brant...@coraid.comwrote:

 dave,

 no problem.  i didn't cut and paste the answer, but i'm very sorry that
 i
 gave that impression.  i'm a pretty easygoing guy, a fact that isn't
 obvious
 over an email list.  i wasn't irritated by the question at all.  the
 question was a very good one.

 the reason we can't do remote employees is that one of our objectives
 is
 that plan9ers have a positive cultural influence on the entire
 development
 group.  i feel such an influence requires daily interaction.  but we
 will
 keep you in mind as we grow.

 in all my interactions i try to emulate the gentlemanly ways of dennis
 ritchie.
 brantley

 On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:55 AM, David Leimbach wrote:

  Thank you for answering the question.  Let me explain my point of
  view
 on the exchange.
 
  I worked for a company in Birmingham AL for about 6 years from
  Seattle.
  I had Birmingham insurance, Birmingham HR people etc, but I was
 remote.
 I
 thought perhaps it was not clear if one could be a satellite employee
 for
 one of those offices or not.
 
  I felt that when you basically cut and pasted your response to me,
  that
 you were irritated by my question and answering me in a rude way.  I
 was
 not
 trying to troll the thread, but now it may appear to be the opposite.
 
  I have a lot of respect for what you guys have done with Plan 9 and
  AOE,
 and think it's an interesting business, but suddenly I felt that
 perhaps
 I
 wouldn't have a compatible personality with the boss.
 
  Anyway, I'd like to reboot the discussion, but it's in the archives
  now
 :-).
 
  I do wish you, very sincerely, to have continued success with your
 business.
 
  Dave
 
  On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com
 wrote:
  i'm sorry.  those who are not in silicon valley or northeast georgia
 will have to relocate.
 
  On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:30 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
 
   That's actually not an answer but whatever... I guess I don't
   actually
 care.
  
   On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Brantley Coile
   brant...@coraid.com
 wrote:
   the positions are in redwood city, ca and athens, ga.
  
   On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:17 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
  
Brantley,
   
I'm asking publicly because I'm betting it's a FAQ.  Do you
consider
 remote employees as a possibility, or do you require relocation?
   
Dave
   
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Brantley Coile 
 brant...@coraid.com wrote:
hi guys,
   
as most on this list know, coraid makes storage devices that use
 plan 9 as the software platform.  we also use it as our primary
 development
 environment.  we still run a ken file server here.  plan 9 is
 fundamental
 to
 our vision.  coraid has become a hot silicon valley property and we are
 about to start another round of hiring developers.  i knew it would be
 a
 disservice to this mailing list if i didn't make an announcement here.
   
developers, qa, and support folks can work either in redwood
city,
 ca or athens, ga.  there are the usual up and coming silicon valley
 startup
 stock options.  and in athens, you don't have to pay those silicon
 valley
 prices for housing and beer.  athens is very affordable on both these
 counts, especially the beer as anyone who attended the 2009 iwp9 will
 attest.
   
i hope we're creating a place that i would have wanted to work.
  it's not every place that you can work with plan 9, get paid for it
 and
 participate in a high potential start-up.
   
please send resume's to me.
   
brantley
   
   
   
  
  
  
 
 
 









Re: [9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

2010-10-25 Thread Nick LaForge
On 10/25/10, Joseph Stewart joseph.stew...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dave,

 The way I see this is two reasonable people working a misunderstanding out.
 There are many contemporary examples of endless mud-slinging with no real
 concern for solving problems or coming to a reasonable conclusion.

 Regards,

 -joe

 On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:38 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote:

 Brantley,

 I apologize for my confrontational attitude.  It's totally unnecessary,
 and
 I wish that I could take it all back.

 You certainly didn't deserve it, and the 9fans aren't deserving the noise
 I've caused by my stupid approach to this thread.

 Dave

 On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Brantley Coile
 brant...@coraid.comwrote:

 dave,

 no problem.  i didn't cut and paste the answer, but i'm very sorry that i
 gave that impression.  i'm a pretty easygoing guy, a fact that isn't
 obvious
 over an email list.  i wasn't irritated by the question at all.  the
 question was a very good one.

 the reason we can't do remote employees is that one of our objectives is
 that plan9ers have a positive cultural influence on the entire
 development
 group.  i feel such an influence requires daily interaction.  but we will
 keep you in mind as we grow.

 in all my interactions i try to emulate the gentlemanly ways of dennis
 ritchie.
 brantley

 On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:55 AM, David Leimbach wrote:

  Thank you for answering the question.  Let me explain my point of view
 on the exchange.
 
  I worked for a company in Birmingham AL for about 6 years from Seattle.
  I had Birmingham insurance, Birmingham HR people etc, but I was remote.
 I
 thought perhaps it was not clear if one could be a satellite employee for
 one of those offices or not.
 
  I felt that when you basically cut and pasted your response to me, that
 you were irritated by my question and answering me in a rude way.  I was
 not
 trying to troll the thread, but now it may appear to be the opposite.
 
  I have a lot of respect for what you guys have done with Plan 9 and
  AOE,
 and think it's an interesting business, but suddenly I felt that perhaps
 I
 wouldn't have a compatible personality with the boss.
 
  Anyway, I'd like to reboot the discussion, but it's in the archives now
 :-).
 
  I do wish you, very sincerely, to have continued success with your
 business.
 
  Dave
 
  On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com
 wrote:
  i'm sorry.  those who are not in silicon valley or northeast georgia
 will have to relocate.
 
  On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:30 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
 
   That's actually not an answer but whatever... I guess I don't
   actually
 care.
  
   On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com
 wrote:
   the positions are in redwood city, ca and athens, ga.
  
   On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:17 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
  
Brantley,
   
I'm asking publicly because I'm betting it's a FAQ.  Do you
consider
 remote employees as a possibility, or do you require relocation?
   
Dave
   
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Brantley Coile 
 brant...@coraid.com wrote:
hi guys,
   
as most on this list know, coraid makes storage devices that use
 plan 9 as the software platform.  we also use it as our primary
 development
 environment.  we still run a ken file server here.  plan 9 is fundamental
 to
 our vision.  coraid has become a hot silicon valley property and we are
 about to start another round of hiring developers.  i knew it would be a
 disservice to this mailing list if i didn't make an announcement here.
   
developers, qa, and support folks can work either in redwood city,
 ca or athens, ga.  there are the usual up and coming silicon valley
 startup
 stock options.  and in athens, you don't have to pay those silicon valley
 prices for housing and beer.  athens is very affordable on both these
 counts, especially the beer as anyone who attended the 2009 iwp9 will
 attest.
   
i hope we're creating a place that i would have wanted to work.
  it's not every place that you can work with plan 9, get paid for it and
 participate in a high potential start-up.
   
please send resume's to me.
   
brantley
   
   
   
  
  
  
 
 
 








Re: [9fans] lock diagnostics on Fossil server

2010-10-25 Thread cinap_lenrek
hm... wouldnt it just crash if mh-mount is nil?

--
cinap
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 I had a couple of CPU sessions running on it.  The most obvious trigger
 seems to have been exportfs, I eventually turned off the stats report

sounds familiar.  this patch needs to be applied to the kernel:

/n/sources/plan9//sys/src/9/port/chan.c:1012,1018 - chan.c:1012,1020
/*
 * mh-mount-to == c, so start at 
mh-mount-next
 */
+   f = nil;
rlock(mh-lock);
+   if(mh-mount)
for(f = mh-mount-next; f; f = f-next)
if((wq = ewalk(f-to, nil, names+nhave, 
ntry)) != nil)
break;

please apply.  if the problem persists after the fix, use acid to print the
source of the pcs and qpcs of the procs involved and send that offline.

- erik
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