Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Winston Kodogo 
Hey Adriano

It seems as if the list is not totally moribund after all, even if these
days people will insist on talking about Plan9 on it, rather than posting
informative digressions about almost everything else. I hope you got at
least some of the responses which your original message sparked. The list
is not mute, so if you're not getting the number of responses you expect,
checking your spam bucket is probably a good idea.

On Aug 23, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Adriano Verardo  wrote:

Thank you Winston, pleased to hear from you.
Really, my email accounts work (mail dot com too) .
And I've also received the 9fans subscription confirmation of changes.

I personally have been technically dead for some time, but am still
receiving emails from the list, so the problem may be at your end. In which
case of course you won't see this. Bugger.

On 23 August 2016 at 12:00, Adriano Verardo  wrote:

   Hi, all
   I don'receive from the group since June.
   I've changed my subscription, opened another gmail account
   (mail-dot-com had problems),
   contacted 9fans staff etc etc
   Could anyone kindly le me know about problems or whatever else
   reason why
   9fans seems to be mute ?

   Thanks.

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Steve Simon 

hi all.

I get less time for plan9 too, a new higher pressure job and twins are my 
excuses. I still have my home server which is my mail and web presence and 
maintains my domain, A raspberry Pi at work runs my desktop.

I hope fix the broken raspberry Pi audio and write a Dropbox client... and port 
the svn client, but that has been ongoing for years.

-Steve

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Steven Stallion 
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Brantley Coile  wrote:
> We haven’t stopped using it, but then again, we don’t talk much on the list.

I'm guilty of this as well. I still run a dedicated fileserver at home
backed by a venti store running on a biggish storage array served by
plan9port. My cpu servers are still alive and well and the pi terminal
I keep next to the rack in the basement is as functional as ever.

I haven't had as much time to dedicate to plan9 the last couple of
years, but for reasons well known by other 9fans, I can't bring myself
to decommission the hardware.

That said, I did find the time over my winter holiday to write a
collectd agent for plan9, so I've been happily collecting statistics
for the last eight months. If I can get around to writing a man page
for it, I'll happily copy it out to sources for those that are
interested.

Cheers,

Steve

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Brian L. Stuart 
On Tue, 8/23/16, Brantley Coile  wrote:
> We haven’t stopped using it, but then again, we don’t talk much on the
> list.

I can say this particular 9 fan isn't dead...just aging.  My main file server
here at home runs Plan9, but with my own file system, rather than Ken's.
My auth server is a Raspberry Pi B running Richard's port.  I run 9vx as
a terminal taking its root from my file server daily, and run it with a local
root at the office.  There's another older Pi B running stand-alone at the
office.  I tought a course last fall using Plan9 on Raspberry Pis, and I still
use Inferno internals to teach my undergrad OS class.  Plus one of my
students did an independent study last year starting a port to the Banana Pi.
So at least in my little world, Plan9 is very much alive and being used.

BLS

P.S.  On the other hand, the last six months my little world has included
a lot of activity related to the ENIAC.  So YMMV.

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Jules Merit 
>From Nero to Zero

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Kurt H Maier 
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:05:10AM -0700, David Walther wrote:
> Then the whiskey wore off.

[citation needed]

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Adriano Verardo 

Brantley Coile wrote:

We haven’t stopped using it, but then again, we don’t talk much on the list.

I’ve been using Plan 9 since 1995, before that I only used it at the Labs. I’ll 
be using it when I assume room temperature.

We still run Ken’s file server that Erik modified into a diskless file server 
using our AoE appliances behind it. I develop on Plan 9 exclusively. And we use 
it as a distributed operating system running on about a dozen machines.

I suspect that we might the be only ones.
No, I use Plan9 at home since the first public distro, and since 2007 on 
production plant.

... I'm sure I'm the only professional using Plan9 in Italy
I don't know about non-professional italian users.

In 2005  I tried to  attract the attention of some academic friends, because
I think that Plan9 could be very suited for distributed appls on many small
machines on a slow net.
Some robotic appl have this characteristcs etc etc.
No response from the University where I graduated 30+ years ago,
no Prof Ballestero's great work appreciation etc.

Ah, now I see the list active. Bliss. No messages back, 50% OK

Thanks  a lot to all in the list.
adriano

On Aug 23, 2016, at 2:06 PM, stanley lieber  wrote:

Don Bailey  wrote:


Plan 9 shall never die.


On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 8:21 AM, David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com>
wrote:


I see from the archive (http://marc.info/?l=9fans) there were no

messages at

all in June, maybe everyone was tired out after the 203 messages in

May?

The 9fans mailing list was down from approximately June 1 to July 25.

--
David du Colombier



People just stop using it.

sl

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread stanley lieber 
Skip Tavakkolian  wrote:

> In fact the population of 9fans in
>my
>neighborhood has doubled.

Shades of damned lies and statistics?

sl

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Skip Tavakkolian 
9fans.net is a free service provided/managed by Russ for the community. It was
offline for a little while; it looks like it was going through an update
and/or change of hosting environment.

as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans in my
neighborhood has doubled.

-Skip

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 5:01 PM Adriano Verardo 
wrote:

> Hi, all
> I don'receive from the group since June.
> I've changed my subscription, opened another gmail account (mail-dot-com
> had problems),
> contacted 9fans staff etc etc
> Could anyone kindly le me know about problems or whatever else reason why
> 9fans seems to be mute ?
>
> Thanks.
>
>

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Jules Merit 
Well someone Runed plan9.
UFans

On Aug 23, 2016 11:14 AM, "Brantley Coile"  wrote:

> We haven’t stopped using it, but then again, we don’t talk much on the
> list.
>
> I’ve been using Plan 9 since 1995, before that I only used it at the Labs.
> I’ll be using it when I assume room temperature.
>
> We still run Ken’s file server that Erik modified into a diskless file
> server using our AoE appliances behind it. I develop on Plan 9 exclusively.
> And we use it as a distributed operating system running on about a dozen
> machines.
>
> I suspect that we might the be only ones.
>
>   Brantley
>
> > On Aug 23, 2016, at 2:06 PM, stanley lieber  wrote:
> >
> > Don Bailey  wrote:
> >
> >> Plan 9 shall never die.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 8:21 AM, David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
>  I see from the archive (http://marc.info/?l=9fans) there were no
> >>> messages at
>  all in June, maybe everyone was tired out after the 203 messages in
> >> May?
> >>>
> >>> The 9fans mailing list was down from approximately June 1 to July 25.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> David du Colombier
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> > People just stop using it.
> >
> > sl
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread stanley lieber 
Brantley Coile  wrote:

>We haven’t stopped using it, but then again, we don’t talk much on the
>list.
>
>I’ve been using Plan 9 since 1995, before that I only used it at the
>Labs. I’ll be using it when I assume room temperature.
>
>We still run Ken’s file server that Erik modified into a diskless file
>server using our AoE appliances behind it. I develop on Plan 9
>exclusively. And we use it as a distributed operating system running on
>about a dozen machines.
>
>I suspect that we might the be only ones.
>
>  Brantley
>
>> On Aug 23, 2016, at 2:06 PM, stanley lieber  wrote:
>>
>> Don Bailey  wrote:
>>
>>> Plan 9 shall never die.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 8:21 AM, David du Colombier
><0in...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
> I see from the archive (http://marc.info/?l=9fans) there were no
 messages at
> all in June, maybe everyone was tired out after the 203 messages
>in
>>> May?

 The 9fans mailing list was down from approximately June 1 to July
>25.

 --
 David du Colombier


>>
>> People just stop using it.
>>
>> sl
>>
>>

I meant the people busy not posting on this mailing list. I run Plan 9 on my 
personal workstation, and we serve all the 9front stuff (file shares, mailing 
lists, websites -- everything but the mercurial repository) from Plan 9.

The culture of this mailing list has always been running UNIX and sometimes 
talking about Plan 9. First because Plan 9 was not generally available, and now 
because macbooks and the web. Even the authors of Plan 9 quit research to build 
websites for a living. They declared a Plan 9 free zone in their own computing 
lives over a decade ago.

To be fair, many people need to do things at a given moment that Plan 9 cannot 
be made to do without undertaking an enormous and likely futile effort. One of 
the reasons the project stalled is that it is too difficult to keep up with the 
demands of the outside world.

I agree, it sucks.

Are you hiring, by any chance?

sl

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Brantley Coile 
We haven’t stopped using it, but then again, we don’t talk much on the list.

I’ve been using Plan 9 since 1995, before that I only used it at the Labs. I’ll 
be using it when I assume room temperature. 

We still run Ken’s file server that Erik modified into a diskless file server 
using our AoE appliances behind it. I develop on Plan 9 exclusively. And we use 
it as a distributed operating system running on about a dozen machines.

I suspect that we might the be only ones.

  Brantley

> On Aug 23, 2016, at 2:06 PM, stanley lieber  wrote:
> 
> Don Bailey  wrote:
> 
>> Plan 9 shall never die.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 8:21 AM, David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
 I see from the archive (http://marc.info/?l=9fans) there were no
>>> messages at
 all in June, maybe everyone was tired out after the 203 messages in
>> May?
>>> 
>>> The 9fans mailing list was down from approximately June 1 to July 25.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> David du Colombier
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> People just stop using it.
> 
> sl
> 
>

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread stanley lieber 
Don Bailey  wrote:

>Plan 9 shall never die.
>
>
>On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 8:21 AM, David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> > I see from the archive (http://marc.info/?l=9fans) there were no
>> messages at
>> > all in June, maybe everyone was tired out after the 203 messages in
>May?
>>
>> The 9fans mailing list was down from approximately June 1 to July 25.
>>
>> --
>> David du Colombier
>>
>>

People just stop using it.

sl

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Don Bailey 
Plan 9 shall never die.


On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 8:21 AM, David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > I see from the archive (http://marc.info/?l=9fans) there were no
> messages at
> > all in June, maybe everyone was tired out after the 203 messages in May?
>
> The 9fans mailing list was down from approximately June 1 to July 25.
>
> --
> David du Colombier
>
>

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread David du Colombier 
> I see from the archive (http://marc.info/?l=9fans) there were no messages at
> all in June, maybe everyone was tired out after the 203 messages in May?

The 9fans mailing list was down from approximately June 1 to July 25.

-- 
David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Peter Hull 

On 23/08/16 13:39, Adriano Verardo wrote:

Yes, but not in June/July and all around the world.
Sent just to see if this message reaches the list.
Your message definitely has reached the list ... whether it gets back to 
you is another matter!


I see from the archive (http://marc.info/?l=9fans) there were no 
messages at all in June, maybe everyone was tired out after the 203 
messages in May?


Cheers,
Peter

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Adriano Verardo 

tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:01:48PM +0300, Costin Chirvasuta wrote:

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Andrew Nazarov
 wrote:

I thought the same, but yesterday I noticed that suddenly gmail has begun to
mark all the recent 9fans messages as spam.

Same here. Only about 4 messages though (each from a different
person). A few others got through.

I'm not using gmail and the list has been quiet for some weeks. But it
is general in August altogether with whatever list.

Yes, but not in June/July and all around the world.
Sent just to see if this message reaches the list.
I should have it back in my inbox in a few minutes.
adriano

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread hiro 
Join us at the google retreat.

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread tlaronde 
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:01:48PM +0300, Costin Chirvasuta wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Andrew Nazarov
>  wrote:
> > I thought the same, but yesterday I noticed that suddenly gmail has begun to
> > mark all the recent 9fans messages as spam.
> 
> Same here. Only about 4 messages though (each from a different
> person). A few others got through.

I'm not using gmail and the list has been quiet for some weeks. But it
is general in August altogether with whatever list.
-- 
Thierry Laronde 
 http://www.kergis.com/
Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89  250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Costin Chirvasuta 
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Andrew Nazarov
 wrote:
> I thought the same, but yesterday I noticed that suddenly gmail has begun to
> mark all the recent 9fans messages as spam.

Same here. Only about 4 messages though (each from a different
person). A few others got through.

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Brantley Coile 
On Aug 22, 2016, at 10:14 PM, Staven  wrote:
> 
> We live, we die, we live again!
> 

Tell me about it!

Coraid lived, Coraid died, now Coraid lives again. 

And is shipping Plan 9 still. Over my objections the attempt to replace Plan 9 
with another OS ended Coraid, Inc. Now, SouthSuite, Inc. has the Coraid 
trademark and technology (the Plan 9 stuff). Seems Plan 9 won. http://coraid.com

  Brantley

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread David Walther 

Computing is dead.  You killed it.  Plan9 couldn't survive.  It was too good.
Haskell is a pious fraud.  Rob Pike is our Pied Piper.  Like Saint Paul.

*mic drop*

Unix fills its niche.  Android added BeOS features to Linux.  What does Plan9
bring to the table other than 9fs (now ported to Linux)?

Last nighted I was tempted to boostrap my own FORTH implementation to create a
Lisp operating system.  Then the whiskey wore off.

FORTH and LISP have both been ported to Arduino.  Plan 9 is fun to program; how
to make it mainstream?  The brain is continually cudgeled over such concerns.

If BeOS and Plan9 were merged to run on top of the Linux kernel, what would it
look like?  And if a tree falls in the forest, does anyone hear it?

Is there a problem for which Plan9 is the best solution?  Pure Programmer
Satisfaction doesn't pay the mortgage.

David

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 09:06:29AM +0300, Andrew Nazarov wrote:

I thought the same, but yesterday I noticed that suddenly gmail has begun to
mark all the recent 9fans messages as spam. So, check out your Spam folder,
maybe you'll find something. There is a glimmer of life, not much though)).

On 23 August 2016 at 08:30,  wrote:

   On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 02:14:54AM +, Staven wrote:
   > We live, we die, we live again!

   We simply sleep from time to time...
   --
           Thierry Laronde 
                        http://www.kergis.com/
   Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89  250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Andrew Nazarov 
I thought the same, but yesterday I noticed that suddenly gmail has begun
to mark all the recent 9fans messages as spam. So, check out your Spam
folder, maybe you'll find something. There is a glimmer of life, not much
though)).

On 23 August 2016 at 08:30,  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 02:14:54AM +, Staven wrote:
> > We live, we die, we live again!
>
> We simply sleep from time to time...
> --
> Thierry Laronde 
>  http://www.kergis.com/
> Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89  250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C
>
>