Re: [9fans] Hack font for plan9

[Andrew Simmons]

What size grapefruit are we talking here? Using grapefruit bought from my local 
supermarket (http://www.paknsave.co.nz/upper-north-island/auckland/royal-oak/) 
I could fit at most 5 vertically, 7 horizontally into the screen of a 27 inch 
iMac. I’m fairly sure I could fit more 9pt lucm runes on my screen. But while 
I’m here, for those of you who are fans of Lucida Grande for code, does it 
never piss you off that [] looks like a box in that typeface, there being no 
apparent gap between the left and right brackets?

> On Nov 17, 2016, at 4:35 AM, Stanley Lieber  wrote:
> 
> Steve Simon  wrote:
> 
>>> I have converted the open source font called Hack to plan 9 font
>> format.
>> 
>> Thats nice, not sure if I will switch, I will try it for a week or
>> so...
>> 
>> I think the sizes are wrong, the 14 point in the hack directory looks
>> close to 9 point in
>> the plan9 pelm font.
>> 
>> -Steve
> 
> To be fair, 9pt lucm appears as (roughly) grapefruit sized runes on most 
> screens. Compare with 9pt fonts as rendered on an 8.5x11 page by ghostscript.
> 
> sl
> 
> 

[9fans] Job interview questions

[Andrew Simmons]

I’ve just been asked to respond to the following. Apart from number 8, where 
the answer is clearly “because they are clinically insane”, I am at a loss. Any 
hints from the group?

1)   What is the base object in .Net
2)   Which version of Asp.Net MVC have you used
3)   Explain MVC in general
4)   Which version of the .Net are you most familiar with
5)   Explain why you would use an outer join vs an inner join
6)   Can you explain the request Flow in Asp.Net MVC
7)   Explain Dependency Injection
8)   Why would a developer choose to use EF
9)   What is the difference between Javascript and jQuery
10) What are extensions methods
11) What source control systems have you used
12) Have you gathered systems requirements from clients? If so, please 
give some details

Re: [9fans] IWP9

[Andrew Simmons]

I assume it’s going to be held in Rio?

Re: [9fans] Any demand for a supported Windows version of p9port?

[Andrew Simmons]

Steve, thanks for the thoughtful reply. Your solution wouldn’t work for me, but 
it obviously does for you, so go in peace. And the answer to the question in my 
subject line is obviously “No”.

> On Jul 28, 2016, at 10:49 PM, Steve Simon  wrote:
> 
> I have a different approach.
> 
> Personally I have only command line utilities as I keep Plan9 as my desktop 
> (raspberry PI).
> 
> I need to cross compile on windows so I have a tool to cpu into a windows box 
> (called dos).
> This allows me to have a rio window onto a a dos shell.
> 
> It does the trick like cpu(1) to allow me to hop from a plan9 rc(1) session 
> (in a cifs
> mounted directory on the windows box), into an rc(1) session on windows and 
> arrive at the same
> directory. 
> 
> I use 'local 9fs billy' at startup to make sure sam, rio, and all windows can 
> see my windows box,
> thus plumb on windows "just works" to edit files.
> 
> e.g.
> 
> My windows box is called billy (after mr gates) and my plan9 one is custard 
> (nice with raspberry pies).
> 
>   custard% 
>   custard% cat /dev/osversion ; echo
>   2000
>   custard% pwd
>   /n/billy/c/New/Application
>   custard% dos
>   billy%  mswin/osversion
>   Windows 7
>   billy% pwd
>   c:/New/Application
>   billy% 
>   billy% make
>   mingw32-make -s - -C Debug Application.elf 
>   billy% 
> 
> I could port gmake and the gcc cross compiler to plan9 to do this but there 
> would always be
> bits missing and I need to be sure that what I check in can be built by other 
> people working
> on windows.
> 
> It compiles under mingw32 - I started a mingw64 version but never finished 
> the work (sorry).
> The port predates 9pf, I would probably have used that if I had existed. It 
> also contains none
> of the graphics code that 9pf has, so no native windows sam; though I have no 
> need of it in my
> environment.
> 
> This is all available if anyone wants it.
> 
> -Steve
> 

Re: [9fans] Any demand for a supported Windows version of p9port?

[Andrew Simmons]

And even though they’re free, you’d presumably say that the price is still too 
high.

> On Jul 28, 2016, at 9:15 PM, Staven  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 01:41:43PM +1200, Winston Kodogo wrote:
>> I was kind of wondering if there was an option for people who like Microsoft 
>> development tools to build Plan9 tools, which are admittedly a minority 
>> taste in the Windows world, without spending several weeks installing 3rd 
>> party tools and then being told how stupid they are.
> 
> If I bought Microsoft development tools, I'd at least expect to be told
> how stupid I am in a timely manner.
> 
> 

Re: [9fans] Any demand for a supported Windows version of p9port?

[Andrew Simmons]

I'd use whichever version is the latest free one. VS2015 community edition is 
the one I use, but MS are still pretty good about backward compatibility, so 
any previous version should do.

> On 28/07/2016, at 5:09 PM, Joseph Stewart <joseph.stew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Which version of MS Visual Studio would you use?
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Winston Kodogo <kod...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey Chris
>> 
>> Cygwin is an option. Albeit one I wouldn’t use. The guys who did pf9 used 
>> mingw. Which I also wouldn’t use. I like MS Visual Studio with access to the 
>> native libraries on the platform of my choice - so colour me bigoted.
>> 
>> I was kind of wondering if there was an option for people who like Microsoft 
>> development tools to build Plan9 tools, which are admittedly a minority 
>> taste in the Windows world, without spending several weeks installing 3rd 
>> party tools and then being told how stupid they are.
>> > On 28/07/2016, at 1:27 PM, Chris McGee <sirnewton...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > I was thinking of using Cygwin to see would be capable of compiling p9p.
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> >> On Jul 27, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Andrew Simmons <kod...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What the subject line says.
>> >>
>> >> This is not remotely intended to disrespect Sean Quinlan’s 9pm, or the 
>> >> guys who did pf9. I’m just asking because there are still chunks of p9p 
>> >> that I’d like to have under Windows. Some of the chunks I want (mostly 
>> >> the command line utilities, also sam, not so much acme) I’ve managed to 
>> >> build under Microsoft Visual Studio (note to self - wash mouth out and 
>> >> learn to eschew IDEs and love mk ((also, sub-note to self, don’t use 
>> >> syntax highlighting)))
>> >>
>> >> But, and this is a large but, there are parts of p9port that seem to be 
>> >> dependent on the Unix world - unix pipes for one, the stuff about sigjmp 
>> >> for another.
>> >>
>> >> So, what the subject line says, but also - how much of the Unix-specific 
>> >> stuff in the current p9p is essential to a port to Windows?
>> >>
>> >> Go in peace
>> >> James V Choate XXXVI
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> 
> 

[9fans] Any demand for a supported Windows version of p9port?

[Andrew Simmons]

What the subject line says.

This is not remotely intended to disrespect Sean Quinlan’s 9pm, or the guys who 
did pf9. I’m just asking because there are still chunks of p9p that I’d like to 
have under Windows. Some of the chunks I want (mostly the command line 
utilities, also sam, not so much acme) I’ve managed to build under Microsoft 
Visual Studio (note to self - wash mouth out and learn to eschew IDEs and love 
mk ((also, sub-note to self, don’t use syntax highlighting)))

But, and this is a large but, there are parts of p9port that seem to be 
dependent on the Unix world - unix pipes for one, the stuff about sigjmp for 
another.

So, what the subject line says, but also - how much of the Unix-specific stuff 
in the current p9p is essential to a port to Windows?

Go in peace
James V Choate XXXVI

Re: [9fans] Compiling ken-cc on Linux

[Andrew Simmons]

> the only library on earth that makes me want to bang my head on the floor.
> 
You need to get out more

Re: [9fans] Off topic: Linus rants against GCC-isms

[Andrew Simmons]

I had that, but a line break before the 27472 was the problem for me. Try this:

http://gizmodo.com/you-dont-need-to-understand-programming-to-appreciate-t-1739927472

But totally unrelated? I think not. Clicking a link on the “wrong” page sent me 
to “The 9 language monologue” by “a person who speaks 9":

https://www.babbel.com/en/magazine/10-tips-from-an-expert?bsc=engmag-a1-vid-bv1-tipsandtricks-tb=default_campaign=cd_engall_gen_cx1_tipsandtricks_medium=CON_source=taboola

> On Nov 5, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Ryan Gonzalez  wrote:
> 
> FYI, try googling "linus you don't need to understand programming". The link 
> keeps taking me somewhere completely unrelated.
> 
> On November 4, 2015 9:41:56 PM CST, Aharon Robbins  wrote:
> Hi All.
> 
> Although this group in general doesn't like Linux, I think most of you
> might enjoy his rant:
> 
> http://gizmodo.com/you-dont-need-to-understand-programming-to-appreciate-t-17399
> 27472
> 
> Arnold
> 
> 
> -- 
> Sent from my Nexus 5 with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [9fans] rpi boot

[Andrew Simmons]

> On Oct 24, 2015, at 12:26 PM, da Tyga  wrote:
> 
> I might be doing something wrong here, I was just responding to Adriano's 
> post - which I thought remained at the bottom of my response.
> 

No it was me doing something wrong and top-posting. Sorry, I occasionally slip 
into the habit.

Re: [9fans] Web Gardens

[Andrew Simmons]

This reminds me, should you find yourself in Auckland, be sure to visit Roger 
the Shrubber in Mangere for all of your Web shrubbery requirements:

http://www.localist.co.nz/l/tazcwz


> On Oct 14, 2015, at 9:35 PM, Charles Forsyth  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 14 October 2015 at 09:32, Charles Forsyth  
> wrote:
> No, it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIV4poUZAQo
> 
> As usual, the official reference was short on the implementation detail. Try 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQfGd3G6dg

Re: [9fans] Web Gardens

[Andrew Simmons]

Thanks to all for the excellent and occasionally informative suggestions. I 
don’t think there’s any risk of my being offered the job, but I wish I’d had 
the concepts of “web allotment” and “web sharecropper” to hand during the 
interview.

> On Oct 13, 2015, at 5:13 AM, Kurt H Maier <k...@sciops.net> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 05:57:16PM +1300, Andrew Simmons wrote:
>> As a diversion from the discussion of the existential essence of Javascript, 
>> could I ask the group for a view on the meaning of the term "Web Garden"? 
>> I was just asked about this in a job interview. 
> 
> This is a concept that has developed in the Windows world because a lot
> of the .net web server tech tends to share state per-process.  In order
> to have multiple backend processes running on a single server you
> generally have to play games with information sharing between processes.
> It's just another reason web services on Windows can be such a pain in
> the ass.
> 
>> Supplementary question - how would you implement a Web Garden in Plan9?
> 
> We've found it easier to hire more web sharecroppers when yields aren't
> sufficient.
> 
> khm
> 

[9fans] Web Gardens

[Andrew Simmons]

As a diversion from the discussion of the existential essence of Javascript, 
could I ask the group for a view on the meaning of the term "Web Garden"? I was 
just asked about this in a job interview. Supplementary question - how would 
you implement a Web Garden in Plan9?

> On 9/10/2015, at 2:48 PM, Hugo Rivera  wrote:
> 
> ahh, thanks.
> 
> 2015-10-08 20:32 GMT-04:00 Ryan Gonzalez :
>> The newest OSX version: http://www.apple.com/osx/whats-new/.
>> 
>>> On October 8, 2015 6:57:15 PM CDT, Hugo Rivera  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Who is el capitán?
>>> 
>>> 2015-10-08 19:06 GMT-04:00 marius eriksen :
 
 works great. and the split view feature is fantastic with full screen
 acme.
>> 
>> --
>> Sent from my Nexus 5 with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Hugo
> 

Re: [9fans] tls and iphones and ios9 (sigh)

[Andrew Simmons]

Such are my limitations, I’m not sure what you mean by "cannot access my email 
on plan9”.

Email works fine for me on my obsolete iPad 4.


> On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:33 am, Steve Simon  wrote:
> 
> I upgraded my iphone to ios9 and now cannot access my email on plan9 -
> no sniggering at the back.
> 
> It seems apple require 1024bit keys for Diffe helman exchanges in TLS,
> and DH + RSA is no longer sypported at all.
> 
> Primarly this is a warning to 9fans about the perils of ios9
> and a vain hope that somone might be looking at modifying libsec.
> 
> -Steve
> 

Re: [9fans] Wildly off-topic

[Andrew Simmons]

 
 This list gets downright goddamn surreal at times.
 
 khm
 
 

You say that as if it’s a bad thing.

Re: [9fans] Wildly off-topic

[Andrew Simmons]

 On Jun 16, 2015, at 3:48 pm, Kim Shrier k...@westryn.net wrote:
 
 My copy of the first edition from 1978 has a white cover with blue lettering.
 
 Kim
 
 

Mine did too. The one on the show is clearly not the second edition, but has a 
light blue cover with darker blue lettering, apart from the “C”, which is red. 
Tragic obsessive, me??? I blame gcc.

[9fans] Wildly off-topic

[Andrew Simmons]

As the subject line says, wildly off-topic. But some-one here might know the 
answer, and it’s been bothering me.

Such are my failings, I’ve been watching the second series of “Halt and Catch 
Fire” in order to catch up with what the kids are up to these days. In the 
second episode one of the characters opens what looks like a copy of KR first 
edition, but the cover is blue. I thought that the colour correction on my TV 
might be deceiving me, or possibly the vertical hold was on the fritz, but he 
did it again in the third episode, and the cover was still blue.

So my question is, did there ever exist an edition of KR in that colour 
scheme, or is gcc to blame for the inaccuracy?

Re: [9fans] Wildly off-topic

[Andrew Simmons]

Thanks, but it seems as if that web page is for the 2nd edition. I have two 
copies of this, one of which is much thicker than the other, despite having the 
same number of pages, but that’s a different wildly off-topic topic. I used to 
have a copy of the 1st edition, and I’m sure that the background colour was 
white. Did there ever exist a version with a blue cover?

Also, I think that “It’s a fair cop, but gcc is to blame” should be an adequate 
defence in any court of law.


 On Jun 16, 2015, at 11:13 am, s...@9front.org wrote:
 
 So my question is, did there ever exist an edition of KR in that
 colour scheme, or is gcc to blame for the inaccuracy?
 
 The old web page for the book had a nice collection of covers from
 around the world:
 
   http://9p.io/cm/cs/cbook/index.html
 
 sl
 

Re: [9fans] iwp9-bondi

[Andrew Simmons]

 my father danced with his great aunt.


OK, so I'm too old and senile and stupid to work out what a great aunt
is, although I'm pretty sure it's not the same as a third cousin twice
removed. Couldn't you just tell us her name?

[9fans] New book (Not entirely OT)

[Andrew Simmons]

It's probably a bit hypocriticalist of me to post anything off-topic
at this point, but why break the habits of a lifetime?

Some people here might enjoy a new book from Apress called Coders at
Work. It consists of interviews with people including Ken Thompson,
Don Knuth, and Jamie Zawinski (key quote from the latter: C++ is just
an abomination. Everything is wrong with it in every way.)

Re: [9fans] clarification needed

[Andrew Simmons]

 by the way, which one's kumar?

Kumar is the one with nice pubes.

Re: [9fans] clarification needed

[Andrew Simmons]

 but, like so many other things plan9, i didn't. so i posted to 9fans.

Evelyn Waugh wrote about a senile itch to write to The Times.
Perhaps posting to 9fans is a modern equivalent, at least for people
of my generation.

Re: [9fans] Web interface to '/n/sources/contrib' gone??

[Andrew Simmons]

Personally, I use Mac OSX because I'm thick, but regardless of that,
Pietro et al are quite right. Erik correctly said that if you try to
access http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/
it works fine. However, if you try to follow the link  browse the
source, you, or at least I, get the following:

Object not found

The object /plan9/sys/src/ does not exist on this server.

errstr: '/bin/ip/httpd/sources' does not exist
uri host:
header host:
actual host: plan9.bell-labs.com

It's been this way for a couple of weeks. As it stands, at least for
some people, web access to sources using a browser is not working. No
need to shoot the messengers.

2009/2/10 Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com

 9fs not good enough for you? what operating system are you using?

 brucee

 On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Nicola Gagliardi pietr...@mac.com wrote:
  I'm talking about the web interface to /n/sources/contrib, which is 
  http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/. That has been down for two 
  weeks.
 
  On Monday, February 09, 2009, at 08:08AM, Bruce Ellis 
  bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote:
 I will not comment - I've been asked to leave 95% boy alone. Certainly
 works from Brazil. I downloaded a CD image just last night.
 
 brucee
 
 On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:52 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net 
 wrote:
  This is my only concern over the whole sources is gone thing; this
  time the web interface has been down for longer than usual (two weeks,
  maybe more?).
 
  not true.  i just tried it an http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/
  comes up instantly.  perhaps your machine is on the fritz?
 
  - erik
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [9fans] An Observation

[Andrew Simmons]

2008/11/15 Eric Van Hensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 There are those that say too many cooks spoil the broth.


This has been bothering me ever since I was a lad (which I'm pretty
sure was well before Ron was born. (Nurse!  Turn me over!!  Time for
my medication!!!)

On the one hand, Too many cooks spoil the broth. On the other hand,
Many hands make light work.

So which is it?

Re: [9fans] mmap

[Andrew Simmons]

I don't want to imply that Ron is quite such an old fart as me, but
somehow I don't get the impression that he was a kid in 1981, when
Time Bandits came out. Ron, if you could give some clue as to when
you saw the movie, I'm pretty sure that the group could mount a
co-ordinated effort to identify it.

2008/11/4 Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 * ron minnich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wish I could remember. It had the usual guys in silvery suits. They
 walk through a frame and are back in time. Key point was, at the end,
 that they ended up escaping but for reasons unknown, walking back
 through the frame -- bad idea.

 Time bandits ?


 cu
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